I wouldn't mind seeing a trade in the likes of Jagr for a 3rd(2nd if we make 2nd round of playoffs). He still has speed and skill at his age, seems to make his other line mates better when they play with him and could replace Daniel on 1st pp to help spark it. I know JB doesn't really want to get rid of picks but Jagr wouldn't be a bad idea for a late one.
- Retinalz

Getting older is exactly what the Canucks need!

NEXT!!!!!

Just looked at guys that are coming out of their entry level contract that will be in Clendening's situation would be:

N. Beaulieu
Grigorenko
D. Shore
Tinordi
Howden
Namestinikov
Pulkkinen

I think all those guys would require passing through waivers in order to be sent down even if they sign two-way deals next year.

N. Beauleiu, Tinordi, Pulkkien would be great trade targets. I think Buffalo makes room for Grigorenko next year
- Mungo

Brian Dumoulin, Etem, Spooner, Knight, Petrovic also possible targets.

Teemu Pulkkinen has 48pts in 38 games in the AHL..... referred to as the Finnish Brett Hull.

that's the guy i would go after. his right handed shot on the PP would help big time

I wouldn't mind seeing a trade in the likes of Jagr for a 3rd(2nd if we make 2nd round of playoffs). He still has speed and skill at his age, seems to make his other line mates better when they play with him and could replace Daniel on 1st pp to help spark it. I know JB doesn't really want to get rid of picks but Jagr wouldn't be a bad idea for a late one.
- Retinalz

Just looked at guys that are coming out of their entry level contract that will be in Clendening's situation would be:

N. Beaulieu
Grigorenko
D. Shore
Tinordi
Howden
Namestinikov
Pulkkinen

I think all those guys would require passing through waivers in order to be sent down even if they sign two-way deals next year.

N. Beauleiu, Tinordi, Pulkkien would be great trade targets. I think Buffalo makes room for Grigorenko next year
- Mungo

Remember the Tinordi for Bieksa rumors after Gillis missed him in the draft? That rumor had a lot of traction and Bieksa was in the face of the media when the TDL passed. ...and I quote "I'm still here".

If it were true, we would have lost Bieksa in his prime in that deal and for what?

I wouldn't mind seeing a trade in the likes of Jagr for a 3rd(2nd if we make 2nd round of playoffs). He still has speed and skill at his age, seems to make his other line mates better when they play with him and could replace Daniel on 1st pp to help spark it. I know JB doesn't really want to get rid of picks but Jagr wouldn't be a bad idea for a late one.
- Retinalz

Getting Jagr for a 3rd or a 2nd.....never going to happen, 29 teams make that trade if that was the asking price.

Not sure if I can agree with most of his moves being solid.

He might of had his hands tied on the Kesler trade but I don't think the return can been seen as solid at this point. Bonino needs to be a bigger contributor for this deal to be seen as a success.

Dorsett deal was solid, a 3rd round pick is good value for what he brings.

The Vey deal might be okay but at this point he hasn't been able to contribute enough either. Garrison while disappointing last year still led this team from scoring on the back end 33 points isn't amazing but it looks like Edler ( our best offensive dman) won't crack 30.

I like the Pedan deal, that was really good asset mgmt, in moving a useless guy in Mallet, but he still moved a 3rd for a questionable prospect.

Clendening for Forsling could be good but Clendening needs to have an impact this season for it to be considered a solid move. If Clendening doesn't stick or doesn't produce, Benning has thrown away another prospect for a gamble.
- belcherbd

I am guessing Garrison was moved because he was willing to waive his ntc and Bieksa wasn't. Too many ntc's on defense and on the whole. I had no problem with Garrison's play. They needed to move salary too.

Bonino still needs better line mates- as has been the case with our 2nd line for too many seasons. Another complimentary player on a Canucks roster full of complimentary players.

Not sure if I can agree with most of his moves being solid.

He might of had his hands tied on the Kesler trade but I don't think the return can been seen as solid at this point. Bonino needs to be a bigger contributor for this deal to be seen as a success.

Dorsett deal was solid, a 3rd round pick is good value for what he brings.

The Vey deal might be okay but at this point he hasn't been able to contribute enough either. Garrison while disappointing last year still led this team from scoring on the back end 33 points isn't amazing but it looks like Edler ( our best offensive dman) won't crack 30.

I like the Pedan deal, that was really good asset mgmt, in moving a useless guy in Mallet, but he still moved a 3rd for a questionable prospect.

Clendening for Forsling could be good but Clendening needs to have an impact this season for it to be considered a solid move. If Clendening doesn't stick or doesn't produce, Benning has thrown away another prospect for a gamble.
- belcherbd

We agree to disagree. First of all only one team was offered by Kes . It was not Kesfor Bonino. It was Kesler for Bonino Sbisa MCCann and Dorsett. I would like to see any GM do better with his hands tied, that has to remove a POS from the dressing room.

Secondly Vey is surrounded by two turds for linemates. That is a lot to ask for a kid.

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Not sure if I can agree with most of his moves being solid.

He might of had his hands tied on the Kesler trade but I don't think the return can been seen as solid at this point. Bonino needs to be a bigger contributor for this deal to be seen as a success.

Dorsett deal was solid, a 3rd round pick is good value for what he brings.

The Vey deal might be okay but at this point he hasn't been able to contribute enough either. Garrison while disappointing last year still led this team from scoring on the back end 33 points isn't amazing but it looks like Edler ( our best offensive dman) won't crack 30.

I like the Pedan deal, that was really good asset mgmt, in moving a useless guy in Mallet, but he still moved a 3rd for a questionable prospect.

Clendening for Forsling could be good but Clendening needs to have an impact this season for it to be considered a solid move. If Clendening doesn't stick or doesn't produce, Benning has thrown away another prospect for a gamble.
- belcherbd

The Ducks deal was the only deal so how can there be any judgement passed on that unless it's judgement on Gillis who had more options the season before Kesler narrowed it down to the Ducks only?

Vey is a rookie who contributes. Just how much impact does he have to have in his rookie season to justify the cap dump? We need to wait to judge a move for a rookie player, don't we?

Same with the Clendening deal. He's a rookie.... we have to be patient past this season to judge and seeing what we gave up will take even longer. I don't understand how all this youth brought in has to prove itself this year to judge Benning?

We agree to disagree. First of all only one team was offered by Kes . It was not Kesfor Bonino. It was Kesler for Bonino Sbisa MCCann and Dorsett. I would like to see any GM do better with his hands tied, that has to remove a POS from the dressing room.

Secondly Vey is surrounded by two turds for linemates. That is a lot to ask for a kid.
- VANTEL

I'm not saying the return for Kesler was just Bonino, I really like the McCann pick, but at this point it is looking like a late 1st, a 4th liner, a middle 6 forward and a salary dump for arguably the best player available via trade.

Vey has had lots of chances to play with skilled guys, where he has scored....unfortunately he isn't good (big) enough yet to be an NHL regular but the Canucks are forced to play him because they don't have an option to send him down. I like Vey as well and he likely will get better and be an NHL player but I don't think trading him for Garrison is good value.

I'm not saying the return for Kesler was just Bonino, I really like the McCann pick, but at this point it is looking like a late 1st, a 4th liner, a middle 6 forward and a salary dump for arguably the best player available via trade.

Vey has had lots of chances to play with skilled guys, where he has scored....unfortunately he isn't good (big) enough yet to be an NHL regular but the Canucks are forced to play him because they don't have an option to send him down. I like Vey as well and he likely will get better and be an NHL player but I don't think trading him for Garrison is good value.
- belcherbd

I'm confused by this statement.
When has he played with the Sedins?

I'm not saying the return for Kesler was just Bonino, I really like the McCann pick, but at this point it is looking like a late 1st, a 4th liner, a middle 6 forward and a salary dump for arguably the best player available via trade.

Vey has had lots of chances to play with skilled guys, where he has scored....unfortunately he isn't good (big) enough yet to be an NHL regular but the Canucks are forced to play him because they don't have an option to send him down. I like Vey as well and he likely will get better and be an NHL player but I don't think trading him for Garrison is good value.
- belcherbd

I believe they had a Garrison-Berglund swap in place but Garrison refuse to waive, then he was asked again and waived for TB. And they used that money that freed up to sign Vrbata/Miller(otherwise they could only afford one). So to me, it's more than just Garrison for Vey because cap space has value(if used).

But I agree that Garrison would likely hold more value now, the price for a d-man is sky high.

I'm confused by this statement.
When has he played with the Sedins?
- Marwood

on the number 1 PP.... but people female doged about it since he was essentially the new guy and a rookie and he was getting looks on the #1 PP before some vets.

I don't get that argument since he was actually producing!!!

I'm confused by this statement.
When has he played with the Sedins?
- Marwood

PP#1 to start the year. Vey's still definitely a work in progress.

I wouldn't mind seeing a trade in the likes of Jagr for a 3rd(2nd if we make 2nd round of playoffs). He still has speed and skill at his age, seems to make his other line mates better when they play with him and could replace Daniel on 1st pp to help spark it. I know JB doesn't really want to get rid of picks but Jagr wouldn't be a bad idea for a late one.
- Retinalz

I'm sorry...

I'm confused by this statement.
When has he played with the Sedins?
- Marwood

exactly... and not meaning to gang up on belcher, but it is unfair to say the best player available via trade, when he only gave one team he was willing to waive his ntc to be traded there....

That first round pick that turned into McCann might end up being the best part of the trade. Turning lemons into lemonade.

The Ducks deal was the only deal so how can there be any judgement passed on that unless it's judgement on Gillis who had more options the season before Kesler narrowed it down to the Ducks only?

Vey is a rookie who contributes. Just how much impact does he have to have in his rookie season to justify the cap dump? We need to wait to judge a move for a rookie player, don't we?

Same with the Clendening deal. He's a rookie.... we have to be patient past this season to judge and seeing what we gave up will take even longer. I don't understand how all this youth brought in has to prove itself this year to judge Benning?
- boonerbuck

I agree Kesler likely did make it hard to facilitate a trade, but that doesn't mean that Benning got a solid return.

Vey does contribute but not at the same level as Garrison would IMO.

Clendening is a rookie but at 22 and waiver eligible and a soon to be RFA, needs to be a player in the NHL for him to be worth moving a player with the same skill set but with 4 more years of development ahead of him.

People complain about Gillis trying to "outsmart" other GM's by drafting overagers who might be more NHL ready but I see Benning taking the same approach with acquiring guys who are further developed at the expense of picks.

PP#1 to start the year. Vey's still definitely a work in progress.
- Nucker101

I might be splitting hairs but I wouldn't call that 'lots of chances to play with skilled players'.
Anyway, the bottom line is that there is still no 2nd line..................at all.

PP#1 to start the year. Vey's still definitely a work in progress.
- Nucker101

That pp is a work in progress. Vey did put up points when he was on there at the start and then overall pp production ceased.

That pp is a work in progress. Vey did put up points when he was on there at the start and then overall pp production ceased.
- hillbillydeluxe

I keep finding myself wanting to change up the 1st unit then I look at the numbers and see that they're actually producing pretty decently compared to other PP units around the league.

Our 2nd unit is almost historically bad at this point and costing this team wins. I believe I read somewhere that they're producing goals at a lower rate per 60 minutes on the PP than the Canucks do at 5v5 as a team.

PP#1 to start the year. Vey's still definitely a work in progress.
- Nucker101

I don't get it. Everyone wants this team to get younger, but are disappointed when the young kids aren't all stars from the get go. If you want to get younger you're going to have to live with some mistakes.

I keep finding myself wanting to change up the 1st unit then I look at the numbers and see that they're actually producing pretty decently compared to other PP units around the league.

Our 2nd unit is almost historically bad at this point and costing this team wins. I believe I read somewhere that they're producing goals at a lower rate per 60 minutes on the PP than the Canucks do at 5v5 as a team.
- Nucker101

I did not know that...

Valk was saying Daniel should be moved to the 2nd unit pp as he is looked at as another set up man on the first unit - he isn't shooting.

We really need the addition of a top 6 winger with some finish. It is just so disappointing that Daniel doesn't even look like he wants, for the majority of time, to shoot anymore.

I might be splitting hairs but I wouldn't call that 'lots of chances to play with skilled players'.
Anyway, the bottom line is that there is still no 2nd line..................at all.
- Marwood

Fair enough maybe that isn't considered lots of chances but he hasn't only been saddled with turds for line mates as was suggested. Only the Sedins and Vrbata have seen more PP ice time.

I don't get it. Everyone wants this team to get younger, but are disappointed when the young kids aren't all stars from the get go. If you want to get younger you're going to have to live with some mistakes.
- CubanBuffet

I didn't have a problem with it, but that unit had no net presence so they started to cool down. Almost every top PP unit always includes having traffic in front of the net.

This is why I can't believe Bo Horvat isn't at least on the 2nd unit, he's one of the more willing players on the team to go to the net and pretty big/strong so he won't be easily moved. At this point the 2nd unit is such a availability that WD should basically use it as a reward by giving playing time for any Canuck having a good night, regardless if it's Bo Horvat, Chris Higgins or Brad Richardson. Clearly their practice and "system" isn't working so just throw out whoever is playing well and let them do whatever they want. Either that or do what AV used to do and just give the first unit 90-100 seconds on the PP since the 2nd unit isn't a threat to score.