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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:01 PM ET
I'm willing to bet a B schenn and cap dump for Kane would help both teams
- Winning


That's exactly why I say price is the only concern. If it was Brayden Schenn as the centerpiece, you're dealing gone inconsistent young guy for another.

If it was something like the Schenn brothers and Coburn, I'd want more from the Jets than just Kane. Love or hate Coburn, he's a lot more proven than either Schenn or Kane and could step in and be a huge asset for the Jets, playing with Byfuglien or Enstrom, and I'd want a nice return for that.

Despite Kane's 30 goal scorer potential, he hasn't do it enough to say he's money in the bank.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 4 @ 6:01 PM ET
I'm willing to bet a B schenn and cap dump for Kane would help both teams
- Winning

BSchenn+ for Kane is a deal I would be fine with. Depends what you can dump on the Jets to get the numbers to work tho. And that + is definitely not a 1st or high level prospect.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 4 @ 6:02 PM ET
Kanes contract complicates things. Only deal I can think of is Kane + two 2nds for Coburn and Schenn.
- PhillySportsGuy


Not to be a downer but the Jets would be looking for immediate help on offense. The strength of that team is D, and with Comrie in the wings ready to push Hutch there is no need to bring in goaltending either.

I don't see the need for Coburn there, where I am not really sure he ranks above any of the top 4 anyway. Luke Schenn is an overpaid 3rd pairing d-man.

As for Brayden, his value falls lower than Evander Kane. Hence why I said I think it starts with Couturier. Jets need center ice men.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:02 PM ET
Kanes contract complicates things. Only deal I can think of is Kane + two 2nds for Coburn and Schenn.
- PhillySportsGuy


It IS a bit of an issue, but it's not a major stumbling block, if Winnipeg accepted a contract in return. Not necessarily a dump, but a guy with a fairly significant deal.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 4 @ 6:03 PM ET
That's exactly why I say price is the only concern. If it was Brayden Schenn as the centerpiece, you're dealing gone inconsistent young guy for another.

If it was something like the Schenn brothers and Coburn, I'd want more from the Jets than just Kane. Love or hate Coburn, he's a lot more proven than either Schenn or Kane and could step in and be a huge asset for the Jets, playing with Byfuglien or Enstrom, and I'd want a nice return for that.

Despite Kane's 30 goal scorer potential, he hasn't do it enough to say he's money in the bank.

- Jsaquella

I think a change of scenery will help Evander.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
Not to be a downer but the Jets would be looking for immediate help on offense. The strength of that team is D, and with Comrie in the wings ready to push Hutch there is no need to bring in goaltending either.

I don't see the need for Coburn there, where I am not really sure he ranks above any of the top 4 anyway. Luke Schenn is an overpaid 3rd pairing d-man.

As for Brayden, his value falls lower than Evander Kane. Hence why I said I think it starts with Couturier. Jets need center ice men.

- flyer_nutter


Couturier is already a better player than Kane. Playoff teams always need depth on defense. Schenn is also scoring at a higher pace than Kane this year plus he's more versatile.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
Kanes contract complicates things. Only deal I can think of is Kane + two 2nds for Coburn and Schenn.
- PhillySportsGuy


With them being healthy now and with Chiarot's emergence, doubt they'd really be interested in Coburn (or Luke Schenn, for that matter).
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
It IS a bit of an issue, but it's not a major stumbling block, if Winnipeg accepted a contract in return. Not necessarily a dump, but a guy with a fairly significant deal.
- Jsaquella


Winnipeg's GM should feel pressure to make a move to bolster their NHL roster to make the playoffs, he's hesitated every year to do something. Now is the time before he's no longer their GM and regretting not making a move to make a run.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
What's the deal with this whole Kane thing? Is there anything to report or any significant rumors out there or is all this talk just based off his being a healthy scratch last night?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
Couturier is already a better player than Kane. Playoff teams always need depth on defense. Schenn is also scoring at a higher pace than Kane this year plus he's more versatile.
- PhillySportsGuy


I think Evander has a much higher trade value than Brayden.

Coburn.. Well.. To be honest I have no idea what his value is, and again if the Jets are trading Evander, they imo will want offense back. That's the weakness of the team. I also don't think picks will be super attractive to a team that is coming out of a rebuild. They want immediate help.
3flyerkids
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Feb 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
Kanes contract complicates things. Only deal I can think of is Kane + two 2nds for Coburn and Schenn.
- PhillySportsGuy


Like my deal better

Schenn brothers and Coburn

Kane and Bogo
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
What's the deal with this whole Kane thing? Is there anything to report or any significant rumors out there or is all this talk just based off his being a healthy scratch last night?
- funmaster18

He just favorited a tweet saying Hextall should trade for him for starters...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
That's exactly why I say price is the only concern. If it was Brayden Schenn as the centerpiece, you're dealing gone inconsistent young guy for another.


- Jsaquella


It isn't the only concern. One inconsistent young guy has a cap hit of 2.5M. The other inconsistent young guy has a cap hit of 5.25M
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
What's the deal with this whole Kane thing? Is there anything to report or any significant rumors out there or is all this talk just based off his being a healthy scratch last night?
- funmaster18


Bobby Ryan re-born.

Almost as bad as the last hobbit movie.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
Winnipeg's GM should feel pressure to make a move to bolster their NHL roster to make the playoffs, he's hesitated every year to do something. Now is the time before he's no longer their GM and regretting not making a move to make a run.
- ob18


I do wonder how much pressure is on Cheveldayoff to make the playoffs this season. Holmgren was able to use the pressure Don waddell was under in Atlanta to make the Zhitnik for Coburn deal in 2007. Maybe Hextall can do the same to Chevy?

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
An indepth profile of Jansen Harkins

http://www.mckeenshockey....sen-harkins-cougar-prowl/
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
He just favorited a tweet saying Hextall should trade for him for starters...
- hereticpride


I'll wait for Hextall to favor a tweet by kane before I get too worked up about it
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Feb 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
With them being healthy now and with Chiarot's emergence, doubt they'd really be interested in Coburn (or Luke Schenn, for that matter).
- Tomahawk


Getting Coburn could free them up to move a guy like Bogo for more offense though. Just not sure who else they'd want that would even out cap hits. Only other guy I can think is Read and I'm just not sure it's a good idea to trade two current forwards to strengthen a top line thats already one of the best in hockey.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 6:09 PM ET
I do wonder how much pressure is on Cheveldayoff to make the playoffs this season. Holmgren was able to use the pressure Don waddell was under in Atlanta to make the Zhitnik for Coburn deal in 2007. Maybe Hextall can do the same to Chevy?
- Jsaquella


Not sure but one has to think the seat it at least warming up if not burning.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 4 @ 6:10 PM ET
I do wonder how much pressure is on Cheveldayoff to make the playoffs this season. Holmgren was able to use the pressure Don waddell was under in Atlanta to make the Zhitnik for Coburn deal in 2007. Maybe Hextall can do the same to Chevy?
- Jsaquella


If they crumble the pressure will come. Team is on a bit of a slide lately.

Whatever happens, and I could see him fired, I will give the dude a bit of credit. He added a nice supply of young talent by drafting well and has kept the old core around to not throw the kids into the fire.

As Atlanta's Thrashers are weeded out due to age and decline, the new core steps in. Long process, but better than (frank)ing the kids over like Edmonton or panic trades to make the playoffs at any cost.

Maurice was a good hire.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 4 @ 6:11 PM ET
Bobby Ryan re-born.

Almost as bad as the last hobbit movie.

- flyer_nutter


That's what I was thinking. Also, the hobbit trilogy probably should have been one film. I stopped watching the first one after an hour long dwarf sing-a-long while cleaning the dishes
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 4 @ 6:12 PM ET
Getting Coburn could free them up to move a guy like Bogo for more offense though. Just not sure who else they'd want that would even out cap hits. Only other guy I can think is Read and I'm just not sure it's a good idea to trade two current forwards to strengthen a top line thats already one of the best in hockey.
- PhillySportsGuy

Bingo.

Get me a winger with skill for Coots and Simmonds. The first line can't play every minute.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 4 @ 6:12 PM ET
That's what I was thinking. Also, the hobbit trilogy probably should have been one film. I stopped watching the first one after an hour long dwarf sing-a-long while cleaning the dishes
- funmaster18


Liked the first the best. Same as I did the fellowship. More character development, and an organic feel.

More CGI porn in the later hobbit movies made it feel like a video game.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:13 PM ET
If they crumble the pressure will come. Team is on a bit of a slide lately.

Whatever happens, and I could see him fired, I will give the dude a bit of credit. He added a nice supply of young talent by drafting well and has kept the old core around to not throw the kids into the fire.

As Atlanta's Thrashers are weeded out due to age and decline, the new core steps in. Long process, but better than (frank)ing the kids over like Edmonton or panic trades to make the playoffs at any cost.

Maurice was a good hire.

- flyer_nutter


He's been patient, but ownership may decide he needs to get into the playoffs.

He's done a great job of building the system. The Jets depth of prospects is the envy of the league. They have a ton of good prospects on hand.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 4 @ 6:14 PM ET
Liked the first the best. Same as I did the fellowship. More character development, and an organic feel.

More CGI porn in the later hobbit movies made it feel like a video game.

- flyer_nutter


Well, at least it's over. Maybe someone will make a movie based on a new idea for once. Seems like there is an over abundance of sequels and trilogies the last few years. Though I am looking forward to the new Star Wars movie...
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