How quickly the tune of "how good Myers is" has turned is astonishing.
- DDM-Coga

I do believe the Jets won as I am on the T Meyers bandwagon. Kids got way more natural talent than Chara ever had, and it wasn't until Chara was in his mid to late twenties (on solid teams) that he really came into his own. Maybe he'll never be a Norris winner but id be surprised if he wasn't a legit #1 sooner than later

Edit: There's also a very good chance (if this draft is as advertised) that the Jets could end up with another forward just as good as Evander. Remember, guys like Perry, Bergeron and Weber going late 1st/2nd in the "comparable" 03 draft

I'm replying to a post that a Sabre fan is saying Myers is not a good defenseman. Why the sudden change of heart? I have seen a grand total of 3 Sabre fans say that all season now that number has grown exponentially I like many other people are wondering why the sudden change of heart? What does my age have anything to do with this? It's a legitimate question. Why are you so defensive I think is the real question?
- Cptmjl

Youve been keeping track this entire season? haha i hear you though. Trust me I was not one of the sabres fans on here constantly repeating that trading for Myers would require "massive overpayment". There were even some on here saying that they wouldnt trade Myers for Hall. Im glad it is over with now and Im happy with the return

I do believe the Jets won as I am on the T Meyers bandwagon. Kids got way more natural talent than Chara ever had, and it wasn't until Chara was in his mid to late twenties (on solid teams) that he really came into his own. Maybe he'll never be a Norris winner but id be surprised if he wasn't a legit #1 sooner than later
- Shaundre93

I think Myers is just now in the perfect position for him to really excel. In a deep Top 4 as a strong number 3.

Similar to Shattenkirk in St Louis. If he is your number 1-2 guy he doesnt produce the way he does, put him on the 2nd pairing behind Petro and Jay-Bo and with a respectable partner, and the guy can just exploit the match up game. Great Dman but you cant build a top pairing around him

Wouldn't be so defensive if I didn't see the same post on every blog... I understand where you're coming from; and honestly I don't know how to feel about the trade. I, like many others, believe Myers has some potential. I guess it's not a change of heart for fans; it's dealing with accepting a trade, just being a fan of the team and being positive about it. None of us can change what happened yesterday, so obviously people want to make themselves feel good about it. I do believe we gave up way too much; but we also got two really good players. We will see I guess, I think you'd see a similar reaction to most fans of any team.
- jackoc150

Not sure really? There were a lot of people saying that Myers was a first pairing yada yada yada you heard it all before no reason to get back into it but there seems to be a complete shift in people's views? I've never seen one so drastic before and inquiring minds want to know!?!?!? All kidding aside I like Bogo better than Myers the rest of the trade I don't like IMO of course. Too much risk with Kane for multiple reasons IMO. It could work of course but there's nothing telling me or anyone else that it would if you know what I mean?

the only winners are people who don't know of this sites existence
- SabreNation

yeah, because they don't have to read your posts

Youve been keeping track this entire season? haha i hear you though. Trust me I was not one of the sabres fans on here constantly repeating that trading for Myers would require "massive overpayment". There were even some on here saying that they wouldnt trade Myers for Hall. Im glad it is over with now and Im happy with the return
- MCGUIZZY

You were one of the three guys that WAS NOT on the Myers "first pairing massive overpayment" train. I won't mention the other 2 but they know who they are. I actually acknowledged one of the other 2 yesterday

yeah, because they don't have to read your posts
- BulliesPhan87

sorry, this made me laugh...........they will immediately impact the team, in the future.
- sensarmy_11

Well I mean Kane is out lol and he is helping by not playing. I'd be pissed if they traded for him if he wasnt out for the year.

Funny how most Sabre fans on this site would have said NO to this trade if it were Myers for everyone from Winninpeg 2 days ago. They would have said it wasn't enough of an overpayment for such a high caliber firt pariring defenseman like Myers. Do you know how many minutes he logs every night!?!?!?!?! Now the Jets lost this deal even though you traded Myers, 2 of your top winger prospects, a first and Stafford

Now I'm sure you're not one of "those" sabre "fans since they have all of a sudden vansihed from existence but come on. After everything we've all heard from most of this fan base how can any of you possibly say you won this trade?
- Cptmjl

I'm on the Sabres area often and it was always hostile with myers lovers and myers realist. I think they could have gotten more for him to be honest but it is what it is. Myers has more worth than Bogs. That doesn't mean he currently is better though.

Not sure really? There were a lot of people saying that Myers was a first pairing yada yada yada you heard it all before no reason to get back into it but there seems to be a complete shift in people's views? I've never seen one so drastic before and inquiring minds want to know!?!?!? All kidding aside I like Bogo better than Myers the rest of the trade I don't like IMO of course. Too much risk with Kane for multiple reasons IMO. It could work of course but there's nothing telling me or anyone else that it would if you know what I mean?
- Cptmjl

I agree with you, but as you know, we have some crazy sabres people that literally sit on their computer all day believing things that Garth says... I never thought Myers could pry more than one talented or "very promising player" out of an org. I like Myers but if you look at numbers alone he isn't worth it, being big doesn't mean you're going to be like Chara... I know what you mean; crossing our fingers it all works out in Buffalo, I also hope Myers has a great career.

Well I mean Kane is out lol and he is helping by not playing. I'd be pissed if they traded for him if he wasnt out for the year.
- Smittyx36

lol, i know.....i was just (frank)ing with you.

The Sabres win right now because they have two players that will immediately impact the team next season. Kane is a top 6 guy. Bogs is a top 4 Dman and personally I feel an upgrade over Myers.

The Jets can win this trade in the long run if Armia, Lemieux, or the 1st rounder turn into a 1st or 2nd liner that produces. Stafford is a rental and could be helpful but I doubt he will help much. Myers is the big question mark. Can he play better on a better team? Can he be that guy that people saw in his rookie season? No one knows. So there is a lot of risk with taking him.
- Smittyx36

That's some mental gymnastics right there. Buffalo loses now and in the future.

That's some mental gymnastics right there. Buffalo loses now and in the future.
- SpoiledByOil

Dont be upset that we "one upped" you guys

I'm on the Sabres area often and it was always hostile with myers lovers and myers realist. I think they could have gotten more for him to be honest but it is what it is. Myers has more worth than Bogs. That doesn't mean he currently is better though.
- Smittyx36

Ok so now my number is up to 4. How do you win this trade if Myers has more worth than Bogs(I actually like Bogs better)? How does this make sense for a team that is rebuilding? I'm not sure if another team would have traded their best 2 prospects on the wing and a late 2015 first for Kane especially now that he just had surgery? I'm just wondering what makes you think the Sabres won this trade?

You were one of the three guys that WAS NOT on the Myers "first pairing massive overpayment" train. I won't mention the other 2 but they know who they are. I actually acknowledged one of the other 2 yesterday
- Cptmjl

Oh wow Hahaha yea man. There is a part of me that is happy hes gone just so I can stop listening to the ridiculous over valuations

Oh wow Hahaha yea man. There is a part of me that is happy hes gone just so I can stop listening to the ridiculous over valuations
- MCGUIZZY

it'll be nice not to hear sabres fans saying mantha, tatar and a 1st or we keep him

I think with every daily garth blog it grew more ridiculous and a good chunk of the sabres fan base were marching right behind him waving signs saying "NOT ENOUGH"

it'll be nice not to hear sabres fans saying mantha, tatar and a 1st or we keep him

I think with every daily garth blog it grew more ridiculous and a good chunk of the sabres fan base were marching right behind him waving signs saying "NOT ENOUGH"
- Isles_since_6

"FINE, WE WILL KEEP HIM THEN!" was my favorite from a certain someone who has mysteriously vanished from this site since the trade

I like the trade for both teams. People always want to find the 'winner' in these deals, but I don't think either team loses regardless of how each player pans out the next few years.

Ok so now my number is up to 4. How do you win this trade if Myers has more worth than Bogs? How does this make sense for a team that is rebuilding? I'm not sure if another team would have traded their best 2 prospects on the wing and a late 2015 first for Kane especially now that he just had surgery? I'm just wondering what makes you think the Sabres won this trade?
- Cptmjl

I'm fully expecting Kane to recover and be healthy for next season. As for rebuilding I think this was TM's way of speeding the rebuild up. We would have had to wait 2-3 years for Armia if he ever turns out "someone with injury issues already" and even longer for Lemeiux. I believe Murray wants this team to compete for a playoff spot next season.

You seem to be under the impression that Bogs has little value... I'm sure if we tried trading him we would net a 1st rounder and a good prospect.

Overall we lost prospects who aren't proven and a Myers that has underachieved since his rookie year for a top line winger that the GM obviously really expects big thing from and a top 4 dman.

And Stafford is well Stafford.

I'm fully expecting Kane to recover and be healthy for next season. As for rebuilding I think this was TM's way of speeding the rebuild up. We would have had to wait 2-3 years for Armia if he ever turns out "someone with injury issues already" and even longer for Lemeiux. I believe Murray wants this team to compete for a playoff spot next season.

You seem to be under the impression that Bogs has little value... I'm sure if we tried trading him we would net a 1st rounder and a good prospect.

Overall we lost prospects who aren't proven and a Myers that has underachieved since his rookie year for a top line winger that the GM obviously really expects big thing from and a top 4 dman.

And Stafford is well Stafford.
- Smittyx36

even with one of the top two picks in this year's draft, I don't see how you go into the summer with this ufa crop and somehow manage to field a playoff team next season. It'll be interesting to see if that's what Murray is trying to do but that's a heck of a jump given what'll likely be available this summer. If, as usual, a lot of these ufa's are locked up by their current teams before july 1st it'll be one of the worst ufa crops in years.

You'd have to do what the Isles did and try to find teams with cap issues and get key players from them. Not impossible, but very very difficult.

I'm fully expecting Kane to recover and be healthy for next season. As for rebuilding I think this was TM's way of speeding the rebuild up. We would have had to wait 2-3 years for Armia if he ever turns out "someone with injury issues already" and even longer for Lemeiux. I believe Murray wants this team to compete for a playoff spot next season.

You seem to be under the impression that Bogs has little value... I'm sure if we tried trading him we would net a 1st rounder and a good prospect.

Overall we lost prospects who aren't proven and a Myers that has underachieved since his rookie year for a top line winger that the GM obviously really expects big thing from and a top 4 dman.

And Stafford is well Stafford.
- Smittyx36

Where did you get that from? I actually said I like him more than Myers and my point is that Kane is a strange choice to have young players developing around or fill a leadership role for developing young players(which I've read quite a few times already)? This trade doesn't make you guys a playoff team next year not even close. Not saying that he couldn't make some trades before the season to maybe speed it up but you're talking about adding quite a bit between now and then. Realistically you guys have another 2-3 years at least IMO before you're competing again. Kane and Bogosian are not players that are going to jump start you're drive back to competitiveness unless they both show a level of play they haven't shown once in their careers.

xdb

I'm not a Sabres fan but if they truly want to win this trade Tim Murray should take all of the interest in Evander Kane and put him back on the block at the draft. Yes he is a top 6 forward but he Core of this team will have an average age of 20 after the draft so use him to add a 2015 first and a blue chip prospect. Possibly out of Arizona.... guaranteed top 7 pick and a Domi or Bjorgstrand?
- alexander87

What has Kane done to have so many peoples admiration? Both in the media, and in the fanatics... He has only been a point per game kinda guy once (last year of junior), and outside of one year in the nhl where he produced as a top 6 guy (57 points) he has literally done nothing except build a crappy reputation about his attitude. There's a reason he had been playing on Winnipeg's 3rd line.....

And before I get the "If the Leafs traded for him you'd be singing a different tune" response, I wouldn't want him. We have him in Kadri, and Kadri has never performed as well as our fan base would have liked - Kane is the same way. Scored 30 goals one year, and no more than 19 any other. There's a lot better character guys that can score 19 goals a season... Jesus, even Clarkson is on pace for 15 this year and our fan base hates him...

even with one of the top two picks in this year's draft, I don't see how you go into the summer with this ufa crop and somehow manage to field a playoff team next season. It'll be interesting to see if that's what Murray is trying to do but that's a heck of a jump given what'll likely be available this summer. If, as usual, a lot of these ufa's are locked up by their current teams before july 1st it'll be one of the worst ufa crops in years.

You'd have to do what the Isles did and try to find teams with cap issues and get key players from them. Not impossible, but very very difficult.
- Isles_since_6

The way i look at it is we still have lots of assets. Lots of teams will be having cap issues like you said. So I really think he is going to bring in a lot of new faces over the offseason.

Half the guys on the team will not be hear next year. We already got rid of three.

New faces already in the organization that will be on the team next year most likely will be Reinhart, Pysyk, Grigs, and the 1st overall pick from this year. Plus now kane and bogs. That already is a completely different team

Look at this any way you want, Winnipeg wins because they already had lost Kane. The team and the player dug themselves into a hole no one could get out of.

Those who criticize Myers only need to look where he was playing.