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stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 12:30 AM ET
It will. To be honest the probability of minimal or stagnant cap growth is a factor, too. There's 5 contracts I especially dislike, and I wonder if any can be moved.
- Jsaquella


vinny
amac
umby
grossmann


simmonds?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 9 @ 12:32 AM ET
not funny
- Marc D


Eh, I don't fault him for trying.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 12:37 AM ET
vinny
amac
umby
grossmann


simmonds?

- stayinthefnnet


Ha! Cute


But I really do think Grossmann could get moved -- I have taken a spin around the league the last few weeks, and man, Calgary's defense is SMALL. I mean, Deryk Engelland is the biggest player they have, at 6-2, 215.

That doesn't mean it has to be Grossmann -- but man, a team like the Flames might actually need SOMEBODY with size, even if he's the 7th man
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 9 @ 12:39 AM ET
Eh, I don't fault him for trying.
- johndewar

yeh I had to delete the post

it was a good effort from stayinnet
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 9 @ 12:40 AM ET
NHL network saying Lundqvist has a "sprained blood vessel"

now that is world class obfuscation right there
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Feb 9 @ 12:40 AM ET
More food for thought,

On this day last year, The Flyers were coming off of a 2-1 win over Calgary, and had a 56.5% of making the playoffs.

They had 6 more games played, and they only had room to lose 22 points for the remainder of their games. That would've been a record of 11-10-2.

The Flyers could go 6-0-0 over their next 6 games to have the same number of points with the same number of games played as last year. This would mean they would have a 7 game win streak. Their longest win streak of the season is 4. Their next 6 games are (in order), Montreal (2nd East), Columbus (13th East), Buffalo (16th East), Columbus, Buffalo, and Nashville (1st West).

The best case scenario would be to hope for a win or overtime against Montreal, gain momentum from the Columbus/Buffalo stretch of games, and use it to compete against Nashville. 4-2 is a realistic expectation for this stretch.

Not to be dramatic, but this could be the most important stretch of games of the rest of the season.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 12:43 AM ET
yeh I had to delete the post

it was a good effort from stayinnet

- Marc D


much better.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 12:44 AM ET
Ha! Cute


But I really do think Grossmann could get moved -- I have taken a spin around the league the last few weeks, and man, Calgary's defense is SMALL. I mean, Deryk Engelland is the biggest player they have, at 6-2, 215.

That doesn't mean it has to be Grossmann -- but man, a team like the Flames might actually need SOMEBODY with size, even if he's the 7th man

- AllInForFlyers


i feel like if grossmann didnt have that extra year he could be moved very easily.

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 12:44 AM ET
More food for thought,

On this day last year, The Flyers were coming off of a 2-1 win over Calgary, and had a 56.5% of making the playoffs.

They had 6 more games played, and they only had room to lose 22 points for the remainder of their games. That would've been a record of 11-10-2.

The Flyers could go 6-0-0 over their next 6 games to have the same number of points with the same number of games played as last year. Their next 6 games are (in order), Montreal (2nd East), Columbus (13th East), Buffalo (16th East), Columbus, Buffalo, and Nashville (1st West).

The best case scenario would be to hope for a win or overtime against Montreal, gain momentum from the Columbus/Buffalo stretch of games, and use it to compete against Nashville. 4-2 is a realistic expectation for this stretch.

Not to be dramatic, but this could be the most important stretch of games of the rest of the season.

- JAKEw1234


Man, I hear you, and I TRULY want to believe, but that is gonna be hella tough -- the teams this year who are in the playoff hunt are simply playing better than the teams were last year

December and the PK really (frank)ed this team/season
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Feb 9 @ 12:46 AM ET
Man, I hear you, and I TRULY want to believe, but that is gonna be hella tough -- the teams this year who are in the playoff hunt are simply playing better than the teams were last year

December and the PK really (frank)ed this team

- AllInForFlyers

Luckily, recently the Flyers have been beating (or really competing) with playoff teams, while beating the teams they should be beating.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 12:47 AM ET
i feel like if grossmann didnt have that extra year he could be moved very easily.
- stayinthefnnet


I guess I'm going to have to see teams not take guys before I believe one year is going to stop them. I understand some teams won't buy, but there are some teams that never buy

I mean, JFC. Calgary hasn't made the playoffs since 2007-08. You'd better get your asses into the playoffs if you have the chance, because with the way the West is, you might be getting curb-stomped by this time next year
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 12:49 AM ET
I guess I'm going to have to see teams not take guys before I believe one year is going to stop them. I understand some teams won't buy, but there are some teams that never buy

I mean, JFC. Calgary hasn't made the playoffs since 2007-08. You'd better get your asses into the playoffs if you have the chance, because with the way the West is, you might be getting curb-stomped by this time next year

- AllInForFlyers

exactly.

i understand how for some organizations, it may be better to not force it just to be an 8 seed and get ran over by a 1 or a 2 seed in the playoffs. (even though in hockey, truly anything can happen)

but for some, i think they really just need the fresh air that even getting in for a (frank)ing change could bring.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 12:54 AM ET
exactly.

i understand how for some organizations, it may be better to not force it just to be an 8 seed and get ran over by a 1 or a 2 seed in the playoffs. (even though in hockey, truly anything can happen)

but for some, i think they really just need the fresh air that even getting in for a (frank)ing change could bring.

- stayinthefnnet


I mean, seriously. Look at the Blues. Is somebody seriously telling me that they plan on getting pistol-whipped by the Blackhawks again just because of one year extra on some guy's contract?

Are the Islanders REALLY going to let that PK get strafed and risk losing Johnny Boychuck for nothing, just because of one year extra on some guy's contract?

Again: I have to see that to believe it
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 12:59 AM ET
I mean, seriously. Look at the Blues. Is somebody seriously telling me that they plan on getting pistol-whipped by the Blackhawks again just because of one year extra on some guy's contract?

Are the Islanders REALLY going to let that PK get strafed and risk losing Johnny Boychuck for nothing, just because of one year extra on some guy's contract?

Again: I have to see that to believe it

- AllInForFlyers


hey i mean if grossmann is THAT much of a difference maker, ship him on over
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 9 @ 12:59 AM ET
I think its great you guys are hanging onto hope for the playoffs

That is where I am, wanting them to win but know that really they have no shot
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 9 @ 1:03 AM ET
I think its great you guys are hanging onto hope for the playoffs

That is where I am, wanting them to win but know that really they have no shot

- Marc D


I am still genuinely entertained by this team. I actually even like many of them.

They just don't have enough talented players. They are the definition of mediocre and middle of the road.

But I still get to watch Claude Giroux. And Jake Voracek. And the Wayne Train.

And maybe our young guys will eventually grow into something.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Feb 9 @ 1:08 AM ET
I am still genuinely entertained by this team. I actually even like many of them.

They just don't have enough talented players. They are the definition of mediocre and middle of the road.

But I still get to watch Claude Giroux. And Jake Voracek. And the Wayne Train.

And maybe our young guys will eventually grow into something.

- johndewar


It'll be interesting watching the 'Hexy Plan' develop (successfully, I hope) over the next couple of seasons.

I'm definitely curious to see him stock the system.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 1:08 AM ET
hey i mean if grossmann is THAT much of a difference maker, ship him on over
- stayinthefnnet


Ha! Again, it doesn't have to be Grossmann, but come on.

I'm not saying it's gonna be the Wild West on March 2 -- it's actually been pretty quiet the last few TDLs

But I'll just have to see it to believe it that a team like Calgary just says, "(frank) it, we're not gonna do anything and just take our chances of getting caught from behind by the Kings"
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 9 @ 1:10 AM ET
I am still genuinely entertained by this team. I actually even like many of them.

They just don't have enough talented players. They are the definition of mediocre and middle of the road.

But I still get to watch Claude Giroux. And Jake Voracek. And the Wayne Train.

And maybe our young guys will eventually grow into something.

- johndewar

they looked like a good team tonight

loved their neutral zone play and the PK
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 1:11 AM ET
I think its great you guys are hanging onto hope for the playoffs

That is where I am, wanting them to win but know that really they have no shot

- Marc D


People can mock me, but I want them to win every single time they play, even if/when they miss

I know they won't, and if Mason's gone, that's likely the kill shot

It's not ego, though. I honestly believe that losing does absolutely no good for this particular team, because that will mean young players will not have progressed enough to matter
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 9 @ 1:14 AM ET
And I'm sorry, but I like watching MDZ play like a difference-maker and I want Laughton to click with linemates and I want Couturier and Baby Schenn to find ways to put up points at ES, somewhat consistently

I watched Edmonton-Toronto on Saturday. We don't want to be that. We really don't

Some of us think we do, but you don't want to be a team with no hope, in a capped league where few trades are made
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 9 @ 1:14 AM ET
People can mock me, but I want them to win every single time they play, even if/when they miss

I know they won't, and if Mason's gone, that's likely the kill shot

It's not ego, though. I honestly believe that losing does absolutely no good for this particular team, because that will mean young players will not have progressed enough to matter

- AllInForFlyers

sad but true
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 9 @ 1:15 AM ET
And I'm sorry, but I like watching MDZ play like a difference-maker and I want Laughton to click with linemates and I want Couturier and Baby Schenn to find ways to put up points at ES, somewhat consistently

I watched Edmonton-Toronto on Saturday. We don't want to be that. We really don't

Some of us think we do, but you don't want to be a team with no hope, in a capped league where few trades are made

- AllInForFlyers


nothing to be sorry about for being a fan and finding your own enjoyment out of it. as much as i like to scream and throw things around my living room, thats still what its supposed to be about.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 9 @ 1:16 AM ET
And I'm sorry, but I like watching MDZ play like a difference-maker and I want Laughton to click with linemates and I want Couturier and Baby Schenn to find ways to put up points at ES, somewhat consistently

I watched Edmonton-Toronto on Saturday. We don't want to be that. We really don't

Some of us think we do, but you don't want to be a team with no hope, in a capped league where few trades are made

- AllInForFlyers

keep him with Simmonds for a bit and I think they will put up some points
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 9 @ 1:16 AM ET
People can mock me, but I want them to win every single time they play, even if/when they miss

I know they won't, and if Mason's gone, that's likely the kill shot

It's not ego, though. I honestly believe that losing does absolutely no good for this particular team, because that will mean young players will not have progressed enough to matter

- AllInForFlyers


I've said from the beginning that Mason was one of the 3 players the Flyers can ill afford to be without for an extended period of time.

The other two are G and Jake.

Without those 3 players, they are in the McDavid sweepstakes.

I don't think Claude Giroux has it in him to just tank. I laugh at the people that don't think he's a good captain. He's twice the captain that Mike Richards was, IMO.

And I liked Mike Richards.
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