Do the penguins have secondary scoring?

http://hockeyhurts.com/22...what-is-secondary-scoring

I'd say no....
- walshy66

Nice write up, but its obvious our bottom 6 is putrid. I just dont know what else more JR can do this year without mortgaging our future or trading current roster players.

I truly believe our current roster will be the same as we see in the playoffs.

Nice write up, but its obvious our bottom 6 is putrid. I just dont know what else more JR can do this year without mortgaging our future or trading current roster players.

I truly believe our current roster will be the same as we see in the playoffs.
- joescullz

The obvious players could be moved.....

It depends on what you want out of your bottom 6. Scoring or shot suppression.

Nice write up, but its obvious our bottom 6 is putrid. I just dont know what else more JR can do this year without mortgaging our future or trading current roster players.

I truly believe our current roster will be the same as we see in the playoffs.
- joescullz

Never should have left Sundqvist walk.

This offseason I am really hoping to sign Eric Fehr for a 2-3 year deal for 1.5 to 2 million. Throw him on the bottom six for size and scoring. I've always liked him and think he would be a great signing for the pens.

Nice write up, but its obvious our bottom 6 is putrid. I just dont know what else more JR can do this year without mortgaging our future or trading current roster players.

I truly believe our current roster will be the same as we see in the playoffs.
- joescullz

I think it's possible to trade Sutter and Spaling. I'd have no problem moving those guys for UFA's. I think they're both easily replaced for better in FA.

One thing is certain. GMJR can't be looking at this bottom 6 and think it's Cup caliber....whether he can find the cap space to add is another story.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I don't think that's likely. I'm hoping Boychuk goes to FA.

As much as I like Martin, I let him walk. He's a guy that can't afford to lose a step and he's approaching the age where all players lose a step.
- madmike71

I like Boychuk too but I dont think he would sign with us. I think its the island for him or back to Boston. Islanders should and will offer him what he'll want to resign.

Yeah Martin is looking for a retirement package and while I think he is a great and steady dman, he isnt physical enough for my liking considering we have Pouliot and Maata going forward.

I'd like another big tough dman like Despres, which is why I mentioned Methot who is UFA after this year and I doubt resigns in Ottawa.

Goals are not predictive. Also, Red Wings outscored the Pens in the 2009 SC finals.
- jfkst1

I meant in each game.

Also, that comment about not predictive is why the stats are more a form of statistic of form not a science to a player or team. In science I believe predictions are possible due to the research taken & results that show patterns or maths calcs that can theorise when something will occur or where something will occur with limited accuracy.

Do the penguins have secondary scoring?

http://hockeyhurts.com/22...what-is-secondary-scoring

I'd say no....
- walshy66

I've said this before but now you put it in your write up Ill ask again.

I believe when Sid doesn't play other players step up to make up for the offence that Sid won't add due to his absence. When he returns they slip back to follow mode & wait for Sid to go - now obviously he cannot be on every shift but it flows through the lines. When Sid was out with the mumps Downie was on fire getting stars of the game in 2 matches & multiple point games in 2 if my memory serves me correctly.

When you have a dominate force like Sid the other players may not think they need to create just finish - if Sid is well marked then there won't be any finishing.

Against the Pegs The ol 29er commented Perron was playing like Sid & killing it in offence - Sid was suspended for the All star no show.

Pens are F'd

I've said this before but now you put it in your write up Ill ask again.

I believe when Sid doesn't play other players step up to make up for the offence that Sid won't add due to his absence. When he returns they slip back to follow mode & wait for Sid to go - now obviously he cannot be on every shift but it flows through the lines. When Sid was out with the mumps Downie was on fire getting stars of the game in 2 matches & multiple point games in 2 if my memory serves me correctly.

When you have a dominate force like Sid the other players may not think they need to create just finish - if Sid is well marked then there won't be any finishing.

Against the Pegs The ol 29er commented Perron was playing like Sid & killing it in offence - Sid was suspended for the All star no show.
- Aussiepenguin

If you look at it that way, this team can't win as constructed.

If your secondary scorers won't 'step up' when your stars are playing but not scoring then your doomed.

Otherwise you trade your stars away and pray your secondary scoring 'steps up' as you put it.

If you look at it that way, this team can't win as constructed.

If your secondary scorers won't 'step up' when your stars are playing but not scoring then your doomed.

Otherwise you trade your stars away and pray your secondary scoring 'steps up' as you put it.
- walshy66

Or you trade your secondary scoring for different guys

Or you trade your secondary scoring for different guys
- dbell646

Bingo

Or you trade your secondary scoring for different guys
- dbell646

Nah, lets just pack it in and give up

This offseason I am really hoping to sign Eric Fehr for a 2-3 year deal for 1.5 to 2 million. Throw him on the bottom six for size and scoring. I've always liked him and think he would be a great signing for the pens.
- IronCity

I'd love Fehr but he's gonna get more than that. Prob more closer to 3.5ish.

Nah, lets just pack it in and give up
- Guile

There have been a lot of good changes and to be fair, 2015-16 was always going to be better than this season.

We knew we had to change and we did. We are living with what the old regime left us and have done well building a new future. Hornqvist and Perron were really good additions to this team. If Perron can be resigned to a friendly long term deal (in the 4.75-5.2 AAV range) I think we have a great core for another 5 year cup run.

This year was always a proving year, to show a change, reshape the franchise a bit, and get back on track. I think they did that and winning in the playoffs will be a bonus.

Nah, lets just pack it in and give up
- Guile

Tank for Mcdavid

I think it's possible to trade Sutter and Spaling. I'd have no problem moving those guys for UFA's. I think they're both easily replaced for better in FA.

One thing is certain. GMJR can't be looking at this bottom 6 and think it's Cup caliber....whether he can find the cap space to add is another story.
- madmike71

If I had to pick what I thought GMJR is going to do at the deadline, this would be it. Moving Sutter for a rental just to dump the salary. Start over fresh with the bottom 6 in the offseason. Hope BB can show something, Kasper and/or Oscar are ready, and fill in with better 4th line options and perhaps some extra cap space.

There have been a lot of good changes and to be fair, 2015-16 was always going to be better than this season.

We knew we had to change and we did. We are living with what the old regime left us and have done well building a new future. Hornqvist and Perron were really good additions to this team. If Perron can be resigned to a friendly long term deal (in the 4.75-5.2 AAV range) I think we have a great core for another 5 year cup run.

This year was always a proving year, to show a change, reshape the franchise a bit, and get back on track. I think they did that and winning in the playoffs will be a bonus.
- usethe1-2-2

Your sarcasm detection radar must not be working today

If I had to pick what I thought GMJR is going to do at the deadline, this would be it. Moving Sutter for a rental just to dump the salary. Start over fresh with the bottom 6 in the offseason. Hope BB can show something, Kasper and/or Oscar are ready, and fill in with better 4th line options and perhaps some extra cap space.
- 87_71_11_29

#BringBackRust

Your sarcasm detection radar must not be working today
- Guile

It is, I just needed to vent that out this morning and your list made me laugh so I piggybacked it.


Btwx it is clear this team cannot survive without Brian Gibbons. Letting him walk was mistake number one

I'd love Fehr but he's gonna get more than that. Prob more closer to 3.5ish.
- 87_71_11_29

I mean his numbers are not that impressive! I think it can be done for less than 3 million. Although I didn't notice until now that he has 16 goals already this year :ahh: Just 3 years ago he put up 3 points in 35ish games.

This bottom 6 is putrid problem is kinda hilarious to me...

Yes...right now it's not as good as it can be...but just a month or so ago everybody raved about how much improved it was over last year...and last year it was really putrid

Comeau being out has hurt...and other guys are not playing as well as they did have made the problems worse.

But seriously, in the last month or so the Penguins have improved their scoring depth in the top 6 with the addition of Perron and have added 'depth' players as well...although not necessarily scoring depth...in the bottom 6.

Sure in the best case scenario the Penguins find a trading partner for Sutter and they drop some salary in the process.

But the bigger problem...the bigger picture is this

1) 2 guys might be at the top of their games now...Letang and Fleury - the rest are somewhere between good to below satisfactory

2) As long as the Penguins are so top heavy with salary they are always going to struggle with scoring depth because the money to pay players simply isn't there.

Look at the Blackhawks I say. They have better depth than the Pens but that will all be put to a serious test next year, won't it?

I'd love Fehr but he's gonna get more than that. Prob more closer to 3.5ish.
- 87_71_11_29

I am a huge fan of Fehr except when we play him of course. Guy absolutely destroys us every time we play them.

This bottom 6 is putrid problem is kinda hilarious to me...

Yes...right now it's not as good as it can be...but just a month or so ago everybody raved about how much improved it was over last year...and last year it was really putrid

Comeau being out has hurt...and other guys are not playing as well as they did have made the problems worse.

But seriously, in the last month or so the Penguins have improved their scoring depth in the top 6 with the addition of Perron and have added 'depth' players as well...although not necessarily scoring depth...in the bottom 6.

Sure in the best case scenario the Penguins find a trading partner for Sutter and they drop some salary in the process.

But the bigger problem...the bigger picture is this

1) 2 guys might be at the top of their games now...Letang and Fleury - the rest are somewhere between good to below satisfactory

2) As long as the Penguins are so top heavy with salary they are always going to struggle with scoring depth because the money to pay players simply isn't there.

Look at the Blackhawks I say. They have better depth than the Pens but that will all be put to a serious test next year, won't it?
- icedog97

My problem is pens picking a guy off waiver that no other team wanted and now is playing 2nd line with geno while bennett sits... if that was the case then pick up heatley or richards or even seto.... someone who at least use to score..

Once comeau comes back and before trade deadline I'd run

Perron sid horn
Kuni geno comeau
Spaling sutter bennett
Arc lap downie

Now downie and spaling are interchangeable imo.

But if pens can swing a trade for the likes of tlusty and/or jagr (he will be a pen) and send away spaling and/or sutter...

Perron sid horn
Tlusty/bb Geno bb/jagr
Kuni sutter/spaling comeau
Arc lap downie

Would be decent playoff lines

But who knows what they are going to do... but it's fun to think

This bottom 6 is putrid problem is kinda hilarious to me...

Yes...right now it's not as good as it can be...but just a month or so ago everybody raved about how much improved it was over last year...and last year it was really putrid

Comeau being out has hurt...and other guys are not playing as well as they did have made the problems worse.

But seriously, in the last month or so the Penguins have improved their scoring depth in the top 6 with the addition of Perron and have added 'depth' players as well...although not necessarily scoring depth...in the bottom 6.

Sure in the best case scenario the Penguins find a trading partner for Sutter and they drop some salary in the process.

But the bigger problem...the bigger picture is this

1) 2 guys might be at the top of their games now...Letang and Fleury - the rest are somewhere between good to below satisfactory

2) As long as the Penguins are so top heavy with salary they are always going to struggle with scoring depth because the money to pay players simply isn't there.

Look at the Blackhawks I say. They have better depth than the Pens but that will all be put to a serious test next year, won't it?
- icedog97

I really feel like this would solve our problems, look at our team since we traded for this bum, its been awful. He even had Staal's exact line (the best 3rd line in hockey) and pretty much punched their tickets out of town . The guy is destroying our team from inside out.


F Sutter