Disagree with the majority of this post. The KeSler trade is what it is. There was only one suitor and he did well given the circumstances.
The garrison trade wasn't just about Vey for Garrison. Benning used that salary to aquire important free agents. He also dumped a bad contract with a NTC

I think all in all you are overstating the value of a 3rd round pick. The likely hood that the prospect has an NHL career is very low. I'd be surprised if Pedan doesn't become an NHL regular within 2 years. That's a win.
Same thing with the Forsling trade. We acquired a young, cheap and controllable asset for an extreme wild card. Chances forsling plays an NHL shift? My guess would be 20%.

Very pleased with what JB has acheived so far given the inflexibility of our current roster.
- CanuckDon

Wait so Benning gets credit for moving a so called bad contract with NTC (I think garrison is being paid in line with top 4 D, which he is) only to replace it with an equally or IMO a worse contract with a NTC in Miller? Next season if we move Miller for a 3rd will that be seen as good asset mgmt as well?

Both Pedan and Forsling are a long ways away from the NHL but at least Forsling is 18 and can still significantly develop, Pedan needs to turn some corners soon for him to be a realistic option moving forward.

Clendening hopefully is ready or close to it, he doesn't have years of development left for him as well. Benning has gambled that the older more developed player will be more likely to succeed in the NHL.....doesn't that sound like some other GM.

What was the proposed Chi deal again? TT and Shaw or something ?

Yes I would describe the trade exactly as " It is what it is".
- belcherbd

Don't think they even had TT in it.... I think that is what Van wanted.

Wait so Benning gets credit for moving a so called bad contract with NTC (I think garrison is being paid in line with top 4 D, which he is) only to replace it with an equally or IMO a worse contract with a NTC in Miller? Next season if we move Miller for a 3rd will that be seen as good asset mgmt as well?

Both Pedan and Forsling are a long ways away from the NHL but at least Forsling is 18 and can still significantly develop, Pedan needs to turn some corners soon for him to be a realistic option moving forward.

Clendening hopefully is ready or close to it, he doesn't have years of development left for him as well. Benning has gambled that the older more developed player will be more likely to succeed in the NHL.....doesn't that sound like some other GM.
- belcherbd

Miller's contract isn't that bad, sure its high AAV but term is decent. Its insurance and stability to a position that was decimated. Going into a season with two relatively inexperienced goaltenders doesn't pay off (see Dubnyk for Edmonton, Islanders Poulin-Nilsson past couple seasons). Successful starters have veteran goalies to help mentor them, (see early days for Rask, Varlamov, Schneider) and Lack/Markstrom need to be brought along at that pace before taking the reigns

Wait so Benning gets credit for moving a so called bad contract with NTC (I think garrison is being paid in line with top 4 D, which he is) only to replace it with an equally or IMO a worse contract with a NTC in Miller? Next season if we move Miller for a 3rd will that be seen as good asset mgmt as well?

Both Pedan and Forsling are a long ways away from the NHL but at least Forsling is 18 and can still significantly develop, Pedan needs to turn some corners soon for him to be a realistic option moving forward.

Clendening hopefully is ready or close to it, he doesn't have years of development left for him as well. Benning has gambled that the older more developed player will be more likely to succeed in the NHL.....doesn't that sound like some other GM.
- belcherbd

Forsling will be lucky if he makes it to the NHL. The kid had one good tournament and racked up points vs some pretty poopy teams. He hasn't shown anything in the Swedish elite league to show that he's a legit prospect. Benning sold high on him

Forsling will be lucky if he makes it to the AHL. The kid had one good tournament and racked up points vs some pretty poopy teams. He hasn't shown anything in the Swedish elite league to show that he's a legit prospect. Benning sold high on him
- Mungo

Fixed.

Wait so Benning gets credit for moving a so called bad contract with NTC (I think garrison is being paid in line with top 4 D, which he is) only to replace it with an equally or IMO a worse contract with a NTC in Miller? Next season if we move Miller for a 3rd will that be seen as good asset mgmt as well?

Both Pedan and Forsling are a long ways away from the NHL but at least Forsling is 18 and can still significantly develop, Pedan needs to turn some corners soon for him to be a realistic option moving forward.

Clendening hopefully is ready or close to it, he doesn't have years of development left for him as well. Benning has gambled that the older more developed player will be more likely to succeed in the NHL.....doesn't that sound like some other GM.
- belcherbd

You are giving too much credit to the average 5th round pick which in all probability = no NHL games played. We got a guy who at worst can be a role player PP specialist which is a good case scenario for a guy like Forsling. Garrison trade I agree I thought it was not fair value and Pedan I thought probably could've/should've been had for a 4th. The Pedan trade IMO is much more similar to the Dalpe trade whereas I can't see any flaws in the Clendening trade as of today

Man, posters on Carols blog have been getting extra heated over the last week.

Why you heff to be mad...

Man, posters on Carols blog have been getting extra heated over the last week.

Why you heff to be mad...
- vancity787

Honestly, the best discussions happen here when people really get into it. Much better than the usual "let's trade for another team's good young player for our spare parts!" or "let's trade everyone with a NTC somehow and still get good value back!"

Forsling will be lucky if he makes it to the NHL. The kid had one good tournament and racked up points vs some pretty poopy teams. He hasn't shown anything in the Swedish elite league to show that he's a legit prospect. Benning sold high on him
- Mungo

I agree Forsling is a long shot and likely never plays in the NHL but Clendening is far from a sure thing himself. The difference is that Forsling has ~ 6 more years to learn his trade and get to the next level, Clendening has only a couple and is up for a contract this year. If he can't crack the nucks, does he get resigned? Is he willing to sign a 2way contract? He either needs to be in the NHL or be exempt for waivers for this to be a success.

Wait so Benning gets credit for moving a so called bad contract with NTC (I think garrison is being paid in line with top 4 D, which he is) only to replace it with an equally or IMO a worse contract with a NTC in Miller? Next season if we move Miller for a 3rd will that be seen as good asset mgmt as well?

Both Pedan and Forsling are a long ways away from the NHL but at least Forsling is 18 and can still significantly develop, Pedan needs to turn some corners soon for him to be a realistic option moving forward.

Clendening hopefully is ready or close to it, he doesn't have years of development left for him as well. Benning has gambled that the older more developed player will be more likely to succeed in the NHL.....doesn't that sound like some other GM.
- belcherbd

Miller can be traded after one season and has a partial no trade. I believe it was a list of 10 teams but I'm not entirely sure. Garrison had a full not trade. I also don't believe he is top 4. He is lousy skater with a damaged groin.

Pedan is could contribute in the NHL as soon as next season. When will your 2015 3rd rounder contribute? 4 seasons if ever?
Clendenning is high 2nd round pick (36th overall) and appears ready now. forsling will be lucky to have an AHL career. These moves don't resemble gillis in the slightest. Benning is trading for high pedigree young players that have a higher likelyhood of success as they are a more proven commodity. Gillis was drafting overagers that went undrafted. I see what you are saying but it's not the same philosophy

You are giving too much credit to the average 5th round pick which in all probability = no NHL games played. We got a guy who at worst can be a role player PP specialist which is a good case scenario for a guy like Forsling. Garrison trade I agree I thought it was not fair value and Pedan I thought probably could've/should've been had for a 4th. The Pedan trade IMO is much more similar to the Dalpe trade whereas I can't see any flaws in the Clendening trade as of today
- bezz44

I guess I see worst case scenario, Clendening isn't good enough for the NHL, I don't see him a a guarantee to be a #6 PP guy. I don't necessarily see it as a bad trade but do think its a risky one and would prefer to wait and see how Clendening does before calling it a win.

Honestly, the best discussions happen here when people really get into it. Much better than the usual "let's trade for another team's good young player for our spare parts!" or "let's trade everyone with a NTC somehow and still get good value back!"
- Nucker101

It's been good reading today. The xbox trade proposals make my head explode.
Well debated with zero d!ck-wagging.


Many thanks to the folks posting the Comet game summaries with the added colour commentary!! Nicely done ,folks!!

I guess I see worst case scenario, Clendening isn't good enough for the NHL, I don't see him a a guarantee to be a #6 PP guy. I don't necessarily see it as a bad trade but do think its a risky one and would prefer to wait and see how Clendening does before calling it a win.
- belcherbd

Damn dude, he has played one game

Man, posters on Carols blog have been getting extra heated over the last week.

Why you heff to be mad...
- vancity787

Don't think anybody is mad and if they are it's because they are wrong

Damn dude, he has played one game
- Whiskey-Tango

Damn dude read the whole sentence..... although I didn't punctuate it very well.

Damn dude read the whole sentence..... although I didn't punctuate it very well.
- belcherbd

Ok.

I guess I see worst case scenario, Clendening isn't good enough for the NHL, I don't see him a a guarantee to be a #6 PP guy. I don't necessarily see it as a bad trade but do think its a risky one and would prefer to wait and see how Clendening does before calling it a win?

You see the worst case scenario (you are a pessimist, among others). You already believe Clendening is at best a number 6 PP specialist ( he has instantly become our best D prospect, blowing our best forwards out of the water in points at the AHL level). You lack the moral fortitude to label a trade a win or lose at the onset, thus waiting for the benefit of hindsight to bless us with your insight.

Dp

Ok.

I guess I see worst case scenario, Clendening isn't good enough for the NHL, I don't see him a a guarantee to be a #6 PP guy. I don't necessarily see it as a bad trade but do think its a risky one and would prefer to wait and see how Clendening does before calling it a win?

You see the worst case scenario (you are a pessimist, among others). You already believe Clendening is at best a number 6 PP specialist ( he has instantly become our best D prospect, blowing our best forwards out of the water in points at the AHL level). You lack the moral fortitude to label a trade a win or lose at the onset, thus waiting for the benefit of hindsight to bless us with your insight.
- Whiskey-Tango

My apologies for probably rehashing some of what has been said (after the Super Bowl gong show, I couldn't take watching anymore and tried to find the highest cliff - fortunately I was talked down by a sympathetic bilingual moose who actually had money on the game (Seattle).

I just wanted to get a very quick poll so please kindly bear with me. The question :

Was that the most blatantly ugly sports mistake ever made - not only on the gridiron - but with respect to all sports?

I confess I'm not a huge football fan but I love the playoffs and the drama - and even don't mind the spectacle that is the Super Bowl. However, I don't think I've ever in my life seen a situation even remotely similar to what happened yesterday. It's just completely unfathomable.

In any event, I don't want to dwell but just wanted to get your brief comment or even a yay/nay on my question. Danke.

I guess I see worst case scenario, Clendening isn't good enough for the NHL, I don't see him a a guarantee to be a #6 PP guy. I don't necessarily see it as a bad trade but do think its a risky one and would prefer to wait and see how Clendening does before calling it a win.
- belcherbd

At the very least then, he is an effective AHL guy, which Forsling may never even become. As far as I'm concerned, we got a guy whose development has gone quite well up to this season and has a good chance of being an NHL regular already, for a prospect who is an absolute question mark. To me that is a sound strategy, and a much better way of inserting youth than to pray that your 4-7 round picks will land you the next Lidstrom by sheer luck

Honestly, the best discussions happen here when people really get into it. Much better than the usual "let's trade for another team's good young player for our spare parts!" or "let's trade everyone with a NTC somehow and still get good value back!"
- Nucker101

This x infinity

Miller can be traded after one season and has a partial no trade. I believe it was a list of 10 teams but I'm not entirely sure. Garrison had a full not trade. I also don't believe he is top 4. He is lousy skater with a damaged groin.

Pedan is could contribute in the NHL as soon as next season. When will your 2015 3rd rounder contribute? 4 seasons if ever?
Clendenning is high 2nd round pick (36th overall) and appears ready now. forsling will be lucky to have an AHL career. These moves don't resemble gillis in the slightest. Benning is trading for high pedigree young players that have a higher likelyhood of success as they are a more proven commodity. Gillis was drafting overagers that went undrafted. I see what you are saying but it's not the same philosophy
- CanuckDon

Jesus Christ guys. Pracitixally everybody on this board was raving about Forsling 3 weeks ago. Now he won't make it at all?

Man, posters on Carols blog have been getting extra heated over the last week.

Why you heff to be mad...
- vancity787

Love it...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

By the by Benning has done a damn admirable job so far with the mess he was left to work with.

Jesus Christ guys. Pracitixally everybody on this board was raving about Forsling 3 weeks ago. Now he won't make it at all?
- Bieksa#3

I like Forsling, he seems like a steal as a 5th round pick. With that said, he is still an 18 year old undersized kid that is a long shot to make the NHL. I don't think anybody soured on the kid...people are just in favour of turning an unknown prospect into a kid that may be able to play now.

I like Forsling, he seems like a steal as a 5th round pick. With that said, he is still an 18 year old undersized kid that is a long shot to make the NHL. I don't think anybody soured on the kid...people are just in favour of turning an unknown prospect into a kid that may be able to play now.
- CanuckDon

Nice post. I still like Forsling but I think Clendening is a similar player but is further along in development and has a much higher floor as a result