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Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:12 AM ET
By my count there are between 8-12 teams that Myers would not be on their top pairing.
Here are a few players with similar numbers to Myers: Ehrhoff, Sekera, Chara, Campbell, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Michalek, Bouwmeister, and the Rangers entire D only have two guys with a whopping 17 points.
Myers, however, should have at least 20 points playing on the worse offensive team in the league.

Now I see the rationale in trading him. Makes complete sense.

- adambuffalo


Aside from the fact that the guys you mentioned are not on the Sabres, you're absolutely right. Myers should have .46 ptsPG (38 per 82 games) AT LEAST.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Feb 4 @ 11:13 AM ET
If we have a bigger team (Murray style team) I too think Hodgson will be alright. If he was bought out, that would be mainly to sign another player? We can't keep paying guys to leave, save some money for guys to come here! (lol, I know Pegula has money, but just throwing it away does not make sense)

Basically, it would be $5.7M to buyout this summer (at 1/3 contact left) and $12.7 to pay for one season and then buyout (at 2/3 remaining contract). So double, basically if we buyout next year (and not this summer). If we really want him gone, that would be the time to do it, but I am still not sure it is the correct thing to do.

- Lilroot9



If they can't find a clear upgrade or worthwhile trade I'd take that risk although i certainly understand why they would choose to buy him out.
Slump Buster
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Joined: 10.24.2006

Feb 4 @ 11:13 AM ET
If we have a bigger team (Murray style team) I too think Hodgson will be alright. If he was bought out, that would be mainly to sign another player? We can't keep paying guys to leave, save some money for guys to come here!
- Lilroot9


1) Murray's style is to play big, not be big and soft

2) He would be the last guy that we would pay to leave. Either way, I don't get the point. Get anyone that can't play out of here and we will figure out who to bring in later. You're paying someone less to leave so you can pay more to bring someone else in.
SABRES 89
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Feb 4 @ 11:13 AM ET
Hodgson glides around more then Vanek if you can believe that and i'm a Vanek fan.
Buffalo-Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:15 AM ET
Hodgson glides around more then Vanek if you can believe that and i'm a Vanek fan.
- SABRES 89



Vanek could take a guy off the puck, score and actually back checked contrary to popular belief. Buts most importantly, he scored.
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Feb 4 @ 11:18 AM ET
Vanek could take a guy off the puck, score and actually back checked contrary to popular belief. Buts most importantly, he scored.
- Buffalo-Sabres

Hodgson is a pylon, Vanek wasn't.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:19 AM ET
1) Murray's style is to play big, not be big and soft

2) He would be the last guy that we would pay to leave. Either way, I don't get the point. Get anyone that can't play out of here and we will figure out who to bring in later. You're paying someone less to leave so you can pay more to bring someone else in.

- Slump Buster


1. The idea of Murray's big style is just taking force (most of this team will be flipped over), Lemiuex and others play a tougher style and make the opposing team less likely to hit Hodgson (that was my point, although may not be 100% true).

2. I understand the "leaving" thing, but this is what happens, you sign a young player to a big deal and they trail off, see Myers (and I am sure there are more too). He would be better not playing Nolans style too, which in a year or two will change (when the talent level increases).

I rather put him on waivers this year first to see if anyone takes him then buyout (without trying the waivers thing first, maybe a playoff team would snag him late this year if they have injuries).
Buffalo-Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:20 AM ET
Hodgson is a pylon, Vanek wasn't.
- SABRES 89



Buying out Hodgson at 1/3 of his salary is the biggest slam dunk move ever
Smittyx36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bustttt, NY
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 4 @ 11:20 AM ET
So let me get this straight.... We want to get rid of a guy that last year had 20 goals and the year before in the lockout shortened season got us 34 pts?

So one terrible year in a season where everyone besides Zemgus is underplaying and suddenly Cody is a bum that we need to buyout?

Yea... I'll take the young kid thats proven he can score over the scrubs we currently have playing. Yes he is terrible defensively but he does have upside and with talent around him he can be valuable as trade bait when his numbers go up.
cabin
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Feb 4 @ 11:20 AM ET
Buying out Hodgson at 1/3 of his salary is the biggest slam dunk move ever
- Buffalo-Sabres

But will it happen ?
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Feb 4 @ 11:21 AM ET
Buying out Hodgson at 1/3 of his salary is the biggest slam dunk move ever
- Buffalo-Sabres

I agree
SABRES 89
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Feb 4 @ 11:22 AM ET
But will it happen ?
- cabin

No
Smittyx36
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Feb 4 @ 11:22 AM ET
Hodgson is a pylon, Vanek wasn't.
- SABRES 89

A pylon can net 20 goals on a team that up until this season was the worst offensively built team in Sabres history? I get you don't like the guy due to his laziness but come on.
Slump Buster
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Joined: 10.24.2006

Feb 4 @ 11:22 AM ET
1. The idea of Murray's big style is just taking force (most of this team will be flipped over), Lemiuex and others play a tougher style and make the opposing team less likely to hit Hodgson (that was my point, although may not be 100% true).

2. I understand the "leaving" thing, but this is what happens, you sign a young player to a big deal and they trail off, see Myers (and I am sure there are more too). He would be better not playing Nolans style too, which in a year or two will change (when the talent level increases).

I rather put him on waivers this year first to see if anyone takes him then buyout (without trying the waivers thing first, maybe a playoff team would snag him late this year if they have injuries).

- Lilroot9


Any time you need a perfect storm of circumstances to happen so that maybe someone will be palatable it is time to move on.

Sure, put him on waivers after you try to trade him. In fact, I wonder if they might offer to pay 1/3 of his salary as part of a trade. I can't imagine a team taking that bait.
Slump Buster
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Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
No
- SABRES 89


Guessing or some knowledge on this one?
SABRES 89
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Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
1. The idea of Murray's big style is just taking force (most of this team will be flipped over), Lemiuex and others play a tougher style and make the opposing team less likely to hit Hodgson (that was my point, although may not be 100% true).

2. I understand the "leaving" thing, but this is what happens, you sign a young player to a big deal and they trail off, see Myers (and I am sure there are more too). He would be better not playing Nolans style too, which in a year or two will change (when the talent level increases).

I rather put him on waivers this year first to see if anyone takes him then buyout (without trying the waivers thing first, maybe a playoff team would snag him late this year if they have injuries).

- Lilroot9

Ennis has 12 goals and 30 points on a s$$t team, so whats Hodgson's excuse?
SABRES 89
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Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
Guessing or some knowledge on this one?
- Slump Buster

Guessing
Buffalo-Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:23 AM ET
So let me get this straight.... We want to get rid of a guy that last year had 20 goals and the year before in the lockout shortened season got us 34 pts?

So one terrible year in a season where everyone besides Zemgus is underplaying and suddenly Cody is a bum that we need to buyout?

Yea... I'll take the young kid thats proven he can score over the scrubs we currently have playing. Yes he is terrible defensively but he does have upside and with talent around him he can be valuable as trade bait when his numbers go up.

- Smittyx36



Hodgson turns 25 in 2 weeks. Zemgus turned 21 last month. We have a 1 time shot to get out at 1/3 of the cost of the poop deal the previous GM wrote.



Ummmmmm YEAH. Bye bye now.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:25 AM ET
I don't know how much more you need to see. The guy is who he is. He put up a few points playing behind the Sedins and he put up a few points playing on the pp here. Soft, can't skate and can't play defense. The best-case scenario is that he looks good for a while and then we flip him. Why take that chance? No thanks.
- Slump Buster

I don't believe that's right to say.

He's had 2 seasons of 20 goal or projected 20 goal productivity. How is a guy with that history currently at 2 goals if he is who he is?
Slump Buster
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Feb 4 @ 11:26 AM ET
Ennis has 12 goals and 30 points on a s$$t team, so whats Hodgson's excuse?
- SABRES 89


Jochen Hecht would have put in 4 or 5 a year shooting from behind the goal line
Slump Buster
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Feb 4 @ 11:28 AM ET
I don't believe that's right to say.

He's had 2 seasons of 20 goal or projected 20 goal productivity. How is a guy with that history currently at 2 goals if he is who he is?

- sbroads24


He isn't as bad as he looks this year. That said, what is his ceiling? A floating, soft player that can't play defense in general and center in particular? Worse, he was reportedly stunned that he was benched the other day. Obviously he doesn't even realize that he is having a historically awful year.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 4 @ 11:28 AM ET
Any time you need a perfect storm of circumstances to happen so that maybe someone will be palatable it is time to move on.

Sure, put him on waivers after you try to trade him. In fact, I wonder if they might offer to pay 1/3 of his salary as part of a trade. I can't imagine a team taking that bait.

- Slump Buster


Sounds better to me. I want to leverage the possible ideas, before just buying him out. Retaining salary of 1/3 leaves $3M/year for Hodgson and someone might take a look at that (if we take something off their hands too, hopefully that will help us, someway). I doubt their will be tons of interest, but when we traded for him years ago, a few GM's wanted him then (I know a lot has changed since then), but these long, high pay deals seem to ruin most young players (less reason to push harder).

That is why the bridge contact is so much more preferred (by the team). I do find it hard for him to get motivated this season, knowing he has 5 years left on contract and the team is horrible, but I do wish he would play harder / better.
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Feb 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
Jochen Hecht would have put in 4 or 5 a year shooting from behind the goal line
- Slump Buster

I get it he's young people like him and he had a " name" of being a future..... I wouldn't say star but a very good player. The Nuks didn't like his attitiude and work ethic and 20 goals or not, he's a lazy player with abad contract. Stafford has more goals then Hodgson, enough with the team is crap, we know that. What's Hodgson's excuse.
Smittyx36
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Feb 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
I don't believe that's right to say.

He's had 2 seasons of 20 goal or projected 20 goal productivity. How is a guy with that history currently at 2 goals if he is who he is?

- sbroads24

I thank god everyday that these people don't run the team! These same people loved Cody when he was first here. Suddenly he is a pylon that has absolutely no worth
SABRES 89
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Feb 4 @ 11:32 AM ET
I thank god everyday that these people don't run the team! These same people loved Cody when he was first here. Suddenly he is a pylon that has absolutely no worth
- Smittyx36

I said pylon and I never said I liked Hodgson.
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