I'm trying to match Garth's blog postings on the numerous sky high returns that Tyler Myers was going to bring. Seriously though, aren't you at all worried that you've traded a boatload for a guy who really doesn't seem all that interested in becoming a better hockey player and team guy?
- Isles_since_6

This is how I interpret what went on in GMTM's brain before inking the deal:

To Winnipeg:

Myers - Easily, our biggest chip dealt in this trade. Eats minutes, poise in defensive zone while breaking out, little offensive upside with no shot from the point & crumbles when he get's near the net.
Stafford - UFA, not in our future plans - who cares
Armia - IMO our 2nd biggest piece though he is injury prone & is still rather unproven. May not even have a spot for him in top 6 come time he is ready for NHL. Need to make room on Amerks for other prospects coming out of juniors and college
Lemieux - I think he has been a bit over valued. Still playing juniors and was a 2nd round pick. Likely projects into a 3rd line scoring/checking role IMO
Blues/Islanders 1st - I'm assuming this will be the blues pick somewhere between 25-30th and who needs it when we are likely picking 31st plus the two picks in the first round, our own & the Islanders which I'm predicting to be lower 20th-ish

It is not that easy to say. McDavid is not a big guy. Look at Drouin, everyone said he would play last year. Then you hear the pundits and scouts say Pat Kane and Perron back in 2007 are two to three years away from playing in the NHL. The both played the same season they were drafted.

You also have to see how the team looks going into next season. Do you want to have a young player learning to win or to lose? That was oart of Edmonton's problem rushing players. Yes they were skilled enough for the NHL but the transition should be smoother. The Sabres next season will have three to four young centers ready for the NHL. All very talented but inexperienced. That is a recipe for an up and down season. Who will be their goaltender how does the defense look? If you consider the best way to build a team is down the center. They will have the pieces but the pieces will not yet be ripe.
- BluemanGuruu

These guys are wrecking the leagues they're in... maybe Eichel can go the AHL route, but McDavid? What's he got left to learn in the CHL?

Then look at the marketing side of things, your team just drafted a guy 1st overall, and you're not going to give the fans a taste ASAP?

I know that shouldn't be a concern, but these teams are businesses.

Wanting to develop guys further is smart, but with these top picks, and the way the CHL/AHL/NHL transfer system is set up, they're gonna go straight to the main team.

On the surface it appears that because of the quantity given out by the Sabres that Winnipeg won the trade hands down. If all players involved reach their full potential then it's pretty even. Winnipeg has a better chance to have their end to pan out but only time will tell.

Being thin at right wing.... I wonder what's next. Anyone have any ideas for rw whether in house or via trade???

Now that Kane is here for next year can we get O'Reilly by sending Grigorenko, Stewart, 2015 2nd and Gorges ? I'd love to have O'Reilly here and with the Parameters set in the Kane trade for a young seasoned forward but without any other assets coming back do you think this would make a deal ? Roy knows Grigs, needs D (Gorges), replace O'Reilly (albeit not quite in Stewart) . Without anything else coming to the Sabres it allows them to keep the extra prospect and get by with 2nd rounder.

The 2 options are "Love this trade" and "Hate this trade?" Can't be somewhere in between?

I think the Sabres got the best player in the trade (Bogo) but I'd give the slight edge to Winnipeg (especially in the short term). Time will tell who won in the end. A lot of potential for potential.

Very very good deal for both teams.

Winnipeg got full value on Kane and Bogosian.

People complaining because Buffalo gave a lot????? At some point in a rebuild you have to ice a hockey team. Buffalo essentially turned Myers into Kane and Bogosian.

The prospects and the first? Spare change for a rich team in term of prospects and picks like buffalo. They could pull another deal like that and still be stacked in picks/prospects.

Murray want a hockey team, sabres fans too. They will get a good one sooner than later.

Proper rebuild

Honestly one solid trade for both general managers in this deal. I am sure Chevy really didn't want to rid himself of Bogo and Murray didn't want to give up as many assets in one deal. Winnipeg can now push this year and move on from the Kane debacle with some grace and Buffalo gets two young possible stars for the soon to be future. Murray is very astute in judging talent and similar to Regier in that he waits for best deal. I am glad he pulled the trigger on this one and I am sure we will see 2-3 smaller deals here shortly to recoup some of the booty sent out.

This is how I interpret what went on in GMTM's brain before inking the deal:

To Winnipeg:

Myers - Easily, our biggest chip dealt in this trade. Eats minutes, poise in defensive zone while breaking out, little offensive upside with no shot from the point & crumbles when he get's near the net.
Stafford - UFA, not in our future plans - who cares
Armia - IMO our 2nd biggest piece though he is injury prone & is still rather unproven. May not even have a spot for him in top 6 come time he is ready for NHL. Need to make room on Amerks for other prospects coming out of juniors and college
Lemieux - I think he has been a bit over valued. Still playing juniors and was a 2nd round pick. Likely projects into a 3rd line scoring/checking role IMO
Blues/Islanders 1st - I'm assuming this will be the blues pick somewhere between 25-30th and who needs it when we are likely picking 31st plus the two picks in the first round, our own & the Islanders which I'm predicting to be lower 20th-ish





- SayBeers

That's actually a pretty good breakdown, I appreciate that

Where's our expert on that topic? I'm wondering if he thought this was the OVERPAYMENT he envisioned. If not, FINE!
- druryisclutch

What I like is Meyers being in Winnipeg over Bogasian. Bogisian is a far superior dman who has never fully realized his offensive capability. Meyers is good, but he is so easy to knock off of the puck. Meyers will be hurt playing in the West in short order. Which is good because Winnipeg is a dangerous team.

Other than that Winnipeg is hands down the winner of this trade. Unless Kane suddnly grows up, which is always possible. But keep in mind the people of Buffalo will not keep their arms opened if he pulls some of the same antics as he did, especially with all that was given up to obtain him.

Suddenly Winnipeg has more forward depth. Armania is scary. Truth be told I would rather have him, Lemiux and whatever first rounder on my team than Kane.

Buffalo frees themselves of Meyers and gets a legitimate top two dman and a winger who can score if he can focus on hockey and stay healthy.

Sorry Buffalo fans. I really liked Kane as a player a few years ago. Maybe it has been the shoulder? But he did not look good or stay healthy the past two seasons and we got to see more of him in the West. If he is engaged he is a power forward with superior speed, great on the forecheck and if you can get him the puck in transition he can be a deadly sniper. He has some creativity but his vision is just plus, considering the best vision in the game is the other Kane.

What could really be a coup is when the Black Hawks flunder in the post season and the cap does not go up much. Then let the Kane for Kane plus rumors begin. and the thoughts of McDavid and Pat Kane on the same line. That is as long as McDavid or Eichel do not end up another Stefan or Diagle.
- BluemanGuruu

"Kane for Kane"? WTF? Are you drunk? No, seriously...
"really liked him as a player a few years ago" - like when he was 20 years old?
Why do you insist on continually comparing him to P. Kane? It it easy because of the name?
Bogosian is "far Superior".....based on what? Statistically, they are nearly the same player save for one season.

Armania IS scary. Is it a place? A person? A secret fantasy world of yours?

Ugh.

I love how people view this is only a risk for Buffalo. The same people running around the buffalo blog doing the i told you so on myers' trade value are the same people saying the Jets fleeced the sabres? Is that based on the combined total of 1 nhl gp of Armia and Lemieux?

Breaking News:
Kane requests trade out of Buffalo.

I can tell you one thing. Winnipeg is already a team that many players from other teams have said they they don't look forward to playing. Likely the biggest team in the league , fast and hard hitting and hard working. Most opponents walk away battered and bruised after playing the Jets. Taken also the most penalties by a big margin. Now they just got a 6' 8' monster Myers on defense to compliment an already formidable crew. The only one under 6'2" is Enstrom. Bodes well in a playoff series. They are still on the hunt for a 3rd/4th line LW and they will be the complete package. They have any combo of Postma/Pardy/Harrisson and an extra first round pick ( and lots of cap space) to get just about anyone they want to finish the puzzle. You can expect one more deal coming before the deadline.

Chevy has done a great job !

Look at this size.....

Dustin Byfuglien 6' 5" 260
Ben Chiarot 6' 3" 215
Toby Enstrom 5' 10" 180
Jay Harrison 6' 4" 220
Tyler Myers 6' 8" 219
Adam Pardy 6' 4" 227
Paul Postma 6' 3" 195
Mark Stuart 6' 2" 213
Jacob Trouba 6' 2" 200

Here are some of the forwards....

67 Michael Frolik 6' 1" 200
21 TJ Galiardi 6' 2" 185
16 Andrew Ladd 6' 3" 200
17 Adam Lowry 6' 5" 207
14 Anthony Peluso 6' 3" 235
55 Mark Scheifele 6' 3" 198
12 Drew Stafford 6' 2" 214
22 Chris Thorburn 6' 3" 235
26 Blake Wheeler " 6' 5" 225

In the end, Myers needed a change of scenery. He's 25 years old and is about to enter the prime years of his NHL career. His struggles with self confidence and his physical conditioning corrupted his game for decent chunks of time since the lockout ended in 2013

up until yesterday, myers was a total beast/top pairing stud without any flaws that's gonna net an insane return.
now all of a sudden he has confidence issues and his physical conditioning is corrupting his game.

while kane is now a wrecking ball, super power forward with no flaws.

awesome

at least he doesn't hide is laughable homeristic and biased opinions.

Garth mentioned Kane lining up with McDavid or Eichel and Moulson... Who knows if Eichel will even be ready to play in the NHL right away next season. And after next year, Kane only has another year left on his deal if I'm not mistaken. And we all know he won't stay in Buffalo. Stop acting like the Sabres will be a threat any time soon, let alone in the next 5 years.
- aborody

It's widely presumed Eichel and McDavid will be ready to not only play, but excel. Kane has three years left. Good players want to play with good players so I'd bet he stays if he's got a stud setting him up w/ tap-ins. We shall see though.

As for the Sabres being able to compete, let's just see how the offseason plays-out. The rebuild ends with this season's tank.

I love how people view this is only a risk for Buffalo. The same people running around the buffalo blog doing the i told you so on myers' trade value are the same people saying the Jets fleeced the sabres? Is that based on the combined total of 1 nhl gp of Armia and Lemieux?
- Sabresfan-365

I don't think the sabres got fleeced. I think they took a big risk, but people just love to be haters.

as far as the trade value on myers though; I told you so....

It's widely presumed Eichel and McDavid will be ready to not only play, but excel. Kane has three years left. Good players want to play with good players so I'd bet he stays if he's got a stud setting him up w/ tap-ins. We shall see though.

As for the Sabres being able to compete, let's just see how the offseason plays-out. The rebuild ends with this season's tank.
- dacks

the guy that covers eichel/BU for hockeybuzz (pretty solid writer) doesn't think eichel will be ready next year.

but I haven't heard one person say mcdavid isn't. from any publication or scout or coach. his pedigree alone almost makes him a lock to play in the show next year

eichel looks great and whoever gets him is gonna be stoked, but hes the consolation prize.
at the moment; mcdavid is in a class by himself

Well love it or hate it, this is why we wanted Tim Murray as our GM. Smart and aggressive. Look, I've been a fan of Myers and I'm a little concerned about giving up solid prospects in Lemieux and Armia, but you have to look at what we're getting back.

It's not just Kane (the 4th overall pick in 2009) but also Bogosian (3rd overall pick in 2008). Those are two cornerstone pieces for the Sabres moving forward. I'm kind of surprised Chevy would part with Bogosian.....
- notalent

Crazy trade.

I just want to thank you guys for taking our two players with the lowest hockey IQ on the team. Good players yes, but hockey IQ no.

I saw an interview with Bogosian two years ago and he was asked what his favorite hockey team was. His answer was that he wasn't in to hockey and never waatched it. That was a huge red flag for me.

Hope Myers can turn it around in the peg!

I don't think the sabres got fleeced. I think they took a big risk, but people just love to be haters.

as far as the trade value on myers though; I told you so....
- hugefemaledog77

No, Tim Murray got fleeced. Just look at what Kane said today about his injuries . It certainly doesn't give you a good feeling about his injury problems going forward.....

......."I had it [shoulder injury] last year and it got worse over the last two months," Kane said. "And actually, when they went in there to do the surgery, they found a hole in my shoulder as well and some other things they had to fix. It was a little more complicated than everyone thought at first, so it's really good we got it fixed now.

Kane says the shoulder problem got so bad last week that he couldn't bare it anymore.

"It's just common sense that I would have wanted to play in my hometown in front of friends and family where I know everyone has tickets to the game," said Kane, who played through a fracture ankle and a fractured hand this season. "Of course I would have wanted to. But unfortunately, it comes to a point where you just can't do it anymore because of the things I was going through. I couldn't do what I needed to do out there. It (his shoulder) would come out twice in a period, once a period, sometimes it wouldn't come out. It was tough to judge and get a feel for it."

Added Kane for emphasis: "After the break, we played in Philadelphia, our second game back, it came out twice in the third period and it just became harder and harder to continue. It was getting worse. I didn't want to put myself in a situation where it would become possibly career-threatening or maybe not be able to recover fully."

Crazy trade.

I just want to thank you guys for taking our two players with the lowest hockey IQ on the team. Good players yes, but hockey IQ no.

I saw an interview with Bogosian two years ago and he was asked what his favorite hockey team was. His answer was that he wasn't in to hockey and never waatched it. That was a huge red flag for me.

Hope Myers can turn it around in the peg!
- Tagleeandeddy

Thanks for taking our player with the lowest hockey IQ. Enjoy the endless empty passes and having the pucks taken away in the D corners.

Thanks for taking our player with the lowest hockey IQ. Enjoy the endless empty passes and having the pucks taken away in the D corners.
- GilPerreault11

2 for 1 ain't bad.

I honestly know nothing directly of Myers' play nor Stafford, but Myers won't be facing the top competition in Winnipeg, so hopefully that will help him out a bit.

Now what to do with my Kane jersey.....

Very very good deal for both teams.

Winnipeg got full value on Kane and Bogosian.

People complaining because Buffalo gave a lot????? At some point in a rebuild you have to ice a hockey team. Buffalo essentially turned Myers into Kane and Bogosian.

The prospects and the first? Spare change for a rich team in term of prospects and picks like buffalo. They could pull another deal like that and still be stacked in picks/prospects.

Murray want a hockey team, sabres fans too. They will get a good one sooner than later.

Proper rebuild
- Toball777

Solid post.

No, Tim Murray got fleeced. Just look at what Kane said today about his injuries . It certainly doesn't give you a good feeling about his injury problems going forward.....

......."I had it
- jetsnation[shoulder injury] last year and it got worse over the last two months," Kane said. "And actually, when they went in there to do the surgery, they found a hole in my shoulder as well and some other things they had to fix. It was a little more complicated than everyone thought at first, so it's really good we got it fixed now.

Kane says the shoulder problem got so bad last week that he couldn't bare it anymore.

"It's just common sense that I would have wanted to play in my hometown in front of friends and family where I know everyone has tickets to the game," said Kane, who played through a fracture ankle and a fractured hand this season. "Of course I would have wanted to. But unfortunately, it comes to a point where you just can't do it anymore because of the things I was going through. I couldn't do what I needed to do out there. It (his shoulder) would come out twice in a period, once a period, sometimes it wouldn't come out. It was tough to judge and get a feel for it."

Added Kane for emphasis: "After the break, we played in Philadelphia, our second game back, it came out twice in the third period and it just became harder and harder to continue. It was getting worse. I didn't want to put myself in a situation where it would become possibly career-threatening or maybe not be able to recover fully."

But he said it's fixed now.

he certainly wouldn't be the first guy to come back from surgery and play well.your whole post is based around him being ruined.
but that's all conjecture

I think the Sabres gave up a bit too much. (Honestly, I dislike the Enroth trade more than this one; thought we could have gotten more.)

But the best part of the trade is that Garth can finally stop writing blogs about trying to trade Myers for whatever.