The problem has really been a combination of things 1) they never had full control of an AHL franchise like they do now 2) they never drafted well up until 2013 when they removed Delorme as their head scout and changed the way they approach the draft 3) over the past ten years they've been one of the most successful franchises in terms of winning
- LeftCoaster

Very true, doesn't help they have been giving away draft picks every year for garbage.

Very true, doesn't help they have been giving away draft picks every year for garbage.
- manvanfan

2010 is the only year (recently) they traded away a 1st round pick, other than that they just drafted late in the draft and didn't put enough stock in the value of late round picks.

Ron Delorme
- classic321

Smoked beef brisket sandwich with homemade Dijon mustard and garlic dill pickles on a herb sandwich hoagie with potato & leek soup and an ice cold Peroni.
- Marwood

Sounded good until the pickle...

What's a Peroni?

The problem has really been a combination of things 1) they never had full control of an AHL franchise like they do now 2) they never drafted well up until 2013 when they removed Delorme as their head scout and changed the way they approach the draft 3) over the past ten years they've been one of the most successful franchises in terms of winning
- LeftCoaster

1) I'm not sure how significant this is, don't all AHL affiliates usually work with their parent club in some regard anyway? And it's not like the Canucks are forcing Travis Green to play the prospects more, he's used Gaunce in the bottom 6 consistently and has him playing as a winger and even made him and Shinkaruk a healthy scratch before.

2) Totally agree here. I don't understand how Delorme is still employed, even if he was demoted I'm still not satisfied as a fan that a scout with his track record is still with the team.

3) Again, fair point. But I'd argue our management constantly trading picks has also hurt the team. I understand why Gillis did it when this was a 1st place team, but the Nonis trades and Gillis trying to salvage our last playoff season with the Roy deal(while also offering picks for Clowe after, thankfully Clowe chose NYR) really screwed this team. Every draft pick is like a lottery ticket, the more you have, the better chance you have on hitting with one. Also hurts that Gillis traded our picks during that strong 2010 draft.

There are other teams who have been in the playoffs consistently over the past 5-10 years with better prospect pools than us.

2010 is the only year (recently) they traded away a 1st round pick, other than that they just drafted late in the draft and didn't put enough stock in the value of late round picks.
- LeftCoaster

They also drafted horribly with that 1st rounder. Would have been better to trade it for trash and let another team pick something better.

Yeah the drafting for years and years was so poor. They could had used Maggy the monkey to spin a wheel.
- manvanfan

Poor would be an understatement......... It's been a F'n disaster
This table outlines the draft from 2005 to 2014 3rd round picks and later.

Look at vancouver, and Yes randomly picking would have better success than we had.

2010 is the only year (recently) they traded away a 1st round pick, other than that they just drafted late in the draft and didn't put enough stock in the value of late round picks.
- LeftCoaster

I believe there was a study then showing that basically after round 3 or 4(forget which was the cutoff point) it's a total crapshoot and basically there's as many NHL players found in round 5 as round 6 or 7.

2nd and 3rd rounders hold significant value to rebuilding teams IMO.

2010 is the only year (recently) they traded away a 1st round pick, other than that they just drafted late in the draft and didn't put enough stock in the value of late round picks.
- LeftCoaster

I think that the team has moved a bunch of 2nds and 3rds as well, which is a place that you can still get a solid player. 17 1st round picks in the last 15 years and only 9 2nd round picks.

Our first pick in the 2010 draft was Patrick McNally(115th overall).

And he's a soon to be free agent if he remains unsigned.

Poor would be an understatement......... It's been a F'n disaster
This table outlines the draft from 2005 to 2014 3rd round picks and later.

Look at vancouver, and Yes randomly picking would have better success than we had.


- classic321

0.00% (frank) me in the goat a$$!

0.00% (frank) me in the goat a$$!
- PetrolSexual

It's why we overrated any decent prospect we get these days, they're just so rare.

1) I'm not sure how significant this is, don't all AHL affiliates usually work with their parent club in some regard anyway? And it's not like the Canucks are forcing Travis Green to play the prospects more, he's used Gaunce in the bottom 6 consistently and has him playing as a winger and even made him and Shinkaruk a healthy scratch before.


- Nucker101

The Moose did develop quite a few players who were not seen as high end talent, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Bieksa, Ruutu, Edler, Raymond where very few guys came out of the Chicago experience.
I know that the wolves were only the farm team for a few years but the nucks players there did not take many steps forward with the exception of Lack.
I'm not sure if that can be directly linked to having a good relationship with the farm team but the Wolves were always known as a team that was trying to win the Calder rather than a developmental team.

Dumb is a bit harsh, perhaps he's saying you're daft?
- LeftCoaster

No, dumb would be hoping for the 1st round pick at the daft.

It's why we overrated any decent prospect we get these days, they're just so rare.
- Nucker101

I'm not sure of draft protocols, or if you allowed to interview players, but If you are allowed to, clearly Vancouver sucks at interviewing candidates to find out if they are driven to make it to the NHL.

It's why we overrated any decent prospect we get these days, they're just so rare.
- Nucker101

Exactly.

Who is managing the Wesley Crushers now?

Sounded good until the pickle...

What's a Peroni?
- Makita

An Italian beer, much like a crisp lager.

You can always take the pickle out, stop sounding like a whiney Maple Leafs fan!

1) I'm not sure how significant this is, don't all AHL affiliates usually work with their parent club in some regard anyway? And it's not like the Canucks are forcing Travis Green to play the prospects more, he's used Gaunce in the bottom 6 consistently and has him playing as a winger and even made him and Shinkaruk a healthy scratch before.

2) Totally agree here. I don't understand how Delorme is still employed, even if he was demoted I'm still not satisfied as a fan that a scout with his track record is still with the team.

3) Again, fair point. But I'd argue our management constantly trading picks has also hurt the team. I understand why Gillis did it when this was a 1st place team, but the Nonis trades and Gillis trying to salvage our last playoff season with the Roy deal(while also offering picks for Clowe after, thankfully Clowe chose NYR) really screwed this team. Every draft pick is like a lottery ticket, the more you have, the better chance you have on hitting with one. Also hurts that Gillis traded our picks during that strong 2010 draft.

There are other teams who have been in the playoffs consistently over the past 5-10 years with better prospect pools than us.
- Nucker101

To your point on #1, what I mean is they didn't own the clubs, Manitoba or Chicago, thus they didn't have full control over decisions made such as ice time with their prospects.

Independent AHL franchises are in the business of winning, meaning they don't give a poop about developing your prospect, to a certain degree, they'll play a veteran line-up and sit your kid if it means winning. It's a business.

Both Manitoba and Chicago were "affiliates" of two teams at one time, Manitoba affiliated with both Dallas and Vancouver (I think) and Chicago affiliated with Atlanta and Vancouver.

I think that the team has moved a bunch of 2nds and 3rds as well, which is a place that you can still get a solid player. 17 1st round picks in the last 15 years and only 9 2nd round picks.
- belcherbd

Since 2007 they've only traded away two 2nd round picks, 2010 and 2011, in 2011 they moved down in the draft acquiring an additional 3rd and 4th round picks.

They just suck at drafting - end of story!!

No we are just waiting for grandma to come and pick up my son.
- thundachunk

Congrats bud. Better make him a HB account now

The problem has really been a combination of things 1) they never had full control of an AHL franchise like they do now 2) they never drafted well up until 2013 when they removed Delorme as their head scout and changed the way they approach the draft 3) over the past ten years they've been one of the most successful franchises in terms of winning
- LeftCoaster

Good analysis

Poor would be an understatement......... It's been a F'n disaster
This table outlines the draft from 2005 to 2014 3rd round picks and later.

Look at vancouver, and Yes randomly picking would have better success than we had.


- classic321

This hurts my brain to even think about..

I believe there was a study then showing that basically after round 3 or 4(forget which was the cutoff point) it's a total crapshoot and basically there's as many NHL players found in round 5 as round 6 or 7.

2nd and 3rd rounders hold significant value to rebuilding teams IMO.
- Nucker101

Significant drop-off

http://www.milehighhockey...5931789/draft-percentages

Poor would be an understatement......... It's been a F'n disaster
This table outlines the draft from 2005 to 2014 3rd round picks and later.

Look at vancouver, and Yes randomly picking would have better success than we had.


- classic321

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- bezz44

Kevin Connauton has played 76 games, just not for the Canucks.