Look at the source...by the sounds of it, the shoulder was a huge issue
- stashu

I tore a ligament on my hand 6 weeks ago on the golf course, club stuck in ground with no divot


my hand still isn't right


(waits for daffy and kermit gifs)

Look at the source...by the sounds of it, the shoulder was a huge issue
- stashu

Kane said it was popping out 2-3 times a period during games toward the end. I can't imagine trying to play through that.

Sounds like his was much worse than Foligno's was last year, and Foligno ended up having to have surgery too. I'm just glad that the surgery has already been done and now he can focus on rehabbing and looking forward to a fresh start.

You came out firing about "Kane > Armia". That has no bearing on it. The question was would those who like either of the prospects prefer it be picks instead of players. How does that in any way equate to an Armia vs Kane comparison?

The whole post was hypothetical. God forbid people have fun with "what ifs"

This is an open discussion hockey forum, I suggest you click the red X if youre unwilling to participate or feel that we should live under communist rule censorship.
- stashu

It seems that its YOU who are completely missing the entirety of the subject. I explained everything completely and it still makes sense. Its not like I stopped at "Kane>Armia" I specifically said it doesnt matter about his development years being wasted because we got a better player.... Im not telling you to stop talking about certain topics altogether or not talk about what ifs. I just engaged in the discussion with you although you got your feelings hurt because youre an Armia fanboy.

Ive said it plenty of times -- I believe Myers was the best player in the deal as I view him as a top pairing defenseman and put more value in top pairing D.

I understand everything about the futures. Ive said it 100 times now, I dont care about losing Armia, Lemieux or the 1st. Those do nothing for me. We have a deep pool and will replace them.



I dont need to listen to the mouthpieces in the national media to help me form an opinion of players. In no way am I downgrading Kane or completely taking away his strengths as a player. For whats he brought to the NHL in his short career thus far, hes far from a "star" player that the same media you are listening to is billing him as.
- theblueandgold

I was just making a point on how many people think he's great and I concur with them. I've seen him play a ton so my opinion is based on seeing him through my own eyes thank you. Pretty sure Im not gonna base my opinion on what other people say.

One thing I have to say is the trade got me interested in hockey league wide again. Last year or so, seeing the huge gap between the Sabres and every other team was too depressing. It has sort of re energized me.

What do you mean by "score" exactly? Are we talking overall points, or goals specifically? Because I see Reinhart as a type of Marc Savard guy. He's going to get a bunch of points, but will be heavily leaning on the side of assists. And honestly, I'm fine with that. It means someone is putting the puck in the net for us, so whatever.
- HonkFortheGoose

Patrick Kane, known to be a sniper, dare I say? 79 goals, 107 assists the last 3 seasons (this and prior 2).
CROSBY! 70g, 148A
Voracek, Getzlaf...lots of great players who are scoring at a 1.5-2 assists-to-goals ratio

That is where it gets tricky for me.

People, I believe, have different definitions of what is considered an A prospect.

To me, guys like Tarasenko and Filip Forsberg were A prospects.

Someone like Reinhart is what I would call a B+ prospect until he shows me he can score consistently at the NHL level.

That means that Armia was a B prospect, the same thing I would consider Grigorenko.

I am sure opinions will vary widely on that.
- kingcong39

If the price is right, do the Sabres go after Kessel?
- homiedclown

No but the owner of Paula's Doughnuts hopes they do.

That is where it gets tricky for me.

People, I believe, have different definitions of what is considered an A prospect.

To me, guys like Tarasenko and Filip Forsberg were A prospects.

Someone like Reinhart is what I would call a B+ prospect until he shows me he can score consistently at the NHL level.

That means that Armia was a B prospect, the same thing I would consider Grigorenko.

I am sure opinions will vary widely on that.
- kingcong39

Your opinion is your opinion and that's all well and good.

Tarasenko is 23 and this is his first big season. Forsberg was drafted right before Grigs. I'm not sure if it's fair to compare a now 19 year old with Tarasenko, who's 4 years ahead of him. Right now, Forsberg is ahead of Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Yakupov, Faksa, Wilson, Teraveinen and so on and so forth. Seeing how these guys eventually pan out will be key. As far as grading prospects, I think it's only fair to gauge their long term potential as opposed to only their immediate results. In this, I would rate Reinhart as high as both of them.

No but the owner of Paula's Doughnuts hopes they do.
- dadeadhead

ouch

Homie, I do not trade for Kessel unless the demands on the return drop significantly.

I am not giving up anymore 1st round picks this year and I do not want to give up a 1st or a 2nd next year in case the team does go through growing pains like I think they will with the lineup I am guessing they will ice.

That only leaves them with the extra 2nd this year and lower picks to offer along with the lower round picks next year.

They are going to want a bunch of prospects and at least one quality, young NHL forward and likely one quality, young defenseman.

That is WAY too much to give up for a one dimensional, albeit very good, winger.

They already made their big trade for Kane at LW. They can get Sharp or Eriksson via trade for much less than it would take for Kessel, or they could bring in any number of guys via free agency like St Louis, Zuccarello, Vermette, Jagr, or Nick Foligno and it would only cost money.

It seems that its YOU who are completely missing the entirety of the subject. I explained everything completely and it still makes sense. Its not like I stopped at "Kane>Armia" I specifically said it doesnt matter about his development years being wasted because we got a better player.... Im not telling you to stop talking about certain topics altogether or not talk about what ifs. I just engaged in the discussion with you although you got your feelings hurt because youre an Armia fanboy.
- theblueandgold

Yes, my feelings are in such pain.

You still don't get it, but it's OK, you proclaim to know more than anyone here so you can live in the clouds as much as you wish.

It seems that its YOU who are completely missing the entirety of the subject. I explained everything completely and it still makes sense. Its not like I stopped at "Kane>Armia" I specifically said it doesnt matter about his development years being wasted because we got a better player.... Im not telling you to stop talking about certain topics altogether or not talk about what ifs. I just engaged in the discussion with you although you got your feelings hurt because youre an Armia fanboy.
- theblueandgold

I will...because Kane IS > Armia. Present tense, at this point in time. When will Armia make an impact in the NHL? nobody knows.

I tore a ligament on my hand 6 weeks ago on the golf course, club stuck in ground with no divot


my hand still isn't right


(waits for daffy and kermit gifs)
- homiedclown

I'll do ya one better

Kane is the new Larsson
- homiedclown

The guy is just such a douche. It's not even fun arguing with him.

Mike Harrington believes he quit on his team and his shoulder, foot and hand were non issues.
- TheSabresTaco

I hear people say he quit on the team?

How is playing through 2 broken bones and a shoulder that would come separated during games quitting on your team.

I am fully convinced the Buffalo media does not believe what they say, but just need to create interest.

Look at the source...by the sounds of it, the shoulder was a huge issue
- stashu

I specifically mentioned the source to Mike. He continued to blow it off. He's ignorant and stubborn, to say the least.

I tore a ligament on my hand 6 weeks ago on the golf course, club stuck in ground with no divot


my hand still isn't right


(waits for daffy and kermit gifs)
- homiedclown

It's okay to use the other hand until the first hand heals. It gets the same result.

It's okay to use the other hand until the first hand heals. It gets the same result.
- The Don

Feels more like sloppy seconds though.

Feels more like sloppy seconds though.
- dadeadhead

Practice more.

It is all about the muscle memory.

I was just making a point on how many people think he's great and I concur with them. I've seen him play a ton so my opinion is based on seeing him through my own eyes thank you. Pretty sure Im not gonna base my opinion on what other people say.
- Carubba-Kaleta

From what I keep hearing, its a little more telling when those people keep talking about Kane being an annual 30 or 40 goal scorer .... get ready for it, I think I've heard this one before .... with a legit #1 C.

Kane hasnt reached his full potential yet, thats what gets these people excited. If I had to make a player comparison, I would say Kane is an Iginla-lite player. He plays that heavy game with a good shot and skating. That is his potential. To be a 30-35 goal scorer who plays heavy game in and game out. He hasnt reached it yet.

What do you mean by "score" exactly? Are we talking overall points, or goals specifically? Because I see Reinhart as a type of Marc Savard guy. He's going to get a bunch of points, but will be heavily leaning on the side of assists. And honestly, I'm fine with that. It means someone is putting the puck in the net for us, so whatever.
- HonkFortheGoose

Score means goals or assists as his assists will lead to goals.

Agreed with everything you said about the type of player he could be. If he ended up being like Bergeron, that would be great.

Homie, I do not trade for Kessel unless the demands on the return drop significantly.

I am not giving up anymore 1st round picks this year and I do not want to give up a 1st or a 2nd next year in case the team does go through growing pains like I think they will with the lineup I am guessing they will ice.

That only leaves them with the extra 2nd this year and lower picks to offer along with the lower round picks next year.

They are going to want a bunch of prospects and at least one quality, young NHL forward and likely one quality, young defenseman.

That is WAY too much to give up for a one dimensional, albeit very good, winger.

They already made their big trade for Kane at LW. They can get Sharp or Eriksson via trade for much less than it would take for Kessel, or they could bring in any number of guys via free agency like St Louis, Zuccarello, Vermette, Jagr, or Nick Foligno and it would only cost money.
- kingcong39

agreed but he is only 27 and he has scored at least 30 goals in going on 7 straight years, if you average the lockout year for a full season

I'll do ya one better





- dadeadhead

ouch

From what I keep hearing, its a little more telling when those people keep talking about Kane being an annual 30 or 40 goal scorer .... get ready for it, I think I've heard this one before .... with a legit #1 C.

Kane hasnt reached his full potential yet, thats what gets these people excited. If I had to make a player comparison, I would say Kane is an Iginla-lite player. He plays that heavy game with a good shot and skating. That is his potential. To be a 30-35 goal scorer who plays heavy game in and game out. He hasnt reached it yet.
- theblueandgold

I think the best 2 players in the trade haven't reached their potential yet. The same can be said of both Myers and Kane. I think it's going to be interesting to look back at this trade in a few years and see how it actually panned out.