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TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:45 AM ET
I don't want Slats dealing with Winnipeg's GM, that guy is apparently a ninja.
- Pete V

What is the final deal?
RAGSareDANGERus
New York Rangers
Joined: 05.22.2013

Feb 11 @ 11:48 AM ET
Jeez buffalo mods are salty right now. Be careful in there
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:48 AM ET
I don't want Slats dealing with Winnipeg's GM, that guy is apparently a ninja.
- Pete V


I believe he has never made a trade before this despite 2-3 years on the job.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:49 AM ET
I believe he has never made a trade before this despite 2-3 years on the job.
- mrhattrick27

When you lose your virginity, you should go big. He basically went to Vegas and went at it with 10 strippers at once!
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
A couple of things:

First, are the Rangers playing great right now? Not really, but the good thing is that they have managed to avoid any prolonged losing streaks, even when they haven't been playing good hockey. Since Hank has been out, they are 2-1-1, which obviously isn't setting the league on fire, but not bad either.

Second, Cam is a backup for a reason. He is a good backup, but he isn't Hank, and he is going to have games like last night. He was terrible last night, plain and simple, and he is going to have to be better than that for the Rangers to hold level until Hank gets back (hopefully). Indeed, if he hadn't played so poorly last night, I think we would have a much different view of that game. I think the Rangers actually played fairly well.

- Pete V



A win is a win. At this point in the season, and with the circumstances they are saddled with, take the points anyway they can get them.

They were clearly the better team for the first two periods. But Talbot was atrocious last night, as well as half of their defensive core, and they had to sweat it out.

Good games from the Brassard line, the third line and even the fourth line was alright. The Stepan line was horrendous, as was McDonagh, Girardi and John Moore.

MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
Jeez buffalo mods are salty right now. Be careful in there
- RAGSareDANGERus



Can't blame them, this was an absolutely @ss rape by Winnipeg.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:56 AM ET
Can't blame them, this was an absolutely @ss rape by Winnipeg.
- MidnightMarauder


Am I the only one who doesn't think this is so bad for Buffalo?
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:57 AM ET
Can't blame them, this was an absolutely @ss rape by Winnipeg.
- MidnightMarauder


I personally don't think there is much of a difference between Bogosian and Myers.

So, they gave up Armia, Lemieux, a first round pick and Drew Stafford (who probably could have gotten you a 2nd round pick in another trade) for Evander Kane? Man, oh mighty.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:58 AM ET
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is so bad for Buffalo?
- mrhattrick27

If Kane can get his head in order, and you can team him with McDavid. It gets a lot better for them.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:58 AM ET
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is so bad for Buffalo?
- mrhattrick27



You might be.

Which first did the Sabres give Winnipeg? I know they had three before this deal; likely the lowest of the three but Winnipeg really gave up little to get potentially a lot.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:58 AM ET
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is so bad for Buffalo?
- mrhattrick27


You and Ranger Danger. I would fire my GM immediately for making that trade. That's how bad I think it is, and I don't think I'm one who is prone to hyperbole.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Feb 11 @ 12:00 PM ET
You and Ranger Danger. I would fire my GM immediately for making that trade. That's how bad I think it is, and I don't think I'm one who is prone to hyperbole.
- Pete V

That's cause Kane is RangerDanger's love child. If the Rangers traded Kreider I would feel the team who got him would win 100 times out of 100 no matter what the Rangers got
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 12:00 PM ET
I personally don't think there is much of a difference between Bogosian and Myers.

So, they gave up Armia, Lemieux, a first round pick and Drew Stafford (who probably could have gotten you a 2nd round pick in another trade) for Evander Kane? Man, oh mighty.

- Pete V



Agreed, the defensemen involved in this deal cancel each other out.

This deal looks so lopsided right now but it serves Buffalo well in the sense they are trying to tank and land Eichel or McDavid. They are almost guaranteed to finish with the worst record in the east now.

But if Kane never gets his head out of his @ss then this trade is one of the most one sided in the modern era; even if Armia and Lemiex only turn into depth NHLers.
RAGSareDANGERus
New York Rangers
Joined: 05.22.2013

Feb 11 @ 12:00 PM ET
You and Ranger Danger. I would fire my GM immediately for making that trade. That's how bad I think it is, and I don't think I'm one who is prone to hyperbole.
- Pete V

This also makes the Sabres worse this year. Higher chance of picking mcdavid.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 12:02 PM ET
You and Ranger Danger. I would fire my GM immediately for making that trade. That's how bad I think it is, and I don't think I'm one who is prone to hyperbole.
- Pete V



Hard to defend this deal from the Sabres standpoint. They didn't need to make this move to likely draft in the top two or three this June. They gave away two solid prospects, one potential solid prospect and Stafford for a headcase with one good season under his belt.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Feb 11 @ 12:03 PM ET
this is some wild ass trade
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 12:03 PM ET
This also makes the Sabres worse this year. Higher chance of picking mcdavid.
- RAGSareDANGERus


They could have accomplished the same thing by selling off players for picks, without getting absolutely fleeced in the process.
NashtyLight
New York Rangers
Location: Yes, That's Nash and Linda Cohn on a date, NY
Joined: 09.11.2014

Feb 11 @ 12:03 PM ET
Am I the only one who doesn't think this is so bad for Buffalo?
- mrhattrick27


I have a feeling that Buffalo will not be keeping Mr. Kane around for too long. They can still turn him into a boat load of assets. If the deal turns into Tyler Myers, Stafford, Armia, and Lemieux, plus a First for Bogo, "2 roster players", and a pick I see this as a great trade for Buffalo. Gives them a nice dman in Bogo, depending on who they get as roster players the work ethic or vet presence they need, plus a pick. Now, is this going to happen, who knows, but we have to remember that Buffalo is in the process of a MAJOR rebuild. I don't think the front office would consider this trade if they didn't have something up their sleeve...
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Feb 11 @ 12:03 PM ET
Jeez buffalo mods are salty right now. Be careful in there
- RAGSareDANGERus



They ban your brother?
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 11 @ 12:04 PM ET
You and Ranger Danger. I would fire my GM immediately for making that trade. That's how bad I think it is, and I don't think I'm one who is prone to hyperbole.
- Pete V


I just think really strong power forwards like Kane are extremely rare commodities. I remember when we used to talk about how to get one of those and it came down to trying to acquire one of 4 people of that mold. For Buffalo you take the risk. If he gets his head straight and plays to his talent level Buffalo acquired a player that aren't exactly available often.

And apparently from an advance stat standpoint, Evander Kane is on par with Patrick Kane for 5v5 scoring since 2011.... He just isn't always healthy. If this is Seguin 2.0 in terms of a wake up call then Buff wins this one man.
rferrone
New York Rangers
Joined: 01.29.2014

Feb 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
I have a feeling that Buffalo will not be keeping Mr. Kane around for too long. They can still turn him into a boat load of assets. If the deal turns into Tyler Myers, Stafford, Armia, and Lemieux, plus a First for Bogo, "2 roster players", and a pick I see this as a great trade for Buffalo. Gives them a nice dman in Bogo, depending on who they get as roster players the work ethic or vet presence they need, plus a pick. Now, is this going to happen, who knows, but we have to remember that Buffalo is in the process of a MAJOR rebuild. I don't think the front office would consider this trade if they didn't have something up their sleeve...
- NashtyLight


kane is also only 23 and could be part of the rebuild. Bogo is only 24
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
This also makes the Sabres worse this year. Higher chance of picking mcdavid.
- RAGSareDANGERus



The only team currently on par with their sh!tty record is Edmonton. No other team is within ten points of them. They didn't need to do this to assure themselves of McDavid or Eichel.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Feb 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
I just think really strong power forwards like Kane are extremely rare commodities. I remember when we used to talk about how to get one of those and it came down to trying to acquire one of 4 people of that mold. For Buffalo you take the risk. If he gets his head straight and plays to his talent level Buffalo acquired a player that aren't exactly available often.

And apparently from an advance stat standpoint, Evander Kane is on par with Patrick Kane for 5v5 scoring since 2011.... He just isn't always healthy. If this is Seguin 2.0 in terms of a wake up call then Buff wins this one man.

- mrhattrick27



I don't think anyone is doubting his ability and potential. Just that he seems like a (frank)ing punk who doesn't give a poop about anyone else but himself.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Feb 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
this is some wild ass trade
- jimbro83



Wild as in terrible if you are a Sabres fan. How did the league approve this?
RAGSareDANGERus
New York Rangers
Joined: 05.22.2013

Feb 11 @ 12:07 PM ET
They could have accomplished the same thing by selling off players for picks, without getting absolutely fleeced in the process.
- Pete V

It's too early to say who won or lost this deal. I agree that it's an overpayment by buffalo, but of Kane figures it out and Bogo who was once a highly touted player reaches his potential, the Sabres will have done alright.

I don't think the market for Myers was as good as buffalo fans led everyone to believe.
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