Armia is 21 playing on a mediocre/bad AHL team and has 25 points in 33 games. He's a 6'3" winger.

For comparisons:

Jensen is 21 as well and has 18 points in 33 games.
Shinkaruk is 20 and has 15 points in 45 games.


Brendan Lemieux is already 210 pounds as an 18 year old at 6'1". He has 50 points in 46 games on a bad OHL team, including 35 goals. Plus 120 PIM.
- Nucker101

Both WPG and Buf look like teams of the near future

Kane and Bogo fill two big holes
- VANTEL

Bogo would just fill the one you lose by trading Tanev or Edler(probably Tanev, Edler has a NTC).


I'm guessing to potentially beat the Sabres we'd have to offer:

Tanev
2015 First
McCann
One of Virtanen or Horvat
Hansen or Kassian

for

Kane
Bogosian

Kane with Mcdavid, or Reinhart, or girgrenko or girgensons.
- manvanfan

Love how he goes from Winnipeg to Buffalo though after being drama queen.

But yeah, he's probably playing LW with one of them(or Eichel) next year.

Fair enough, but Myers isn't a problem child like Kane and Bogo hasn't played a full season in years. I just feel like the Jets worked over Buffalo in their negotiations. I doubt the Jets got similar offers from other teams, but we can only speculate as usual.
- Nucker101

I think the Jets must have had a significant offer from the Canucks for Kane since it was reported that they called them this morning to tell them they were in on a bigger deal. IMO Buffalo had to make the deal so appealing that the Jets were willing to move Bogosian as well. And I would say Myers is a problem child in that he hasn't lived up to expectations after his rookie season. Still a question mark

Bogo would just fill the one you lose by trading Tanev or Edler(probably Tanev, Edler has a NTC).


I'm guessing to potentially beat the Sabres we'd have to offer:

Tanev
2015 First
McCann
One of Virtanen or Horvat
Hansen or Kassian

for

Kane
Bogosian
- Nucker101

I wouldn't do that because I don't like either of those players haha

Bogo would just fill the one you lose by trading Tanev or Edler(probably Tanev, Edler has a NTC).


I'm guessing to potentially beat the Sabres we'd have to offer:

Tanev
2015 First
McCann
One of Virtanen or Horvat
Hansen or Kassian

for

Kane
Bogosian
- Nucker101

No way Canucks were ever in the ballpark. We all knew we couldn't compete with Ana LA Buff

Armia is 21 playing on a mediocre/bad AHL team and has 25 points in 33 games. He's a 6'3" winger.

For comparisons:

Jensen is 21 as well and has 18 points in 33 games.
Shinkaruk is 20 and has 15 points in 45 games.


Brendan Lemieux is already 210 pounds as an 18 year old at 6'1". He has 50 points in 46 games on a bad OHL team, including 35 goals. Plus 120 PIM.
- Nucker101

I saw Armia in a game or two. Kid moves really well for a big guy. I think he's got some solid upside

Bogo would just fill the one you lose by trading Tanev or Edler(probably Tanev, Edler has a NTC).


I'm guessing to potentially beat the Sabres we'd have to offer:

Tanev
2015 First
McCann
One of Virtanen or Horvat
Hansen or Kassian

for

Kane
Bogosian
- Nucker101

IMO that would be more than the Sabres gave up. They didn't lose any blue chippers. I would say McCann and Armia are somewhat interchangeable. Throw in a late 1st prospect in place of Lemieux

I think the Jets must have had a significant offer from the Canucks for Kane since it was reported that they called them this morning to tell them they were in on a bigger deal. IMO Buffalo had to make the deal so appealing that the Jets were willing to move Bogosian as well. And I would say Myers is a problem child in that he hasn't lived up to expectations after his rookie season. Still a question mark
- bezz44

Myers is the next Dion?

Armia is 21 playing on a mediocre/bad AHL team and has 25 points in 33 games. He's a 6'3" winger.

For comparisons:

Jensen is 21 as well and has 18 points in 33 games.
Shinkaruk is 20 and has 15 points in 45 games.


Brendan Lemieux is already 210 pounds as an 18 year old at 6'1". He has 50 points in 46 games on a bad OHL team, including 35 goals. Plus 120 PIM.
- Nucker101

I loved Lemieux in the last draft, I was hoping he was going to fall.

Guy should have been a first. Great in the offensive zone. Plus Ekblad said he is one of the most annoying guys to play against. Even though they were team mates.

Armia and Lemieux are pretty damn good prospects, in Buffalo it's not a huge deal to lose them, but if we had both in Vancouver we'd be pencilling them both in for future lineups and talking about them weekly.
- Nucker101

This is absolutely true
We don't have much to brag about here in Vancouver

I think everyones missing the best part of this trade, The Sabres got college Goalie Jason Kasdorf of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute!!

IMO that would be more than the Sabres gave up. They didn't lose any blue chippers. I would say McCann and Armia are somewhat interchangeable. Throw in a late 1st prospect in place of Lemieux
- bezz44

Fair enough. Would you guys do that with another 1st added(2016) over Bo/JV?

So:
2015 1st
2016 1st
Tanev
McCann
Hansen/Kassian(one)

for

Bogosian
Kane


No way in hell that I do that, and this is coming from someone who likes Kane as a player.

Myers is the next Dion?
- manvanfan

Who really knows I suppose? But in my eyes the Sabres got the two best players in that deal

Fair enough. Would you guys do that with another 1st added(2016) over Bo/JV?

So:
2015 1st
2016 1st
Tanev
McCann

for

Bogosian
Kane


No way in hell that I do that, and this is coming from someone who likes Kane as a player.
- Nucker101

We're not in a position to do that. That's the main difference. A top 6 fwd and a top 4 d-man (while losing a top 4 d-man) doesn't make us overnight contenders or shave 6 years off our vets

WD turns 58 today.

E Kane on the 1040 today @ 2.10

Who really knows I suppose? But in my eyes the Sabres got the two best players in that deal
- bezz44

I don't really view Bogosian as an upgrade on Myers.

I don't really view Bogosian as an upgrade on Myers.
- Nucker101

I think it's close but I'd rather have Bogosian

Who really knows I suppose? But in my eyes the Sabres got the two best players in that deal
- bezz44

Kane is a good player, not as good as he is made out to be. Bogo and Myers is a wash I think.

The problem is Kane is a mess, Winnipeg is in a playoff spot and want to stay there. Stafford slots in on the 3rd line where Kane used to play. They get two future wingers that have potential and a first round pick.

Kane is a good player, not as good as he is made out to be. Bogo and Myers is a wash I think.

The problem is Kane is a mess, Winnipeg is in a playoff spot and want to stay there. Stafford slots in on the 3rd line where Kane used to play. They get two future wingers that have potential and a first round pick.
- manvanfan

Not saying WPG loses the deal, because they got solid value. Just don't see Buffalo as losers either because they got what they wanted at the expense of some loose pieces they had lying around (talk about an embarrassment of riches)

Not saying WPG loses the deal, because they got solid value. Just don't see Buffalo as losers either because they got what they wanted at the expense of some loose pieces they had lying around (talk about an embarrassment of riches)
- bezz44

Both teams got needs. Buffalo is in clear tank mode and preparing not to suck horribly again next season. Be kind of nice if Van had some prospects so they could make a deal like this. Van needs to just sell everyone this year and get as many prospects as we can. Even LA had 10 picks last year or something. The more picks the more chance we get someone who doesn't suck.

The biggest thing I see, is how Sabres have operated over the last three years. They traded Miller Pomminville Myers Vanek and look at what they got back.

Look where they will be in 2-3 years. Buffalo should be very excited.


Vancouver has moved out LU Schneider and Kesler and our return has been nowhere near that.

Horvat MCCann are solid returns but that is it.


When you do a halfassed rebuild with NTCs this is what you get.

A rebuild should take about 5 years. Canucks may take 8 or 9 seeing they can't even make up their mind that they need one desperately.

Kane is a good player, not as good as he is made out to be. Bogo and Myers is a wash I think.

The problem is Kane is a mess, Winnipeg is in a playoff spot and want to stay there. Stafford slots in on the 3rd line where Kane used to play. They get two future wingers that have potential and a first round pick.
- manvanfan

They have slotted 2 guys in that can find chemistry and help Winnipeg now. Deal was done well before the TDL makes it a win now without a great loss.

I think it's close but I'd rather have Bogosian
- bezz44

I would rather Bogo too.

I think it's close but I'd rather have Bogosian
- bezz44

I also think it's close, but give me Myers since he at least has an excuse for being on a terrible team, and Bogo gets injured at least once per season. Plus the knock on Myers is that he doesn't always use his size, something tells me he'll be more willing to mix it up now on that Jets team who thrive on that style.


Basically it's Stafford, Lemieux, Armia, late 2015 1st for Kane. Stafford is likely a rental, but I bet Buffalo was still going to get some value for him since they were willing to eat half of his salary(maybe a late 2nd or 3rd and mid-round prospect).

Still seems like Buffalo paid close to full value when some assumed Kane would be a discount buy with his off-ice stuff. Even though none of those young assets are proven at the NHL level, both prospects are developing well and have the size/skill that most NHL'ers do.

Remember, the Jets do have some good scouting so I gotta think they were high on both of them and will also land a solid prospect with that 1st.