The myers stuff is beyond old. I used to think it was fun looking to see what other teams fans think of our better players, but the myers rumors all look the same on their end "we'll give you our 5th best prospect (who is 5'7" and not a strong skater), a second rounder in 2016, and one gently used condom". Im sick of hearing his name. And why the fcuk is it always a second rounder?
- rover16

Roughly used condoms have a tendency to break.

I think Moulson would play on their top 2, he has demonstrated throughout his career that when he is surrounded by good players he puts the puck in the net on a regular basis.
- BigStew

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Top pairing defenseman are harder to get than top scoring wingers. They are more valued to the core of the team than wingers are. Sorry, but Hall is not on my list right now, and if Im going after Hall, Im not giving up 2015 1st, Reinhart, Girgensons, Myers, Risto, Zads. Thats the core of my new team.

How many scoring wingers have been traded or signed in FA over the last 10 years compared to top pairing defenseman and centers?

Kessel, Hossa, Iginla, Kovalchuk, Voracek, Ryan, Neal, Nash, Gaborik, Heatley.... you dont build around scoring wingers. Not absolute to the success of winning the cup.
- theblueandgold

Problem is Myers isn't a top pairing defenseman on a decent team

You talk down to people and your statement you just made " I'm 100% confident that I know more than them" tells me everything I need to know. you keep going and going to make sure you are right all the time.

You talk down to people here not with them and you wonder why the problems start. your knowledge is overwhelming, that's why you are on Hockey Buzz.
- SABRES 89

Its hard to be wrong when you refuse to argue something youre not sure on.

You need to lighten up. You dont have problems unless you disagree with someone. Its human nature. It'd be a boring place if we all shared the same opinions.

Would Matt Moulson or Zemgus Girgensons be a top 6 player on LA, St. Louis or Chicago? Honest question
- sbroads24

Would they be on one of the top two lines?
Different circumstances for each team
LA spreads their talent out among the top3 lines, so it's very possibly Moulson could be on the top line if he & Kopitar found chemistry.
If Girgensons plays center, he's the 3rd center on the depth chart of any of those teams... But to again use LA as an example, he might center Brown & Williams and I don't know that you'd call that a typical 3rd line
That's a line that would get a lot of minutes & be very tough to play against

What is it you're trying to actually ask here?

Problem is Myers isn't a top pairing defenseman on a decent team
- GilPerreault11

I'd love him as a #3.

Its hard to be wrong when you refuse to argue something youre not sure on.

You need to lighten up. You dont have problems unless you disagree with someone. Its human nature. It'd be a boring place if we all shared the same opinions.
- theblueandgold

Coming from a guy that says he is 100% smarter then people here that talk hockey but I have problems if I'm not right?? Have a good night.

Its hard to be wrong when you refuse to argue something youre not sure on.

You need to lighten up. You dont have problems unless you disagree with someone. Its human nature. It'd be a boring place if we all shared the same opinions.
- theblueandgold

Oh by the way this was all over the place earlier this season:

According to HNIC's Elliotte Friedman, the Sabres requested Anthony Mantha back from the Red Wings in a trade for Tyler Myers.

http://www.rotoworld.com/...ed-mantha-for-tyler-myers

Problem is Myers isn't a top pairing defenseman on a decent team
- GilPerreault11

How is he not? He'd be a worse D partner for Chara than Dougie Hamilton? He'd be such a terrible D partner playing with Doughty. He'd definitely be lower on the depth chart than Matt Green, Robyn Regher, Alec Martinez and Voynov...

Myers could be a top pairing defenseman on any team in this league. And hed thrive on the more talented teams.

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- sbroads24

STL couldn't score on a Thai hooker last year in the playoffs (or late in the year for that matter), I think he plays in STL, CHI might be tough depending on where they have Richards playing.

4-2 Canes lead the Ducks in the 3rd.

Coming from a guy that says he is 100% smarter then people here that talk hockey but I have problems if I'm not right?? Have a good night.
- SABRES 89

I dont know what problems you have. Youre the one talking about "problems starting" when "i talk down on people". I certainly dont have any problems on my end just because you disagree with me.

How is he not? He'd be a worse D partner for Chara than Dougie Hamilton? He'd be such a terrible D partner playing with Doughty. He'd definitely be lower on the depth chart than Matt Green, Robyn Regher, Alec Martinez and Voynov...

Myers could be a top pairing defenseman on any team in this league. And hed thrive on the more talented teams.
- theblueandgold

I doubt very much Boston trades Hamilton for Myers

Many of the others you listed are has beens (Regher) or strictly offense (Green) who is being rumored to be dealt at the deadline for a 2nd rounder or so. Not very stiff competition.

Sigh..
Mike Weber Off zone start % 46.
Tyler Myers off zone start % 36

Comp. Myers faces >>>>> Comp Weber faces

Also, stats are relative for this team. You do know Myers has almost double his point total right?
- sbroads24

Look,
What Irish (I think) was trying to say is that Myers should be producing more offensively
I agree
I don't think Myers is "bad"
But I do expect more, even on a bad team where he has a load of defensive assignments
For him to become the defenseman that a lot on here think is a "#1" then he's gonna have to do the defensive work AND produce offensively
Obv when we get more offensive talent that'll help,
But even now I believe his stats should be better

Like I've said many times, trading him would leave a BIG hole, so that's not something I'd do without a huge return

4-2 Canes lead the Ducks in the 3rd.
- Pierceme69

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I doubt very much Boston trades Hamilton for Myers

Many of the others you listed are has beens (Regher) or strictly offense (Green) who is being rumored to be dealt at the deadline for a 2nd rounder or so. Not very stiff competition.
- GilPerreault11

Boston wouldve never drafted Hamilton if they had Myers. Myers would be top pairing with Chara and theyd be the best shutdown pairing in the league.

I wasnt talking about Mike Green. I specifically named LA's defense and why Myers would be a top pairing D man with Doughty and it wouldnt even be close... Matt Greene, Regher, McNabb, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez... yeah. Myers would be top pair with Doughty.

I'd love him as a #3.
- Pierceme69

Sbroads points out how Myers takes on the toughest defensive responsibilities...
I'd imagine that if he were on our 2nd pair he'd be able to open his game up and use his offensive skill much more

Boston wouldve never drafted Hamilton if they had Myers. Myers would be top pairing with Chara and theyd be the best shutdown pairing in the league.

I wasnt talking about Mike Green. I specifically named LA's defense and why Myers would be a top pairing D man with Doughty and it wouldnt even be close... Matt Greene, Regher, McNabb, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez... yeah. Myers would be top pair with Doughty.
- theblueandgold

McNabb played with Doughty earlier this year, does that make him a #1 too? We can go around the league and place certain players on teams and say see, that make them a #1. Weber might even play with Doughty doesn't make him a #1?

Hey, God bless ya, you like Myers a lot and see him as a #1 defenseman. I haven't seen that ability and production so maybe he has it in him but in my opinion he doesn't.

Boston wouldve never drafted Hamilton if they had Myers. Myers would be top pairing with Chara and theyd be the best shutdown pairing in the league.

I wasnt talking about Mike Green. I specifically named LA's defense and why Myers would be a top pairing D man with Doughty and it wouldnt even be close... Matt Greene, Regher, McNabb, Muzzin, Voynov, Martinez... yeah. Myers would be top pair with Doughty.
- theblueandgold

One more thing. If Murray saw Myers as a sure fire #1 Dman I doubt he'd be taking calls for his services for over a year.

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- Pierceme69

At least they waited til ot

McNabb played with Doughty earlier this year, does that make him a #1 too? We can go around the league and place certain players on teams and say see, that make them a #1. Weber might even play with Doughty doesn't make him a #1?

Hey, God bless ya, you like Myers a lot and see him as a #1 defenseman. I haven't seen that ability and production so maybe he has it in him but in my opinion he doesn't.
- GilPerreault11

Now youre just building a straw man argument. Why didnt McNabb last on that pairing? Why is Myers playing the top pairing on this team? Why arent the kids? Why isnt Weber? Why not Meszaros?... Myers would be second fiddle to Doughty, Keith, Chara, Shea Weber, nobody including me is NOT arguing Myers would be the #1.... but hed certainly be a top pairing defenseman that could handle playing 25 minutes a night in all situations against tough competition. With more talented forwards, Myers strengths would be complimented. He would excel in Chicago, Boston, LA... Mike Weber, Brayden McNabb... no they wouldnt be able to hack it.

One more thing. If Murray saw Myers as a sure fire #1 Dman I doubt he'd be taking calls for his services for over a year.
- GilPerreault11

Theres a reason Murray has set the price high, and its not because he views Myers as a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Myers is not top on the list for GM Tim Murray to deal. He would rather try to get deals going on players that only have a year left in their contracts like Stafford or Stewart. Getting anything for those players is key. The Sabres made the mistake on letting players go for nothing with Daniel Briere and Chris Drury. Tyler Myers has plenty of years left on his contract. Holding onto him would be a good decision for a few reasons. First, this year is clearly a stay at the bottom of the league for the upcoming draft filled with talent, so Myers is not going to be playing his best. The team is suffering and so is his play. Myers' rookie year was great because of the team he was well seasoned and talented. His value will be down. Plain and simple. Second, the prospects/players that are being linked to a Myers trade aren't going anywhere. They will still be good prospects or players in a year or two.

All in all, Tyler Myers looks good in a Sabres jersey and I think he can return to a very solid top 2 defenseman. If he is traded this year or in the coming years, I hope the return on him is extremely beneficial to the organization.

Theres a reason Murray has set the price high, and its not because he views Myers as a 2nd pairing defenseman.
- theblueandgold

Was Mantha that high? A current minor leaguer with 7 goals last I heard and Detroit wasn't willing to part with him for that stud of a #1 defenseman

Was Mantha that high? A current minor leaguer with 7 goals last I heard and Detroit wasn't willing to part with him for that stud of a #1 defenseman
- GilPerreault11

Rumors....
.here is am actual quote from a GM about Myers "I'm not trying to trade the guy"

Find me an actual quote of a GM admitting he turned down Mantha for Myers, until then it's speculation at best