No way.

The only people I dont trade are Giroux, Voracek and Mason.
I just dont think you get a realistic or equal return for those two and they are basically top line players entering or in their prime.

Everyone else is on the table.
- opeth_pa

I'd consider moving Jake if the return was good enough -- something along the lines of what they got back for Recchi. This team needs more high-quality, high-upside depth.

Do you trade Giroux or Vorachek?
- mayorofangrytown

Unless its a king's ransome coming back, I'd say neither for now. However, if this rebuild takes longer than expected and they are still an average to below average team in a few years, that's a different story. I'm not sure if this was ever confirmed but last July, the belief was that had the Flyers tossed in Simmonds along with Schenn and their 1st, Tallon may have moved the #1 pick to them. That would have set them back a little but also would have given them their true #1 Dman, which are tough to come by. I love Simmonds but that would have been tempting.

Bring him aboard !
- ob18

We can offer him that extra A in his name as enticement.

As much as some people are saying this is all related so reoccuring, which logically it certainly could be, we dont have enough information to say that for sure.

I hate this lower body, upper body BS.
Come out and say "3 degree sprain of the MCL" or something useful.
- opeth_pa

I agree to a certain extent. I don't think he could play at the level he was playing at, including having the ability to make big saves side to side, if he was playing with a significant injury. He keeps having an issue with the knee, which certainly suggests that there is some kind of problem, and they have to figure out what it is, and how to fix it before there is some kind of serious issue.

I like it. Everyone was given 2 get out of jail cards, that's enough. Teams shouldn't be able to hide from bad signings. They get rewarded for good signings. Shouldn't be a one way street
- Just5

I hate that it was ever possible. It really got the Rangers out of a jam with Redden.

Unless its a king's ransome coming back, I'd say neither for now. However, if this rebuild takes longer than expected and they are still an average to below average team in a few years, that's a different story. I'm not sure if this was ever confirmed but last July, the belief was that had the Flyers tossed in Simmonds along with Schenn and their 1st, Tallon may have moved the #1 pick to them. That would have set them back a little but also would have given them their true #1 Dman, which are tough to come by. I love Simmonds but that would have been tempting.
- BOSS_TWEED

I dont know that I would do that with so many defensive prospects in the pipeline.

I wouldn't destroy the offensive depth of the team unless you were getting a proven Number 1 dman under 30 (Weber, Pieterangelo, Doughty types) or someone with a few years (OEL type)

I agree to a certain extent. I don't think he could play at the level he was playing at, including having the ability to make big saves side to side, if he was playing with a significant injury. He keeps having an issue with the knee, which certainly suggests that there is some kind of problem, and they have to figure out what it is, and how to fix it before there is some kind of serious issue.
- MJL

Agreed I am more ranting against the annoying practice that all teams employ with the UBI/LBI approach.

Though I understand that, I hate it.

Unless its a king's ransome coming back, I'd say neither for now. However, if this rebuild takes longer than expected and they are still an average to below average team in a few years, that's a different story. I'm not sure if this was ever confirmed but last July, the belief was that had the Flyers tossed in Simmonds along with Schenn and their 1st, Tallon may have moved the #1 pick to them. That would have set them back a little but also would have given them their true #1 Dman, which are tough to come by. I love Simmonds but that would have been tempting.
- BOSS_TWEED

At the time, Recchi and Lindros were their top two offensive players and they gave up Recchi to get Desjardins and LeClair (+Dionne). If you're looking for the same kind of trade you're moving Giroux or Vorachek for a borderline All -Star Defenseman, a promising power forward and a prospect. Vorachek or Giroux might net you Kane, Trouba and a Morrissey.

Do you think about it?
(edit: Kane is kind of a fly in that ointment)

I hate that it was ever possible. It really got the Rangers out of a jam with Redden.
- Feanor

I'd like to see some more added flexibility. Not carte blanche just to bury every mistake, but player decisions are far from a perfect science, even for the best of talent evaluators and GM's. I like that NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. As much as one would want the team punished for bad signings, why shouldn't a player be expected to hold up his end of the deal?

I'd like to see some more added flexibility. Not carte blanche just to bury every mistake, but player decisions are far from a perfect science, even for the best of talent evaluators and GM's. I like that NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. As much as one would want the team punished for bad signings, why shouldn't a player be expected to hold up his end of the deal?
- MJL

Since the 50/50 split is unlikely to change, I hope the owners claw back a year or two on max contract length in the next CBA. GMs still need to be protected from themselves.

I don't think Redden wanted his level of play to fall off a cliff. It just happened.

More or less. Giroux wore 56 (2 x 28) during his emergency recall. The defensemen usually wear #'s in the 40s/50s. I guess it makes sense, since the higher #'s are rarely used compared to the numbers 2 - 39.
- jmatchett383

Lasse Kukkonen was wearing 28 though. And Laughton wore 21 originally, McGinn started low too. Maybe he chose 79. They gave Harry Z 12 that one year.

I find my self on the wrong side of my beliefs and opinions quite often. I'm flummoxed.
- mayorofangrytown

You just need to stop having your own beliefs and subscribe to other people's. I can provide a specific person if you require.

As much as some people are saying this is all related so reoccuring, which logically it certainly could be, we dont have enough information to say that for sure.

I hate this lower body, upper body BS.
Come out and say "3 degree sprain of the MCL" or something useful.
- opeth_pa

It may well not be a recurring thing. We can only guess. But given what has been said, and the fact that he's out again just sucks.

It's not really an indictment of the medical staff, but it's a worrisome situation. My own opinion is that given the info we have, I think that riding Mason like they have was being a bit careless.

Granted that's going only off the info that's available

I hate that it was ever possible. It really got the Rangers out of a jam with Redden.
- Feanor

I hate that the salary cap exists at all. The reasoning for it (to the fans) was erroneous.

Since the 50/50 split is unlikely to change, I hope the owners claw back a year or two on max contract length in the next CBA. GMs still need to be protected from themselves.

I don't think Redden wanted his level of play to fall off a cliff. It just happened.
- Feanor

I understand that, from the same perspective, a GM didn't want his Free Agent signing to not work out, it just happened. Like I said, can't give out a total get out of jail card, because like you said, GM's will go ape, but I'd like just a little more leeway.

I hate that the salary cap exists at all. The reasoning for it (to the fans) was erroneous.
- jmatchett383

Agree 100%

At the time, Recchi and Lindros were their top two offensive players and they gave up Recchi to get Desjardins and LeClair (+Dionne). If you're looking for the same kind of trade you're moving Giroux or Vorachek for a borderline All -Star Defenseman, a promising power forward and a prospect. Vorachek or Giroux might net you Kane, Trouba and a Morrissey.

Do you think about it?
(edit: Kane is kind of a fly in that ointment)
- mayorofangrytown

The bigger fly is the Jets would never give up two stud D prospects for 1 year of Voracek, and Giroux has an NMC - why would he waive it to spend the next 7 years in Winnipeg?

I think a lot of people on this board would be less stressed out about the current state of the Flyers if they had a more realistic idea of the trade market. There are no quick fixes, so being patient and drafting well is the path to success.

I hate it
- nastyflyergirl

I hate it too, because there is no reason that a team shouldn't be able to buy out a contract of a player it no longer wishes to have in its organization, without penalty.

It is absolutely a false equivalency to say that has to impact a salary cap -- no. Your 23-man game day roster needs to be in compliance, period. That should be the definition of a salary cap.

If a team wants to terminate a contract, there is no reason whatsoever there has to be a punishment attached. The reason there is because small-market teams have less ability to eliminate their errors and to restrict player movement in the first place.

Instead, you have teams and owners with greater financial flexibility being punished instead of teams with less means having to make tough decisions about moving or selling.

It props up those with less for no reason -- baseball doesn't have one. That sport works just fine, with free agents able to move, Kansas City and Pittsburgh and Oakland winning divisions or wild cards and going to the World Series. The most consistent team in the sport is the mid-to-high market St. Louis Cardinals.

One of the worst is the Chcago Cubs. Neither New York team made the playoffs last season, or the year before.

The two biggest lies perpetuated in sport are that salary caps aid competitive balance and that draft order should be determined by order of finish for the same reason.

At the time, Recchi and Lindros were their top two offensive players and they gave up Recchi to get Desjardins and LeClair (+Dionne). If you're looking for the same kind of trade you're moving Giroux or Vorachek for a borderline All -Star Defenseman, a promising power forward and a prospect. Vorachek or Giroux might net you Kane, Trouba and a Morrissey.

Do you think about it?
- mayorofangrytown

Sure, you think about it, but I wouldn't do it for that package right now simply because you are risking a long rebuild. In a couple years if the proper improvement hasnt been shown and the rebuild is already long, I think much harder about it. Of course, by then, much more would be known about Kane, Trouba, & Morrissey. Obviously, at the time of that trade, Clarke didn't realize (nobody did) what he was getting in LeClair.

Blaring loud ad of someone screaming at a dog. My coworkers now think I'm a huge bumhole.

Blaring loud ad of someone screaming at a dog. My coworkers now think I'm a huge bumhole.
- jmatchett383

And how did they feel before?

I hate it too, because there is no reason that a team shouldn't be able to buy out a contract of a player it no longer wishes to have in its organization, without penalty.

It is absolutely a false equivalency to say that has to impact a salary cap -- no. Your 23-man game day roster needs to be in compliance, period. That should be the definition of a salary cap.

If a team wants to terminate a contract, there is no reason whatsoever there has to be a punishment attached. The reason there is because small-market teams have less ability to eliminate their errors and to restrict player movement in the first place.

Instead, you have teams and owners with greater financial flexibility being punished instead of teams with less means having to make tough decisions about moving or selling.

It props up those with less for no reason -- baseball doesn't have one. That sport works just fine, with free agents able to move, Kansas City and Pittsburgh and Oakland winning divisions or wild cards and going to the World Series. The most consistent team in the sport is the mid-to-high market St. Louis Cardinals.

One of the worst is the Chcago Cubs. Neither New York team made the playoffs last season, or the year before.

The two biggest lies perpetuated in sport are that salary caps aid competitive balance and that draft order should be determined by order of finish for the same reason.
- AllInForFlyers

My issues with a cap are numerous.

First, I hate having to know about the value of the Canadian dollar just to have an idea of where the cap might sit. I hate that teams have to jettison good players because they are a bit overpaid.

Mostly I hate that a cap doesn't really solve the issue that some teams face, because the real issue is revenue sharing. What good is a cap when you have 10-15 teams that can't even spend up to it?

It may well not be a recurring thing. We can only guess. But given what has been said, and the fact that he's out again just sucks.

It's not really an indictment of the medical staff, but it's a worrisome situation. My own opinion is that given the info we have, I think that riding Mason like they have was being a bit careless.

Granted that's going only off the info that's available
- Jsaquella

Was there any indication at all in the 65 minutes + 7 shootout rounds Mason played against the Islanders that he looked gimpy or in distress?

If not, it's hard for me to fault the team for starting him again three days later against Washington.

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