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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks Game Review: Feb. 5 vs. San Jose, Trade Market Shifting
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Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Feb 6 @ 8:07 PM ET
20 goals 8 mil
10 goals 7 mil

This team needs goals and speed

- VANTEL



I wouldn't trade the Sedins unless I was either going through a complete rebuild or I had a similar level of leadership coming back. If the Sedin's are gone, there will be no leadership left in the room.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 6 @ 8:07 PM ET
I voted no. Regardless of 'potential' ,I have no interest in adding an immature, spoiled little brat who throws hissy fits and divides the locker room. We just got rid of Kesler.
- Marwood


30 goals is not potential lol
Also when ur in the locker room with Buff etc lemme know.
Its more about Chevy doing nothing n creating this problem when he could of got assets last summer.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Feb 6 @ 8:08 PM ET
20 goals 8 mil
10 goals 7 mil

This team needs goals and speed

- VANTEL


I agree that any team could always use some more speed (and scoring); however, with respect to focusing on goals, you need players that can set them up. The Sedins can't do everything (as much as I know you think they should )
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Feb 6 @ 8:08 PM ET
What I expect is at least one blue chip prospect and likely a 1st round pick
For a guy that has so many question marks that is a price I would be unwilling to pay
And clearly since I am not sold on the Kassian+Higgins+Lack proposal that many have suggested then I am aware of how hard it is to get one

- bezz44


Yep, keep adding to the cupboard. Benning is only going to get Kane if it's a "hockey" trade. He's unwilling to trade his futures.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Feb 6 @ 8:08 PM ET
Idk what u r saying..very vague.
Idk if u know how hard it is to get scoring power forwards.
What exactly is what u expect means?

- Nighthawk

But we don't have anymore Hodgesons to trade away for scoring power forwards.
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Feb 6 @ 8:09 PM ET
I agree that any team could always use some more speed (and scoring); however, with respect to focusing on goals, you need players that can set them up. The Sedins can't do everything (as much as I know you think they should )
- Zogg


Just another reason to split them up. If they're so adept at setting people up, and can't score, why have them on the same line now?
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Feb 6 @ 8:09 PM ET
But we don't have anymore Hodgesons to trade away for scoring power forwards.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Cheeky
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Feb 6 @ 8:10 PM ET
20 goals 8 mil -15
10 goals 7 mil -1

This team needs goals and speed

- VANTEL

Fixed
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Feb 6 @ 8:10 PM ET
Kane also playing injured all year
- Retinalz

Sure, but that factors into the question marks. Only year he played every game was the lockout shortened season. And what I was pointing out is that you cannot say that Kane is definitively better than all of the players I listed when he is putting up stats like that. You can play the injury card but if there is no large sample size of uninjured play with which to compare then the argument that he is so much better than all of our players is completely unsupported. I also don't buy using the 30 goal season as a benchmark for what we can expect. If we have to use the "what have you done for me lately" philosophy for our players then the same goes for even a young guy like Kane
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 6 @ 8:11 PM ET
Define guaranteed?

Hitting the 30 goal mark once out of six "seasons"?

- Whiskey-Tango


Plays with the Sedins n PP n I guarantee 30 goals.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Feb 6 @ 8:12 PM ET
Oh man, that brings back so many memories. How we all used to get in trouble hanging out talking about analytics until the sun came out. Then we'd go and make corsi graphs on actual graph paper! and would analyze those for the entire day, all whilst drinking spritzers We got into so much trouble, Jeebus! I hope you don't go down the same road we did, Bezz/Nucker - once you've done corsi your life is changed forever
- Zogg

bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Feb 6 @ 8:14 PM ET
Yep, keep adding to the cupboard. Benning is only going to get Kane if it's a "hockey" trade. He's unwilling to trade his futures.
- Gullzy

I really hope this is the case
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Feb 6 @ 8:14 PM ET
Just another reason to split them up. If they're so adept at setting people up, and can't score, why have them on the same line now?
- Gullzy


the thing is, you just can't achieve that same sort of chemistry that the Sedins have together. All they've ever needed is a sniper to convert on their seeing-eye passes (and second tier scoring for @#$@# sakes - which has not been properly addressed for sometime) Think about it, they made a 30 goal scorer out of Anson Carter and haven't really seen anyone (other than Burrows) who has that same sort of chemistry to be consistently productive.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 6 @ 8:14 PM ET
But we don't have anymore Hodgesons to trade away for scoring power forwards.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Still got the better of that deal with both being useless. Kassian will fetch a bag of pucks n Hodgson can be a good AHLer just ask Roberts.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 6 @ 8:15 PM ET
That has to great for those guys confidence.

They essentially just gave them away.

But it is actually a pretty smart move.

- classic321

What was the trade?
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Feb 6 @ 8:16 PM ET
30 goals is not potential lol
Also when ur in the locker room with Buff etc lemme know.
Its more about Chevy doing nothing n creating this problem when he could of got assets last summer.

- Nighthawk

So we can expect the Sedins to score 100 points next year because they have done it before? I know he is young but that doesn't mean it doesn't take dedication, hard work, chemistry, and some luck to produce every single year in this league
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Feb 6 @ 8:19 PM ET
the thing is, you just can't achieve that same sort of chemistry that the Sedins have together. All they've ever needed is a sniper to convert on their seeing-eye passes (and second tier scoring for @#$@# sakes - which has not been properly addressed for sometime) Think about it, they made a 30 goal scorer out of Anson Carter and haven't really seen anyone (other than Burrows) who has that same sort of chemistry to be consistently productive.
- Zogg



I think we've reached the stage where other players will help the Sedins reach better point totals instead of the other way around.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 6 @ 8:22 PM ET
So we can expect the Sedins to score 100 points next year because they have done it before? I know he is young but that doesn't mean it doesn't take dedication, hard work, chemistry, and some luck to produce every single year in this league
- bezz44


Idk what u expect. But speaking as we idk u had power of attorney over everyone.
Kane would get 30 n add anything u think will happen but not twisting my words tyvm
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 6 @ 8:22 PM ET
I agree that any team could always use some more speed (and scoring); however, with respect to focusing on goals, you need players that can set them up. The Sedins can't do everything (as much as I know you think they should )
- Zogg

14 million on one line is too much for a set up man. We are 21 St in the league for goals and one of the worst goals total for a first line in the league.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Feb 6 @ 8:30 PM ET
Idk what u expect. But speaking as we idk u had power of attorney over everyone.
Kane would get 30 n add anything u think will happen but not twisting my words tyvm

- Nighthawk

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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 6 @ 8:31 PM ET
But we don't have anymore Hodgesons to trade away for scoring power forwards.
- A_SteamingLombardi



Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Feb 6 @ 8:35 PM ET
14 million on one line is too much for a set up man. We are 21 St in the league for goals and one of the worst goals total for a first line in the league.
- VANTEL


We also have very limited secondary scoring - I'd say we have to be at or near the bottom with respect to that. You just can not be successful (regardless of who is on the top line) if you don't have that additional threat of secondary scoring. Yes, it's great to see guys like Horvat, Bonino, Vey, Higgins etc occasionally chip in but that is simply not enough. That has and always will be (although I'm hoping with Linden that won't be the case going forward) the Canucks main problem.
pandabk
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 06.15.2011

Feb 6 @ 8:37 PM ET
What was the trade?
- VANTEL

David broll and carter Ashton to Tampa for a conditional 7th in 2016
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Feb 6 @ 8:40 PM ET
David broll and carter Ashton to Tampa for a conditional 7th in 2016
- pandabk




So essentially nothing for nothing.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Feb 6 @ 8:42 PM ET
David broll and carter Ashton to Tampa for a conditional 7th in 2016
- pandabk

What the hell is a conditional 7th, is that some how lower than a 7th?
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