First let me say this, I like Eddie Lack, good team player. That said, I don't think he's proven in his 55 NHL games that he's a legit starter in the National Hockey League. So I disagree with Botch.

First let me say this, I like Eddie Lack, good team player. That said, I don't think he's proven in his 55 NHL games that he's a legit starter in the National Hockey League. So I disagree with Botch.
- LeftCoaster

I didn't agree with a whole lot of what Botch had to say
Don't see how scratching Kassian after a good game for him makes sense as "lighting a fire under his ass" or serves to raise his trade value? I also highly doubt that Benning was shopping him at cut rate prices

First let me say this, I like Eddie Lack, good team player. That said, I don't think he's proven in his 55 NHL games that he's a legit starter in the National Hockey League. So I disagree with Botch.
- LeftCoaster

I truly believe he only got so many starts under Torts because Luongo fell out of favor with him and management. I think we need to bring up Markstrom for a few games and give Eddie a conditioning stint if that is possible. He needs more game time and he isn't going to get it with Miller around.

I truly believe he only got so many starts under Torts because Luongo fell out of favor with him and management. I think we need to bring up Markstrom for a few games and give Eddie a conditioning stint if that is possible. He needs more game time and he isn't going to get it with Miller around.
- thundachunk

IMO Lack hasn't deserved it…they obviously feel they have a better chance to win with Miller in net…and I tend to agree with that.

I know Miller has had some soft goals this year, but he's had a lot of starts, bound to happen. Lack lets in a bad one almost every game and he's only played in 11 games.

I didn't agree with a whole lot of what Botch had to say
Don't see how scratching Kassian after a good game for him makes sense as "lighting a fire under his ass" or serves to raise his trade value? I also highly doubt that Benning was shopping him at cut rate prices
- bezz44

Botch seemed really off guard when asked what he was hearing trade wise.... he was definitely talking out his ass as usual.

IMO Lack hasn't deserved it…they obviously feel they have a better chance to win with Miller in net…and I tend to agree with that.

I know Miller has had some soft goals this year, but he's had a lot of starts, bound to happen. Lack lets in a bad one almost every game and he's only played in 11 games.
- LeftCoaster

And most nights loses 1-0 or 2-1

Botch seemed really off guard when asked what he was hearing trade wise.... he was definitely talking out his ass as usual.
- Mungo

Yea I didn't even bother listening too closely. Rang particularly hollow against what Lefty says Bob Mac said on 1040 about the Canucks not being very active right now

And most nights loses 1-0 or 2-1
- VANTEL

The Canucks definitely don't have the run support to allow bad goals.

The Canucks definitely don't have the run support to allow any goals.
- LeftCoaster

Fixed.

The Canucks definitely don't have the run support to allow bad goals.
- LeftCoaster

Very true. Don't have the mental ability to come back from down 1-0 or 2-0 anymore either. If we don't get the first goal...we are pretty muched hooped.

Lack first off the ice so he's starting.

WD just said Kassian scratched again tonight

WD just said Kassian scratched again tonight
- LeftCoaster

and we're playing one of the more physical teams in the NHL.... makes sense

WD just said Kassian scratched again tonight
- LeftCoaster

Why chance injury?

Why chance injury?
- VANTEL

Making room for Ryan Malone.

Why chance injury?
- VANTEL

Playing Ronalds Kenins instead.

I saw that…but…you've gotta have patience with kids in you're system. How many times do teams give up too early on kids that later become good NHL players. What's the harm in having patience with him?

He's played 180 games thus far in the league, it's been said it takes around 200 games to see what you've got in a player, give him a top six role and see what he does with it.
- LeftCoaster

With how weak our top six is, I think that if Kassian showed even minimal improvement or defensive awareness he would have gotten a shot by now because I agree that whatever promise he has shown he has shown in that role. But he just doesn't seem to have it between the ears.

You worry about trading him while his value is low and then seeing him figure it out with another team, particularly since the Canucks have a bad habit of doing that and right now we can't afford to give away skill, or size. My fear of that happening would be my only reason for holding on to Kassian though, because I don't think that he will become that player, and right now he's just taking up a roster spot... Sometimes.

With how weak our top six is, I think that if Kassian showed even minimal improvement or defensive awareness he would have gotten a shot by now because I agree that whatever promise he has shown he has shown in that role. But he just doesn't seem to have it between the ears.

You worry about trading him while his value is low and then seeing him figure it out with another team, particularly since the Canucks have a bad habit of doing that and right now we can't afford to give away skill, or size. My fear of that happening would be my only reason for holding on to Kassian though, because I don't think that he will become that player, and right now he's just taking up a roster spot... Sometimes.
- CubanBuffet

Other than Neeley, what other examples do you have of Vancouver trading someone who meets or exceeds expectations elsewhere?

Yea I didn't even bother listening too closely. Rang particularly hollow against what Lefty says Bob Mac said on 1040 about the Canucks not being very active right now
- bezz44

Pleasure doing business with you

Other than Neeley, what other examples do you have of Vancouver trading someone who meets or exceeds expectations elsewhere?
- Marwood

Not recent but - Rick Vaive and Petr Nedved


Edit: but you can do that with most teams

Other than Neeley, what other examples do you have of Vancouver trading someone who meets or exceeds expectations elsewhere?
- Marwood

Grabner, without even having to think about it.

You could also argue Kesler and Luongo. Yeah they wanted out, but those are two assets playing good hockey that we did not get fair value for. Add Schnieder to the list. We've given away too many good players in the recent past and don't have a ton to show for it.

Not recent but - Rick Vaive and Petr Nedved
- LeftCoaster

Sorry, I meant in the last 30 years.

Nedved asked to be traded.

Not recent but - Rick Vaive and Petr Nedved


Edit: but you can do that with most teams
- LeftCoaster

Mike Peca

Grabner, without even having to think about it.

You could also argue Kesler and Luongo. Yeah they wanted out, but those are two assets playing good hockey that we did not get fair value for.
- CubanBuffet

Grabner? Really?
Waived by another team to go on and have 1 relatively successful season and then engage his cloaking device and completely disappear. Does he even play in the NHL anymore?

Mike Peca
- PetrolSexual

Mike Peca for Mogilny?