So Reinhart has no chance at being that? Or the likelihood of finishing dead last again?

He hedged his bet against that 2nd possibility, seeing the trajectory of this team and figuring it will continue for the last 30-ish games.
- stashu

I actually think Reinhart would work well with Kane, since Reinhart is a pass first kind of guy. Seems to me it would work well with a more physical guy like Kane.

I have been listening to nhl network on sirus a lot over the last few days and more analysts then not are saying the sabres got the best 2 players


They are all saying Myers has the talent but has yet to get it all together


Not a dig on Myers, just saying what is on the airways
- homiedclown

If you're listening to someone on the radio who says Kane isn't the best player in that trade, change the channel.

Myers and Bogo are on the same tier thus far, both haven't lived up to expectations. But Bogo is better defensively.

Apparently Bob McKenzie will be on Sabres Hotline at 11:15. I may have to listen. Says "@SabresProspects" too, so I might as well tune in early (Baker at 11)

Big $ per year over big years, and by summer he may be gone. I'm not sure he's the right guy for this team at the moment.
- Der Kaiser

If the goal is to make the playoffs next season, it may be the right move come June


If the rent's not too damn high


Kane got the equivalent of a mid first, a late first, and 2 late seconds
My guess is Kessel would be to add another first to that mix

?????????


he just improved the first line for 2015-16
he just improved the pp for 2015-16
he just improved the pk for 2015-16
he just improved his chance to finish 30th this season
his team got more physical and faster for 2015-16
- homiedclown

If Kane is hurt or has another incident, do we improve?

We are banking on Kane doing a 180 off of the ice

And WPG's GM isn't?

There is risk to both sides, which makes this a good hockey trade for both teams. Some people just can't accept that one GM didn't "win". But if you look at trades similar to this, the team that gets the best player (i.e. Kane) usually "win".
- IceColdBeer

Huh? Theres really no risk from WPG side of the trade. Kane was done there. They got an upgrade on defense to bolster their push for playoffs and offloaded a guy at more value than what other GM's in the league thought it would take.

And Im still not convinced that Kane is the best player in that deal.

If you're listening to someone on the radio who says Kane isn't the best player in that trade, change the channel.

Myers and Bogo are on the same tier thus far, both haven't lived up to expectations. But Bogo is better defensively.
- IceColdBeer

the majority are saying Bogo is more consistent and thus the second best player in the trade

I actually think Reinhart would work well with Kane, since Reinhart is a pass first kind of guy. Seems to me it would work well with a more physical guy like Kane.
- HonkFortheGoose

In no way am I saying he's better than the holy duo this coming draft, but it's not like he's some prior Sabre top Center, he's going to be better than what they've had there in a long time.

Huh? Theres really no risk from WPG side of the trade. Kane was done there. They got an upgrade on defense to bolster their push for playoffs and offloaded a guy at more value than what other GM's in the league thought it would take.

And Im still not convinced that Kane is the best player in that deal.
- theblueandgold

This

Kane said in the article they had on ESPN that the surgery was completely necessary. They found a lot more going on in there than originally thought, but had he not had the surgery and played out the rest of the year, it could have been career ending.
- HonkFortheGoose

Hey. HEY. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Whether it's logical or not doesn't matter here.

If the goal is to make the playoffs next season, it may be the right move come June


If the rent's not too damn high


Kane got the equivalent of a mid first, a late first, and 2 late seconds
My guess is Kessel would be to add another first to that mix
- homiedclown

More, IMO

the majority are saying Bogo is more consistent and thus the second best player in the trade
- homiedclown

Yet was a healthy scratch this season apparently. Same with Kane. Consistency is not something we acquired here

If Kane is hurt or has another incident, do we improve?

We are banking on Kane doing a 180 off of the ice
- sbroads24

We don't know all the details of that. You're crucifying the guy for what the media is saying. We all know the media is largely wrong most of time when it comes to sports, so why don't we just give the "attitude" issues a rest until we see what he can come in and do here before we label him a "troublemaker"

If Kane is hurt or has another incident, do we improve?

We are banking on Kane doing a 180 off of the ice
- sbroads24

Anyone can get hurt, so that's a weak argument. As for "another incident", it's not like what he's done is anything that affects his play, just stupid young-guy/immature antics

More, IMO
- stashu

foligno, gringo, our other late first, the islanders second and the 2016 first

do you make that trade?

I think I would

Yet was a healthy scratch this season apparently. Same with Kane. Consistency is not something we acquired here
- sbroads24

Neither did the Jets

False. You went in a completely different direction than the topic I responded to.
- stashu

What? That was your point. The question was if we couldve given up draft picks instead of the prospects, and you said yes BECAUSE of the "wasted" time in developing Armia as you were his fan.

It doesnt matter if we gave up picks, or Armia who is further along in his development than a draft pick. We got the better player. End of story.

And WPG was going to want a player further along in his development as they asked for an A prospect. The hypothetical of just draft picks never had a chance.

We don't know all the details of that. You're crucifying the guy for what the media is saying. We all know the media is largely wrong most of time when it comes to sports, so why don't we just give the "attitude" issues a rest until we see what he can come in and do here before we label him a "troublemaker"
- HonkFortheGoose

I dont have to speculate. WPG did all the talking by trading their star player

For the record I was on board getting him. But not for this many assets

Sbroads, let me know if I have your line of thinking correct here.

You would have preferred to get a winger or two on the cheap and sign a D man via free agency, do I have that right?

Such as Sharp and Eriksson, for example, along with signing someone like Oduya.

Bring back the trades you proposed along with signing Oduya because I think it helps others understand your thought process.

I understand you saying that they got Kane before they got the top line center, but the chances are massively in their favor that they end up as the worst team this year, which means they will be getting their number 1 center, especially with the way Edmonton is playing now.

In no way am I saying he's better than the holy duo this coming draft, but it's not like he's some prior Sabre top Center, he's going to be better than what they've had there in a long time.
- stashu

Oh, I know. I was actually trying to add to your argument. I think if they happen to miss out on one of the big 2 (and yes it will hurt and I'll be really pissed), they'll still be fine at the end of the day. Just may not end up quite the juggernaut that we all would like. Doesn't mean they can't still be good at the end of the day.

Huh? Theres really no risk from WPG side of the trade. Kane was done there. They got an upgrade on defense to bolster their push for playoffs and offloaded a guy at more value than what other GM's in the league thought it would take.

And Im still not convinced that Kane is the best player in that deal.
- theblueandgold

Respect your opinion, but who do you think is then?

As far as the risk on WPG's side, you have:

Myer's potential vs. actual production
1st round pick becoming and life long AHL'er (it happens ~20 percent of the time)
Armia becoming a 2nd liner at best
Lemieux becoming a 3rd liner at best
Stafford leaving

vs.

Kane's attitude. He's already proven hes a first line player who can kill penalties
Bogosian's potential vs. actual production (same as myers)

I'll take the latter.

Also, please consider that the sabres have been drafting ALOT of players recently, can't sign them all. Better to sell high into proven talent.

And the thing just about all of those players have in common is that they haven't won many championships at the NHL level, if any at all. When players who have won championships at the NHL level tell me he's a great coach, then I will listen. I want championships, not feel good stories, which is pretty much all you ever hear about the guy.
- buffalofan19

Players may like playing for him because he is their buddy. Its like the guy you would rather have a drink with then be your boss.

Its no secrete that Nolan is not a System coach, and it shows.

Yet was a healthy scratch this season apparently. Same with Kane. Consistency is not something we acquired here
- sbroads24

Tyler Myers has been a healthy scratch before. So has Drew Stafford. Consistency is not something we're losing out on either.

There's 2 sides to every argument.

Huh? Theres really no risk from WPG side of the trade. Kane was done there. They got an upgrade on defense to bolster their push for playoffs and offloaded a guy at more value than what other GM's in the league thought it would take.

And Im still not convinced that Kane is the best player in that deal.
- theblueandgold

Well you obviously havent seen much of Kane then. Their is a reason every scout reporter etc have nothing but great things to say about his on ice play. The guy is a force and will be one of our most exciting players next year.

I dont have to speculate. WPG did all the talking by trading their star player

For the record I was on board getting him. But not for this many assets
- sbroads24

Nah, you wouldve been fine if the deal was Kane for Stafford, Armia, Lemiuex, 1st. It was Myers that hurt. And I agree.