The Flyers do not have a cap problem.
- Giroux_Is_God

Yup, they have a "too many mediocre players signed to bad deals" problem

I think it may take until the summer to make some moves. You get a guy like Schultz who might have value at the TDL, because he's a FA, but term can hurt if teams are legitimately worried about the cap next year.
- Jsaquella

Agreed

Most power forwards require a playmaker on their line to excel
- BiggE

Agreed. I don't think there is anything wrong with getting him some help. Watching Simmonds being centered by Danny Briere was enjoyable at the time.

I would trade Jake but I'm in the minority
- PhillySportsGuy

oy

I think Coburn's value is fine, assuming they want to deal him. There should be a demand for him. The hold up there might be term, but if Coburn is playing with a good partner, he's worth that $4.5mm, IMO.
- Jsaquella

I used to think he was worth a late first round pick but the way teams are holding onto their 1st round picks I'm not sure he brings that anymore.

I used to think he was worth a late first round pick but the way teams are holding onto their 1st round picks I'm not sure he brings that anymore.
- Marc D

It's possible he isn't. I'd consider taking two early second rounders, if a team had them. I think he could get a Boychuk level return, still.

Lotta buzz around Leafs, they recalled goalie Antoine Bibeau on emergency basis, but both goalies are supposedly healthy.
- Jsaquella

I watched them last night, against the Devils.

They have given up. You can see it all over them. They are begging for trades -- not one trade. That is a roster where multiple guys have clearly been beaten down to the point where they are ready to go.

Kypreos said they had clearly checked out

I watched them last night, against the Devils.

They have given up. You can see it all over them. They are begging for trades -- not one trade. That is a roster where multiple guys have clearly been beaten down to the point where they are ready to go.

Kypreos said they had clearly checked out
- AllInForFlyers

They're a mess. Once in awhile they play like they did against the Flyers-generating chances and play solid defense, then the next they look like 5 guys playing during open hockey

oy
- Marc D

I am with you -- you get rid of problems, not solutions

I would trade Jake but I'm in the minority
- PhillySportsGuy

Giroux (26), Voracek (25), Mason (26), Simmonds (26), L.Schenn (25), B.Schenn (23), Couturier (22), Read (28), Laughton (20), Del Zotto (24), Morin (19), Sanheim (18), Gostisbehere (21), Hagg (19), Stolarz (21).

We have a pretty good crop of young and/or high drafted player. I'm hoping we can add, while cutting the fat.

They're a mess. Once in awhile they play like they did against the Flyers-generating chances and play solid defense, then the next they look like 5 guys playing during open hockey
- Jsaquella

That was Mike Johnson's thing. He was saying that they have tried playing tighter hockey, playing like Peter Horachek has asked, but now that they have kept on losing, they have been broken

The Flyers game might have killed them -- Johnson was saying that if they had gotten any kind of result along the way, they might still have some will left. That game against the Flyers was one where they played well enough to get something and got absolutely nothing

I am with you -- you get rid of problems, not solutions
- AllInForFlyers

Mase G and Jake are the real core.

I think Couts and Simmer are next level and probably core keepers, but those guys I would trade in a hockey deal, for a young D guy with top pair potential.

The rest, well there are guys I like and some like Streit they would have a hard time replacing, but none I wouldn't trade in the right deal.

That was Mike Johnson's thing. He was saying that they have tried playing tighter hockey, playing like Peter Horachek has asked, but now that they have kept on losing, they have been broken

The Flyers game might have killed them -- Johnson was saying that if they had gotten any kind of result along the way, they might still have some will left. That game against the Flyers was one where they played well enough to get something and got absolutely nothing
- AllInForFlyers

very tough situation

the guys leading are kessel and dionne who get hammered there and shouldn't be the leaders

the young guys like gardiner, kadri and rielly are great but need vets to lead them still and they don't have them

Mase G and Jake are the real core.

I think Couts and Simmer are next level and probably core keepers, but those guys I would trade in a hockey deal, for a young D guy with top pair potential.

The rest, well there are guys I like and some like Streit they would have a hard time replacing, but none I wouldn't trade in the right deal.
- Marc D

Agree 100%

That was Mike Johnson's thing. He was saying that they have tried playing tighter hockey, playing like Peter Horachek has asked, but now that they have kept on losing, they have been broken

The Flyers game might have killed them -- Johnson was saying that if they had gotten any kind of result along the way, they might still have some will left. That game against the Flyers was one where they played well enough to get something and got absolutely nothing
- AllInForFlyers

very tough situation

the guys leading are kessel and dionne who get hammered there and shouldn't be the leaders

the young guys like gardiner, kadri and rielly are great but need vets to lead them still and they don't have them
- Marc D

I keep waiting for the shoe to drop up there, because something has to give -- it's one thing to be bad. It's another to simply be paralyzed by frustration and dysfunction

Mase G and Jake are the real core.

I think Couts and Simmer are next level and probably core keepers, but those guys I would trade in a hockey deal, for a young D guy with top pair potential.

The rest, well there are guys I like and some like Streit they would have a hard time replacing, but none I wouldn't trade in the right deal.
- Marc D

Agreed wholeheartedly.

- Jsaquella

Exactly -- you'll get nothing and like it!

Mase G and Jake are the real core.

I think Couts and Simmer are next level and probably core keepers, but those guys I would trade in a hockey deal, for a young D guy with top pair potential.

The rest, well there are guys I like and some like Streit they would have a hard time replacing, but none I wouldn't trade in the right deal.
- Marc D

It would pain me to trade Couturier, but I would do it in the right deal

It would pain me to trade Couturier, but I would do it in the right deal
- AllInForFlyers

me too

and Simmonds maybe even more who for me is a perfect Flyer, leader, hard worker, everything you'd want as a teammate

I keep waiting for the shoe to drop up there, because something has to give -- it's one thing to be bad. It's another to simply be paralyzed by frustration and dysfunction
- AllInForFlyers

JVR and Franson I think get moved. No one will touch Dion or Kessel. Leafs made their bed with those buffoons. Now they get to sleep in it.

Talking about VV, and White, started me thinking about the D. If #5 can stay in the box, and McD can join him, why not bring up Manning? He is more stable than McD, and maybe the turnovers will stop killing us. In addition, it will keep our PK off the ice, until they can figure out how to play on the road.
- OrangeAndBlack1

I keep reading about all the turnovers from MacDonald. He has been charged with 12 giveaways in 40 games.

Pretty much. It's dire.
- Tomahawk

It's not at all dire in my opinion. Flyers don't have any big players up for renewal, proabably are going to trade a defenseman or two. Also a slim possibility of trading Lecavalier, and a possible buyout of Umberger.

It's not the greatest, but if they really feel crunched and really want to do something, they could just buy out Wheels and Zombie, maybe not for next year but the year after

They aren't as loose as any of us would like, but they could move Coburn and be 4.5 to the good and not necessarily be any worse on the ice, though I wish Coburn had played better

Wheels could retire, too -- I wouldn't rule that out. I really wouldn't
- AllInForFlyers

I would rule out Lecavalier retiring. That's not going to happen.

It's not at all dire in my opinion. Flyers don't have any big players up for renewal, proabably are going to trade a defenseman or two. Also a slim possibility of trading Lecavalier, and a possible buyout of Umberger.
- MJL

Yup. The biggest question basically is do they move D men like Carlo or Schultz or do they make a big move and move out a guy like Coburn or Streit?