I get where SB is coming from.

He is simply replying to a post directed towards him Irish.

To be honest I "believe" Murray overpaid as well for the record.

But we won't know that for sure until at the earliest , around next year at this very time. IMO.
- BuffaloHardHat

You also, IMO need to give Murray some time! Guy makes a ballsie trade, luv it! Let it play out, we could wait until the trade deadline and get Bob Corkum for faceoffs!

McKenzie had some real interesting thoughts on HH this morning. He felt this trade deadline is not about these big trades that Winny and Buff did this week but more so teams trading for rentals. Teams will not trade for guys with term left on their deals. Those types of trades could happen over the summer or at the draft more likely. There will be a lot of pending UFA's moved at the TD.

He also touched on the salary cap. The feeling initially was that the cap number could be at 73M but with the struggling Canadian dollar he was thinking the cap might stay at 69 or possibly go lower. Those teams that are up against the cap will need to move players over the summer ( Chicago, Boston) and that is who TM should make a deal with. My guess is the cap will be around 70, which will still put some of teams in cap peril.

I'm sure he's on a much higher resistance than the other guys
- IceColdBeer

Has to be, just watch him struggle!!

You also, IMO need to give Murray some time! Guy makes a ballsie trade, luv it! Let it play out, we could wait until the trade deadline and get Bob Corkum for faceoffs!
- Irish 14

Ok, then I'm crazy.

One-dimensional soft player who eats up too much cap, IMO. And what we would have to deposit in our closest conference rival to get him, no thank you.
- nfph

I never understood this part of the equation...

If you are making a deal to make your team that much better what difference does it make?

He would be the fastest skater on the roster is a PPG player and can score.

I am not saying build a team full of him but you need a guy like him IMO

I am guessing if the sabres had kept one of these 3

lemieux
first rd pick
armia


he would have been ok with the trade


just a guess
- homiedclown

Damn. I thought it was the +++ part he didn't like.

I never understood this part of the equation...

If you are making a deal to make your team that much better what difference does it make?

He would be the fastest skater on the roster is a PPG player and can score.

I am not saying build a team full of him but you need a guy like him IMO
- Stripes77

Because making your team better is subjective, based on need, timeline, and competitive situation. If Toronto demands our 1st this year - given McEichel would be somewhat unlikely to score as much as Kessel next year - are we making the team better?

If it's Ennis, Girgensons and a 2nd... how much better did we get?

Juice ain't worth the squeeze, and having to see those guys multiple times a year for the next decade is a factor, IMO. We directly compete with Toronto for a playoff spot, as opposed to Winnipeg.

I never understood this part of the equation...

If you are making a deal to make your team that much better what difference does it make?

He would be the fastest skater on the roster is a PPG player and can score.

I am not saying build a team full of him but you need a guy like him IMO
- Stripes77

Certainly doesn't hurt.

Do you think Jacques Demers was a good coach?
- BuffaloHardHat

Before my time and I don't know enough about him to say yes or no. Unless you're trying to hire him, I don't see the reference.

Nolan has not advanced past the 1st round on any team, has one Jack Adams trophy to show for it all, and a losing record before last year, Multiple players are having career worst years but yet he's apparently a great coach. Unless I'm missing something, he's got nothing to back that up.

Ok, then I'm crazy.

One-dimensional soft player who eats up too much cap, IMO. And what we would have to deposit in our closest conference rival to get him, no thank you.
- nfph

I'm not sure I want him either but I also don't believe it would take much. Toronto wants cap flexibility if they're getting rid of him. Foligno, McCabe, and a 2nd would probably get it done.

McKenzie had some real interesting thoughts on HH this morning. He felt this trade deadline is not about these big trades that Winny and Buff did this week but more so teams trading for rentals. Teams will not trade for guys with term left on their deals. Those types of trades could happen over the summer or at the draft more likely. There will be a lot of pending UFA's moved at the TD.

He also touched on the salary cap. The feeling initially was that the cap number could be at 73M but with the struggling Canadian dollar he was thinking the cap might stay at 69 or possibly go lower. Those teams that are up against the cap will need to move players over the summer ( Chicago, Boston) and that is who TM should make a deal with. My guess is the cap will be around 70, which will still put some of teams in cap peril.
- mhp

I had to stop paying attention when they asked about the Lemieux not signing with Buffalo rumor - can you tell me what Bob said?

Certainly doesn't hurt.
- BuffaloHardHat

No, but the subtractions probably would.

For poops and giggles, here are 2 trading scenarios I could see Toronto entertaining:

Buf 1st 2015
Zadorov, Girgensons, STL 1st

I'd hate both of those. What do you think it would take to get him?

Before my time and I don't know enough about him to say yes or no. Unless you're trying to hire him, I don't see the reference.

Nolan has not advanced past the 1st round on any team, has one Jack Adams trophy to show for it all, and a losing record before last year, Multiple players are having career worst years but yet he's apparently a great coach. Unless I'm missing something, he's got nothing to back that up.
- Zschalberg

Add in
-no system
-assistants do all the work
-puts in no time watching video

He's the best coach for the tank.

- homiedclown

I cringe when I see what guys find themselves doing to get a little stink on the hanglow.

I went to a Halloween party dressed up like Raggedy Andy one year. And id didn't work

I'm not sure I want him either but I also don't believe it would take much. Toronto wants cap flexibility if they're getting rid of him. Foligno, McCabe, and a 2nd would probably get it done.
- PassionBucket16

I think it's easy for someone to beat that. (and they're welcome to).

I'm not sure I want him either but I also don't believe it would take much. Toronto wants cap flexibility if they're getting rid of him. Foligno, McCabe, and a 2nd would probably get it done.
- PassionBucket16

The only thing that gets done is a dial tone, IMO.

No, but the subtractions probably would.

For poops and giggles, here are 2 trading scenarios I could see Toronto entertaining:

Buf 1st 2015
Zadorov, Girgensons, STL 1st

I'd hate both of those. What do you think it would take to get him?
- nfph

You know he's on the hook for 7 plus million and what, 7 more years? It's not going to take remotely near that to get him.

Because making your team better is subjective, based on need, timeline, and competitive situation. If Toronto demands our 1st this year - given McEichel would be somewhat unlikely to score as much as Kessel next year - are we making the team better?

If it's Ennis, Girgensons and a 2nd... how much better did we get?

Juice ain't worth the squeeze, and having to see those guys multiple times a year for the next decade is a factor, IMO. We directly compete with Toronto for a playoff spot, as opposed to Winnipeg.
- nfph

There are deal breakers our 1st and Girgensons are two of them. But moving Ennis the islanders first and Compher plus a future pick does not hurt us at all.

The only thing that gets done is a dial tone, IMO.
- stashu

Well as good at scoring goals as he is, there aren't many contracts worse than his in the league. Unless Toronto takes back another crappy contract, the return is going to be minimal for Kessel.

Add in
-no system
-assistants do all the work
-puts in no time watching video

He's the best coach for the tank.
- PassionBucket16

The apparently major insider who broke the Kane trade (and Tallinder back when) that people praised has said how he is horrible, a joke, etc. I take that guy's word, and I'm a huge skeptic on "insiders"

I want to see quotes from Hall of Famers that praise Nolan as a great coach before I'd believe it. Lafontaine does nothing for me with his opinion anymore.

You know he's on the hook for 7 plus million and what, 7 more years? It's not going to take remotely near that to get him.
- PassionBucket16

Because that's a nightmare contract.

Which we want?

There are deal breakers our 1st and Girgensons are two of them. But moving Ennis the islanders first and Compher plus a future pick does not hurt us at all.
- Stripes77

Ok, I'll concede that point but we still have Samwise for 7mx7.

Well as good at scoring goals as he is, there aren't many contracts worse than his in the league. Unless Toronto takes back another crappy contract, the return is going to be minimal for Kessel.
- PassionBucket16

Yikes, I dunno man, find me a person who is on his 3rd contract (my guess is Kessel is on his, can't confirm though) and makes less but puts up as much production

No, but the subtractions probably would.

For poops and giggles, here are 2 trading scenarios I could see Toronto entertaining:

Buf 1st 2015
Zadorov, Girgensons, STL 1st

I'd hate both of those. What do you think it would take to get him?
- nfph

the only players I would not move to get kessel

risto
z
pysyk
bogo
kane
reinhart
girgens
2015 first pick
ennis


they can pick whatever 4 players/prospects/picks they want from the rest of the bunch

Because that's a nightmare contract.

Which we want?
- nfph

I'm not saying I want it, but if we land McDavid I don't know that you can discount anything. Kessel upgrades the top 6, bottom line.