foligno, gringo, our other late first, the islanders second and the 2016 first

do you make that trade?

I think I would
- homiedclown

Foligno and Grigorenko - check
2 firsts and a 2nd - check

They may need more though, especially dealing in-division. Consider Foligno and Grigorenko as "not much", sort of like how Armia and Lemieux are getting written off as no big losses. 2 firsts and a 2nd for a perennial 35 goal scorer (yes, for those who want to argue, he may not make that this year) who will easily score more than that with a better center.

I dont have to speculate. WPG did all the talking by trading their star player

For the record I was on board getting him. But not for this many assets
- sbroads24

So the guy didn't want to be there anymore? So what. Kesler didn't want to be in Vancouver anymore. Seems he's playing just fine for the Ducks.

It's amazing what playing for a team that you actually want to play for can do for someone's game. I thought for sure that Kesler's best days were behind him and he's have a killer year in Anaheim.

I think jumping to conclusions is a silly thing to do right now. Not to mention it's not like it's going to change anything. I suppose if you want you can bookmark this blog so that if things turn sour you can come back with it and say "Told you so."

Tyler Myers has been a healthy scratch before. So has Drew Stafford. Consistency is not something we're losing out on either.

There's 2 sides to every argument.
- HonkFortheGoose

And (Myers)was real close to be put out for months last night after Webers shot hit jim in the knee.

What? That was your point. The question was if we couldve given up draft picks instead of the prospects, and you said yes BECAUSE of the "wasted" time in developing Armia as you were his fan.

It doesnt matter if we gave up picks, or Armia who is further along in his development than a draft pick. We got the better player. End of story.

And WPG was going to want a player further along in his development as they asked for an A prospect. The hypothetical of just draft picks never had a chance.
- theblueandgold

You came out firing about "Kane > Armia". That has no bearing on it. The question was would those who like either of the prospects prefer it be picks instead of players. How does that in any way equate to an Armia vs Kane comparison?

The whole post was hypothetical. God forbid people have fun with "what ifs"

This is an open discussion hockey forum, I suggest you click the red X if youre unwilling to participate or feel that we should live under communist rule censorship.

Anyone can get hurt, so that's a weak argument. As for "another incident", it's not like what he's done is anything that affects his play, just stupid young-guy/immature antics
- stashu

They went through a timeline yesterday on WGR.

A lot of it was him getting in trouble on twitter.

So the guy didn't want to be there anymore? So what. Kesler didn't want to be in Vancouver anymore. Seems he's playing just fine for the Ducks.

It's amazing what playing for a team that you actually want to play for can do for someone's game. I thought for sure that Kesler's best days were behind him and he's have a killer year in Anaheim.

I think jumping to conclusions is a silly thing to do right now. Not to mention it's not like it's going to change anything. I suppose if you want you can bookmark this blog so that if things turn sour you can come back with it and say "Told you so."
- HonkFortheGoose

David. Perron.

Oh, I know. I was actually trying to add to your argument. I think if they happen to miss out on one of the big 2 (and yes it will hurt and I'll be really pissed), they'll still be fine at the end of the day. Just may not end up quite the juggernaut that we all would like. Doesn't mean they can't still be good at the end of the day.
- HonkFortheGoose

I know you were, was just continuing it.

And yes, it will completely suck if they miss out on either of the anointed ones after all this crap these 2 years.

Foligno and Grigorenko - check
2 firsts and a 2nd - check

They may need more though, especially dealing in-division. Consider Foligno and Grigorenko as "not much", sort of like how Armia and Lemieux are getting written off as no big losses. 2 firsts and a 2nd for a perennial 35 goal scorer (yes, for those who want to argue, he may not make that this year) who will easily score more than that with a better center.
- stashu

per spector

Kessel acknowledges trade possibility.

TORONTO SUN/TORONTO STAR: As rumors grow claiming the Maple Leafs are entertaining trade offers for their biggest stars, Phil Kessel acknowledged the possibility he could be dealt. “I go where they want me,” said Kessel. “I love Toronto. If it’s not here, it’s not here.” A source claims it’s probably Kessel and team captain Dion Phaneuf won’t be dealt until the offseason. Both have limited no-trade clauses. It’s expected pending UFAs like Cody Franson, Mike Santorelli, Daniel Winnik and David Booth are most likely to be moved at the March 2 trade deadline.

SPORTSNET: Damien Cox also believed the Leafs are likely to move Kessel in the offseason rather than the trade deadline. He believes Kessel’s trade value is more than Evander Kane’s, who was dealt earlier this week in a blockbuster deal from Winnipeg to Buffalo, but his lengthy and expensive contract could narrow the number of suitors, meaning the Leafs might have to retain some salary.

You came out firing about "Kane > Armia". That has no bearing on it. The question was would those who like either of the prospects prefer it be picks instead of players. How does that in any way equate to an Armia vs Kane comparison?

The whole post was hypothetical. God forbid people have fun with "what ifs"

This is an open discussion hockey forum, I suggest you click the red X if youre unwilling to participate or feel that we should live under communist rule censorship.
- stashu

oh my

So the guy didn't want to be there anymore? So what. Kesler didn't want to be in Vancouver anymore. Seems he's playing just fine for the Ducks.

It's amazing what playing for a team that you actually want to play for can do for someone's game. I thought for sure that Kesler's best days were behind him and he's have a killer year in Anaheim.

I think jumping to conclusions is a silly thing to do right now. Not to mention it's not like it's going to change anything. I suppose if you want you can bookmark this blog so that if things turn sour you can come back with it and say "Told you so."
- HonkFortheGoose

Nobody is ever happy with change. . The Sabres have changed and are changing , but since it isn't the way "They" would do it , The proffessional people are doing it all wrong.

I know you were, was just continuing it.

And yes, it will completely suck if they miss out on either of the anointed ones after all this crap these 2 years.
- stashu

I would cry. I actually would cry. I'm not kidding.

And WPG was going to want a player further along in his development as they asked for an A prospect. The hypothetical of just draft picks never had a chance.
- theblueandgold

That is where it gets tricky for me.

People, I believe, have different definitions of what is considered an A prospect.

To me, guys like Tarasenko and Filip Forsberg were A prospects.

Someone like Reinhart is what I would call a B+ prospect until he shows me he can score consistently at the NHL level.

That means that Armia was a B prospect, the same thing I would consider Grigorenko.

I am sure opinions will vary widely on that.

So the guy didn't want to be there anymore? So what. Kesler didn't want to be in Vancouver anymore. Seems he's playing just fine for the Ducks.

It's amazing what playing for a team that you actually want to play for can do for someone's game. I thought for sure that Kesler's best days were behind him and he's have a killer year in Anaheim.

I think jumping to conclusions is a silly thing to do right now. Not to mention it's not like it's going to change anything. I suppose if you want you can bookmark this blog so that if things turn sour you can come back with it and say "Told you so."
- HonkFortheGoose

ouch

They went through a timeline yesterday on WGR.

A lot of it was him getting in trouble on twitter.
- ImThatGuy

So...he "talked" a lot? I guess all that typing could mess his shoulder up more, but I don't see how that diminishes his play.

I dont have to speculate. WPG did all the talking by trading their star player

For the record I was on board getting him. But not for this many assets
- sbroads24

I don't how we have up assets, Lemieux didn't wanna sign here. Armia was taking way too long to develop. Stafford was a goner and myers was over pressured for not reaching his potential. The first rounder will be a late one that we won't miss with our talent in the system already and have two other picks. Getting Kane fills a huge void that we wouldn't have been able to fill any other way.

They went through a timeline yesterday on WGR.

A lot of it was him getting in trouble on twitter.
- ImThatGuy

A lot of guys have some "character issues." At some point, I don't give a poop what they're doing off the ice as long as they're producing on it. (Murder, rape, etc are not acceptable in any way though.)

Kane is a guy that found success at an early age, got paid a good chunk of money for it, and maybe went off the deep end a bit. It happens to a lot of guys. Just look at a lot of the guys in the NFL.

I think everyone is reading into his "issues" too much.

That is where it gets tricky for me.

People, I believe, have different definitions of what is considered an A prospect.

To me, guys like Tarasenko and Filip Forsberg were A prospects.

Someone like Reinhart is what I would call a B+ prospect until he shows me he can score consistently at the NHL level.

That means that Armia was a B prospect, the same thing I would consider Grigorenko.

I am sure opinions will vary widely on that.
- kingcong39

Sounds about right to me .

I would cry. I actually would cry. I'm not kidding.
- TheSabresTaco

Not sure I'd go that far...but man would it be miserable...

So...he "talked" a lot? I guess all that typing could mess his shoulder up more, but I don't see how that diminishes his play.
- stashu

Mike Harrington believes he quit on his team and his shoulder, foot and hand were non issues.

per spector

Defenseman Zach Bogosian, recently dealt from the Winnipeg Jets to the Buffalo Sabres, is pleased by the trade. He has ties to the Buffalo area.

Respect your opinion, but who do you think is then?

As far as the risk on WPG's side, you have:

Myer's potential vs. actual production
1st round pick becoming and life long AHL'er (it happens ~20 percent of the time)
Armia becoming a 2nd liner at best
Lemieux becoming a 3rd liner at best
Stafford leaving

vs.

Kane's attitude. He's already proven hes a first line player who can kill penalties
Bogosian's potential vs. actual production (same as myers)

I'll take the latter.

Also, please consider that the sabres have been drafting ALOT of players recently, can't sign them all. Better to sell high into proven talent.
- IceColdBeer

Ive said it plenty of times -- I believe Myers was the best player in the deal as I view him as a top pairing defenseman and put more value in top pairing D.

I understand everything about the futures. Ive said it 100 times now, I dont care about losing Armia, Lemieux or the 1st. Those do nothing for me. We have a deep pool and will replace them.

Well you obviously havent seen much of Kane then. Their is a reason every scout reporter etc have nothing but great things to say about his on ice play. The guy is a force and will be one of our most exciting players next year.
- Carubba-Kaleta

I dont need to listen to the mouthpieces in the national media to help me form an opinion of players. In no way am I downgrading Kane or completely taking away his strengths as a player. For whats he brought to the NHL in his short career thus far, hes far from a "star" player that the same media you are listening to is billing him as.

Mike Harrington believes he quit on his team and his shoulder, foot and hand were non issues.
- TheSabresTaco

Kane is the new Larsson

That is where it gets tricky for me.

People, I believe, have different definitions of what is considered an A prospect.

To me, guys like Tarasenko and Filip Forsberg were A prospects.

Someone like Reinhart is what I would call a B+ prospect until he shows me he can score consistently at the NHL level.

That means that Armia was a B prospect, the same thing I would consider Grigorenko.

I am sure opinions will vary widely on that.
- kingcong39

What do you mean by "score" exactly? Are we talking overall points, or goals specifically? Because I see Reinhart as a type of Marc Savard guy. He's going to get a bunch of points, but will be heavily leaning on the side of assists. And honestly, I'm fine with that. It means someone is putting the puck in the net for us, so whatever.

Mike Harrington believes he quit on his team and his shoulder, foot and hand were non issues.
- TheSabresTaco

Look at the source...by the sounds of it, the shoulder was a huge issue

Mike Harrington believes he quit on his team and his shoulder, foot and hand were non issues.
- TheSabresTaco

Yeah, well he also believed that Edmonton should have drafted Seth Jones instead of Yakupov.....