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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 8 @ 9:46 PM ET
I have a feeling Peter Budaj is coming here.
- puckhead17


HA! Is he still in the league? He was in MTL last year, right?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 8 @ 9:46 PM ET
Kane doesn't even fit what this team needs. They need a playmaking/sniping 2nd line LW. For the rumored cost give me Oshie or Eberle. They'll help this team far more than Kane will.
- hereticpride

I think anyone able to play LW naturally could be valuable to us. A playmaker would be ideal though
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 8 @ 9:48 PM ET
HA! Is he still in the league? He was in MTL last year, right?
- AllInForFlyers


He's in the AHL right now.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 8 @ 9:48 PM ET
I think anyone able to play LW naturally could be valuable to us. A playmaker would be ideal though
- SuperSchennBros


I do agree with this -- damn, does this team need natural wingers in the system with high upside
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 8 @ 9:48 PM ET
I think Kane could be a really good fit. He's got size, speed and he's physical. I think he'd be a good fit on a line with Giroux and Voracek, Couturier & Simmonds or even some kind of combination of those-say with Couturier & Voracek.

I wouldn't go a ton higher than Brayden Schenn and a prospect, unless the Jets added more.

- Jsaquella

I just don't see what he would bring being anywhere near worth what the cost would be.

And I really don't see a line of Kane Coots Simmonds being all that good offensively at even strength.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Feb 8 @ 9:50 PM ET
I do agree with this -- damn, does this team need natural wingers in the system with high upside
- AllInForFlyers

Really hoping Lindblom pans out. He had a great WJC and is carrying that play over for Brynas against men.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 8 @ 9:51 PM ET
I think Kane could be a really good fit. He's got size, speed and he's physical. I think he'd be a good fit on a line with Giroux and Voracek, Couturier & Simmonds or even some kind of combination of those-say with Couturier & Voracek.

I wouldn't go a ton higher than Brayden Schenn and a prospect, unless the Jets added more.

- Jsaquella


At the risk of sounding like I'm overvaluing, I wouldn't do more than Schenn and a mid-round pick, either -- (frank), Schenn gets me 20 goals and 50-ish points right now, why should the Flyers give up anything more?
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 8 @ 9:52 PM ET
Love winning as long as Hextall still deals a couple Dmen for picks. Playoffs are still a huge long shot.
3flyerkids
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Feb 8 @ 9:58 PM ET
Love winning as long as Hextall still deals a couple Dmen for picks. Playoffs are still a huge long shot.
- jstross


Yes, yes, and yes
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 8 @ 9:59 PM ET
I just don't see what he would bring being anywhere near worth what the cost would be.

And I really don't see a line of Kane Coots Simmonds being all that good offensively at even strength.

- hereticpride


I think it could be, provided it's not buried in D-zone starts. Couturier does a good job driving play with Umberger and an ineffective Read on his wings, I think he'd do well with Simmonds and Kane

The return is probably the biggest concern. I do have to say that after hearing the whole incident, his behavior is more concerning to me than it was before. I can understand his being late and wearing the warm up suit, and I can understand his team being upset with him. But to basically ditch the team...before a game, that's worrisome. Says a lot about immaturity.

I'm very willing to give guys second chances, or take on potential headaches if they can play. I had an open mind to Emery back in 2009 & for Zherdev in 2011. But a guy bailing on his team, right before a game...that's some bad juju
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: hockeybuzz superfan, QC
Joined: 01.10.2015

Feb 8 @ 10:00 PM ET
coburn and read for kane. maybe throw in hagg
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 8 @ 10:01 PM ET
At the risk of sounding like I'm overvaluing, I wouldn't do more than Schenn and a mid-round pick, either -- (frank), Schenn gets me 20 goals and 50-ish points right now, why should the Flyers give up anything more?
- AllInForFlyers


See my last post...

Now that the details have come out, I'm a lot more lukewarm on Kane. Schenn is producing similar numbers overall, despite being out of position and he's not a discipline case. He's prone to making poor decisions on the ice at times, but he works hard.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 8 @ 10:03 PM ET
Here's what I see when I consider Evander Kane:

37 GP, 10 g, 12 assists, -1, 19:19 TOI

And then Brayden Schenn:

54 GP, 12 G, 22 assists, -2, 17:07 TOI

Seriously, how aren't these guys the same player -- Kane likely a better goal-scorer, Schenn likely better at playing with his linemates?

But one guy carries a $6 million hit, the other guy a cap hit of $2.5 million?

Again, maybe I'm a little slow, but of all the deals that might be out there, maybe this is one that shouldn't really be considered

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 8 @ 10:03 PM ET
See my last post...

Now that the details have come out, I'm a lot more lukewarm on Kane. Schenn is producing similar numbers overall, despite being out of position and he's not a discipline case. He's prone to making poor decisions on the ice at times, but he works hard.

- Jsaquella

And he's not a (frank) up

We've already had to deal with one headache not too long ago and if another one comes along at the expense of brayden schenn so help me god I will march down broad to the the important people box at the Wells Fargo Center and push hexy over the railing.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 8 @ 10:07 PM ET
Love winning as long as Hextall still deals a couple Dmen for picks. Playoffs are still a huge long shot.
- jstross

I don't think we're making the playoffs either unless another playoff team takes a nose dive but I've seen this team beat the odds many times before.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 8 @ 10:08 PM ET
And he's not a (frank) up

We've already had to deal with one headache not too long ago and if another one comes along at the expense of brayden schenn so help me god I will march down broad to the the important people box at the Wells Fargo Center and push hexy over the railing.

- Giroux_Is_God


No, he isn't a (frank) up. Schenn is a good player. He's still developing, coming along a bit slower than hoped, but he's still a solid player with room to grow.

puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 8 @ 10:10 PM ET
HA! Is he still in the league? He was in MTL last year, right?
- AllInForFlyers


If we deal with the Jets, I see Budaj, not Kane.
Kane would look nice in Orange & Black, but what we're giving up would be too risky.
His attitude is too risky.
I have a gut feeling Mason will be out for a while.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 8 @ 10:11 PM ET
Love winning as long as Hextall still deals a couple Dmen for picks. Playoffs are still a huge long shot.
- jstross




Getting a 2nd rounder in a trade this year would be great. Id do it at the expense of winning!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 8 @ 10:13 PM ET
Here's what I see when I consider Evander Kane:

37 GP, 10 g, 12 assists, -1, 19:19 TOI

And then Brayden Schenn:

54 GP, 12 G, 22 assists, -2, 17:07 TOI

Seriously, how aren't these guys the same player -- Kane likely a better goal-scorer, Schenn likely better at playing with his linemates?

But one guy carries a $6 million hit, the other guy a cap hit of $2.5 million?

Again, maybe I'm a little slow, but of all the deals that might be out there, maybe this is one that shouldn't really be considered

- AllInForFlyers



Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 8 @ 10:16 PM ET
Here's what I see when I consider Evander Kane:

37 GP, 10 g, 12 assists, -1, 19:19 TOI

And then Brayden Schenn:

54 GP, 12 G, 22 assists, -2, 17:07 TOI

Seriously, how aren't these guys the same player -- Kane likely a better goal-scorer, Schenn likely better at playing with his linemates?

But one guy carries a $6 million hit, the other guy a cap hit of $2.5 million?

Again, maybe I'm a little slow, but of all the deals that might be out there, maybe this is one that shouldn't really be considered

- AllInForFlyers

Right there with you big dawg
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 8 @ 10:17 PM ET
No, he isn't a (frank) up. Schenn is a good player. He's still developing, coming along a bit slower than hoped, but he's still a solid player with room to grow.
- Jsaquella

If Schenner finds even a semblance of consistency, he'll quickly cement himself within the unanimous core of this team. I'm one of those who believe he's already undervalued to an extent.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 8 @ 10:21 PM ET

- SuperSchennBros


You can drop smiley faces all you want, but here's the reality: For $6 million per, the Jets are paying for one 30-goal season and a guy who has never reached 20 goals in any other year

That's right. 14 goals, 19, 30, 17, 19 and 10 -- for $6 million dollars

Laugh that off
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 8 @ 10:26 PM ET
Right there with you big dawg
- Giroux_Is_God


Some guys manage to always carry a lot of hype around them, but the numbers just don't bear it out
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 10:28 PM ET
You can drop smiley faces all you want, but here's the reality: For $6 million per, the Jets are paying for one 30-goal season and a guy who has never reached 20 goals in any other year

That's right. 14 goals, 19, 30, 17, 19 and 10 -- for $6 million dollars

Laugh that off

- AllInForFlyers


I agree with the overall point your making, but his cap hit is 5.25M. And it was at one point lower then that earlier in his career. I don't think he's played to that level lately, along with the character risks, and the cost to acquire him, I'd look in another direction.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Feb 8 @ 10:30 PM ET
I agree with the overall point your making, but his cap hit is 5.25M. And it was at one point lower then that earlier in his career. I don't think he's played to that level lately, along with the character risks, and the cost to acquire him, I'd look in another direction.
- MJL


I would have rather have gone for Perron instead.
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