i think the price will go down drastically. i expect the return for him to be similar to what we got for heatley.......couple of okay roster players, and a 2nd.

kane has potential, but other than one season, he hasn't lived up to it. his production has been average at best the last couple of years.....he has a fairly sizeable price tag....plus all of the personal issues.

i think other teams know that the jets HAVE to trade kane, and they'll wait the jets out until the asking price comes WAAAAYYY down.
- sensarmy_11

I think the Spezza return is a better and more current example.

NHL Player - Alex Chaisson
Top Prospect - Nick Paul (Alex Guptill)
Pick - 2nd rounder

In my opinion, that wasn't a great haul, but there was some decent pieces. Sens had to deal Spezza before the season started. Close to the asking price for Kane. Sens also wanted a 1st, but had to settle with a 2nd.

The Heatley deal had a lot of money issues factoring in as well. We were going to have to take back salary one way or another. Hence Cheechoo being thrown into the deal. Depending on where Kane goes, that may or may not be an issue, but he isn't making the money Heatley was making.

I think the Spezza return is a better and more current example.

NHL Player - Alex Chaisson
Top Prospect - Nick Paul (Alex Guptill)
Pick - 2nd rounder

In my opinion, that wasn't a great haul, but there was some decent pieces. Sens had to deal Spezza before the season started. Close to the asking price for Kane. Sens also wanted a 1st, but had to settle with a 2nd.

The Heatley deal had a lot of money issues factoring in as well. We were going to have to take back salary one way or another. Hence Cheechoo being thrown into the deal. Depending on where Kane goes, that may or may not be an issue, but he isn't making the money Heatley was making.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

i think a big issue will be the fact that kane is basically viewed as a complete head case at this point.....that will hurt his value. he'll be coming off shoulder surgery, and has had problems staying healthy the last couple of years......that will hurt his value. and most importantly, imo, is the fact that other than one good season, he's basically a 20goal 50pt guy.....really, he's done nothing to show that he's much more than an average 2nd line player. is that really worth all the headaches that come along with kane, plus the ridiculous asking price.

i think the return for kane will be less than what ottawa got for spezza.

Of course they have to sign him, local kid, top 4 D, big and a good skater and EK loves him.

I don't know why people don't think it's important to pay for defence minded players - defence wins you games and championships and is the identity of your team, Methot is part of our limited identity and of course they should sign him. Should of gotten him signed this summer, the entire thing has been a distraction.

They could of had him for 5 x $25 this summer, they'll pay more now and with this being drawn out and a distraction and Dorion making his stupid comments it's just another side show the Sens didn't need.

Mismanagement and if they do trade him this will be a management grenade.

Get him signed

Trade everyone. Makes things interesting

i think a big issue will be the fact that kane is basically viewed as a complete head case at this point.....that will hurt his value. he'll be coming off shoulder surgery, and has had problems staying healthy the last couple of years......that will hurt his value. and most importantly, imo, is the fact that other than one good season, he's basically a 20goal 50pt guy.....really, he's done nothing to show that he's much more than an average 2nd line player. is that really worth all the headaches that come along with kane, plus the ridiculous asking price.

i think the return for kane will be less than what ottawa got for spezza.
- sensarmy_11

Kane will get more then Spezza, the GM has shown in the past he doesn't deal unless he gets what he wants and this won't be a case of Cheve,day off going before the mice every couple of days pandering to the NHL to at least give him a decent return like Murray did with Spezza and Heatley.

Everyone knows that Kane won't be traded unless the jets get what they want - with Heatley band Spezza Murray was basically running a garage sale and trying to get rid items he no longer wanted (or to be more precise no longer wanted to be in Ottawa) and a fraction of the cost.

Could see a Kane for Kessel deal. Seems fair to both sides - head case players with talent.

Kane will get more then Spezza, the GM has shown in the past he doesn't deal unless he gets what he wants and this won't be a case of Cheve,day off going before the mice every couple of days pandering to the NHL to at least give him a decent return like Murray did with Spezza and Heatley.

Everyone knows that Kane won't be traded unless the jets get what they want - with Heatley band Spezza Murray was basically running a garage sale and trying to get rid items he no longer wanted (or to be more precise no longer wanted to be in Ottawa) and a fraction of the cost.

Could see a Kane for Kessel deal. Seems fair to both sides - head case players with talent.
- tuna99

In what world is Kane for Kessel a fair deal... Kane needs to prove he's more then a 50 point player. The guys had what one 30 goal season?

Kane will get more then Spezza, the GM has shown in the past he doesn't deal unless he gets what he wants and this won't be a case of Cheve,day off going before the mice every couple of days pandering to the NHL to at least give him a decent return like Murray did with Spezza and Heatley.

Everyone knows that Kane won't be traded unless the jets get what they want - with Heatley band Spezza Murray was basically running a garage sale and trying to get rid items he no longer wanted (or to be more precise no longer wanted to be in Ottawa) and a fraction of the cost.

Could see a Kane for Kessel deal. Seems fair to both sides - head case players with talent.
- tuna99

first - the only reason chevy has stuck to his guns in the past is that the biggest name player he's EVER traded is johnny oduya. this situation is COMPLETELY different. kane wants out of wpg, the jets HAVE to deal him, and everyone in the league knows it. add to that the fact that he's injured, and a head case, and his value is NOT CLOSE to what the jets expect to get.

second - in what universe is kane and kessl worth even close to the same. kessel is worth 10 times what kane is. kane is an underperforming headcase, who averages less than 20 goals and 50 pts. kessel is an elite level talent, who's always in the top 10 in league scoring. saying kane and kessel are worth the same would be like suggesting that jake gardiner and erik karlsson are worth the same.....it's insane.

first - the only reason chevy has stuck to his guns in the past is that the biggest name player he's EVER traded is johnny oduya. this situation is COMPLETELY different. kane wants out of wpg, the jets HAVE to deal him, and everyone in the league knows it. add to that the fact that he's injured, and a head case, and his value is NOT CLOSE to what the jets expect to get.

second - in what universe is kane and kessl worth even close to the same. kessel is worth 10 times what kane is. kane is an underperforming headcase, who averages less than 20 goals and 50 pts. kessel is an elite level talent, who's always in the top 10 in league scoring. saying kane and kessel are worth the same would be like suggesting that jake gardiner and erik karlsson are worth the same.....it's insane.
- sensarmy_11

Thanks win some games, i would hate the Sens to pick ahead of the leafs!!

Thanks win some games, i would hate the Sens to pick ahead of the leafs!!
- ClarksonDavid

they'll be picking ahead of the leafs, don't worry.

besides, we all know the leafs will be picking crouse, so that he can play with gauthier.........

the biggest trade the jets have ever made with chevaldayoff (sp?) as gm was johnny oduya.......it's a little easier to stick to your guns when you're moving oduya. this situation is COMPLETELY different. the jets have to trade kane, everyone knows it, that destroys his value.
- sensarmy_11

He doesn't have to trade him today - he's injured and is probably in California getting 'treatment'

Let's see how this plays out - Cheveldayoff isn't dealing from a position of weakness because he hasn't said publicly that Kane is on the market. He can hold onto him through trade deadline, the draft, FA and even into training camp - lots of opportunity to dal ahead of him and this won't be a case of the GM coming into the press every couple of weeks playing the 'Poor me for having to trade this player that I like so much' card.

The bruins had to trade Kessel, his teammates hated him and they got a great return. Chevy will play the pressure points and get a GM who falls in love with Kane and he'll get his return and it will be big

Jared, this was excellent. Great job. They're in a tough spot here, and I'm not sure anymore what I would do in BM's situation. It appeared as though Methot was making an improvement, but alas, it's not quite that simple.

man look at the cap hits of players on the habs (besides PK)....same thing with Tampa.... those are contenders for next couple seasons
- AlfieisKing

Pacthes has one of the best contracts in the league.

he absolutely will waiver from it, because he's never going to get that for kane, and he has no choice but to move him. this will be similar to the heatley situation, the jets will get bent over the barrel on this deal.
- sensarmy_11

So michalek, Greening(a former better player cap dump) and a second round pick

In what world is Kane for Kessel a fair deal... Kane needs to prove he's more then a 50 point player. The guys had what one 30 goal season?
- ClarksonDavid

EDIT: Kessel is also wayyy more durable. But he has an unfair amount of extra padding.

If pittsburgh flames out in the playoffs again

Kessel+ for Malkin

they'll be picking ahead of the leafs, don't worry.

besides, we all know the leafs will be picking crouse, so that he can play with gauthier.........
- sensarmy_11

Would hate that pick of it's in the top 5. Mitch Marner I could see them wanting bad, Hunter probably wants him.

EDIT: Kessel is also wayyy more durable. But he has an unfair amount of extra padding.

If pittsburgh flames out in the playoffs again

Kessel+ for Malkin
- david22

It is unfair I would love that, but just cant see Pitts trading him. Never know though. Crosby Kessel would be ridiculous

Trade everyone. Makes things interesting
- ClarksonDavid

To Ottawa:
JVR

To Toronto:
Greening + Mikaulic


bad trades for Terrahhnna are always fun

So michalek, Greening(a former better player cap dump) and a second round pick
- david22

on what planet is greening an "okay nhl roster player"...

if i was using the sens as an example......i bet you the return would be along the lines of

chiasson, cowen, 2nd

on what planet is greening an "okay nhl roster player"...

if i was using the sens as an example......i bet you the return would be along the lines of

chiasson, cowen, 2nd
- sensarmy_11

So michalek, Greening(a former better player cap dump) and a second round pick

I never said that



But, he was the year he scored 17 goals...that specific season

"Cheveldayoff isn't dealing from a position of weakness because he hasn't said publicly that Kane is on the market". -Tuna

Ummm pretty sure he has said that. Is he dealing from a position of strength ?

"Cheveldayoff isn't dealing from a position of weakness because he hasn't said publicly that Kane is on the market". -Tuna

Ummm pretty sure he has said that. Is he dealing from a position of strength ?
- Erik6Karlsson5

He's certainly on the market for a new tracksuit.

"Cheveldayoff isn't dealing from a position of weakness because he hasn't said publicly that Kane is on the market". -Tuna

Ummm pretty sure he has said that. Is he dealing from a position of strength ?
- Erik6Karlsson5

that's like saying murray was dealing heatley from a position of strenght, cuz he never came fully out and said "i want to trade him".......he just made a poop load of calls, received a poop load of calls..............and basically did everything but flat out say it word for word.

cheveldayoff is ABSOLUTELY not dealing from a position of strength.............anyone can see that. every gm in the league knows that kane will never play another game for the jets. they will nickel and dime chevy until the last second, when he's forced to take whatever he can get to avoid having kane in training camp.

I mean, Duncan Keith gets only $5.5M, which makes the Hawks able to afford extra forward depth year after year versus if he was paid market.
- WillieAA

You do realize that was a 13-year extension that was signed in 2009, right? In other words, that contract is literally not permitted by the league anymore, because it subverts the salary cap. Speaking of the Blackhawks, they'll be paying Kane and Toews $10M/yr each starting next season.

The market changes, and you have to pay players what they're worth. You might occasionally get away with a sweetheart deal or two in the short-term, but you can't expect that of players that are within three months of their first UFA opportunity.