Now now. Richards got his nose plenty dirty. You ever sniff a dollar bill?
- hereticpride

My lawyer has advised me to invoke my 5th amendment rights.

Now now. Richards got his nose plenty dirty. You ever sniff a dollar bill?
- hereticpride

Legitimate LOL from me...

Yeah, but Giroux does get his nose dirty. He's more Bobby Clarke than Richards was!
- Jsaquella

Man, you know I hear you on that -- that young man isn't the biggest, but he ain't soft

Yeah, but Giroux does get his nose dirty. He's more Bobby Clarke than Richards was!
- Jsaquella

And ironically, Clarkie couldn't even pronounce his name.

/Team Clode

Mike Modano, Daniel Alfredsson, Adam Foote and Jerome Iglina I kinda feel bought a little shape to their legacy by moving to another team. I would be heart broken if we lost Claude Giroux at any point within his career.
- SuperSchennBros

just my opinion of course, but I didn't like seeing those players you mention change teams

Giroux of course would hurt bad

I feel the same about Simmonds too

the day frick and frack were both traded had my head spinning

And ironically, Clarkie couldn't even pronounce his name.

/Team Clode
- johndewar

Hey Homer, I don't think this (frank)ing guy is from Lumberton...

Yeah respecting the hard working gritty grinder is fine, but celebrating him while booing the franchise guy or future HOFer is moronic.
- Jsaquella

exactly. they dont need to be mutually exclusive ideals.

Hey Homer, I don't think this (frank)ing guy is from Lumberton...
- Jsaquella

"Sangwa....Sangwa.....

Sangwa....I can't even say his name right."

just my opinion of course, but I didn't like seeing those players you mention change teams

Giroux of course would hurt bad

I feel the same about Simmonds too

the day frick and frack were both traded had my head spinning
- Marc D

but you have a trade to thank for simmonds being there in the first place haha.

but i do agree. with those long term lifers, it really is weird to see the last year or two.

alfie in detroit. the (frank) was that.

Man, you know I hear you on that -- that young man isn't the biggest, but he ain't soft
- AllInForFlyers

Nope, but he's willing to do what he needs to do.. look at the Jets game, in OT.

"Sangwa....Sangwa.....

Sangwa....I can't even say his name right."
- johndewar

Thank God that they didn't pick 3rd that year.

Thank God that they didn't pick 3rd that year.
- Jsaquella

Can you imagine if they did pick Sanguinetti and how (frank)ed up this franchise would be?

Can you imagine if they did pick Sanguinetti and how (frank)ed up this franchise would be?
- johndewar

I read somewhere that they had Claude as the 13th guy on their list. Jeff Marek said that he heard they tried to move up for Trevor Lewis at one point

I read somewhere that they had Claude as the 13th guy on their list. Jeff Marek said that he heard they tried to move up for Trevor Lewis at one point
- Jsaquella

Ah, draft day -- where more legacies are defined than you can shake a stick at

Ah, draft day -- where more legacies are defined than you can shake a stick at
- AllInForFlyers

Nuts, isn't it?

If Gerry Melnyk hadn't lost his poop in 1969, Bud Poile might not take Bobby Clarke because he already had Bob Currier in round one.

If the Nordiques hadn't traded Lindros twice, the Flyers might have had their first rounder in 1993 and took Saku Koivu, Todd Bertuzzi or Adam Deadmarsh.

oh looks who's at the top of the list and some people hate vinny

Can you imagine if they did pick Sanguinetti and how (frank)ed up this franchise would be?
- johndewar

we probably would have had stamkos or tavares which would have been nice since they're better than giroux

we probably would have had stamkos or tavares which would have been nice since they're better than giroux
- 2Real

(frank) off

(frank) off
- wilsonecho91

Don't feed the troll.

Now I realize this most likely won't happen , but would you trade straight across Brayden Coburn for James vanRiemsdyk?

we probably would have had stamkos or tavares which would have been nice since they're better than giroux
- 2Real

No they aren't ...that is why you are a fraud Flyers fan! Just look at stats over the past seasons and you proven wrong! Stamkos and Tavares score more goals for sure ... but otherwise ...nope ... I would take giroux over Tavares any day ...but Stamkos yeah I might do! He isn't much really a better all around player though!

Now I realize this most likely won't happen , but would you trade straight across Brayden Coburn for James vanRiemsdyk?
- Cable2k

No, and I don't even like Coburn.

I get it, for the $ he gets people want 40 points, & solid D.
But I like his steadiness in the defensive zone, & I believe his turnovers are the least among our D men.
I know he had a bad penalty today, but that was hauling down the games best power forward.
Would I like to see his salary down a million? Sure, absolutely.
But I think he's
- puckhead17[played very well, and MDZ has played great!

Dead on. Yes, he is overpaid, but the focus is all on the overpayment rather then on the player. He's a pretty good all around defensman.

Now I realize this most likely won't happen , but would you trade straight across Brayden Coburn for James vanRiemsdyk?
- Cable2k

Yes

It's his contract. He's done well in his current role-handling secondary minutes and not being over exposed. The trouble is, he's getting paid to be one of the leaders of the defense-you don't make that kind of financial and term commitment to a guy to be a secondary guy.

That's the biggest issue with the Flyers defense, as a whole. They have 8 legitimate NHL defensemen. All of them are capable NHLers. But most of them are being paid a premium for what they bring to the table. In some cases, they are overpaid for what they bring to the table. If MacDonald was making $3mm a year, on a 3 or 4 year deal, I doubt anyone would have much issue with him.

It's not really MacDonald, it's just that he's the most egregious example of the Flyers paying a premium for guys who are second tier defensemen.
- Jsaquella

A big problem is the fans expectation of what players should be paid, and the above is a classic example. You aren't going to get a quality defensman like MacDonald on the UFA market for 3M a year. Now MacDonald's solid overall play, is being downplayed by calling it a secondary role. He's averaging 20 minutes a game, and playing against players such as Ovechkin, Kane, and Yandle recently. No problem with looking at the overall makeup and cost of the defense. That can be done while also acknowledging that a player like MacDonald is a pretty good defenseman.