Just curious, how can a top 6 that still produces that plays the same style of game as Geno (east west) and is one of greatest PP players in the history of the game; serve no purpose??



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- nbartley9

That's like saying why would Gonchar serve no purpose. Of course he is a good OFD and one of the best PP QB's in Penguins history...but that doesn't mean we have a *need* for that player, nonetheless give up assets and limited cap space for him..

if it were up to all you fools yall would trade bennet, sundquist, kap, most of our d prospects and all our picks to bring in someone that may or may not help us this year.

imo....our team looks pretty good right now.....a minor trade hopefully involving bortz, scuds or JUST ONE of our D prospects to bolster our depth, not sure bolster is the right werd, you have to have something to bolster....after saying bolster so many times im not even sure thats a word.

we just need to stay healthy so we can get into a routine......

McKenzie is reporting that Tlusty is officially available because he could not come to terms with Carolina on an extension. Obviously that has been a name thrown around here a lot, but looks like he is officially available now.

McKenzie is reporting that Tlusty is officially available because he could not come to terms with Carolina on an extension. Obviously that has been a name thrown around here a lot, but looks like he is officially available now.
- PensFan1103

i would def want him....but i would bey the price is too high. unless they want sutter back

That's like saying why would Gonchar serve no purpose. Of course he is a good OFD and one of the best PP QB's in Penguins history...but that doesn't mean we have a *need* for that player, nonetheless give up assets and limited cap space for him..
- YouMeAndDupuis9

He WAS a good OFD. Jagr still has some gas in the tank. Bad comparison but I kinda get what you're saying

I remember Eller being an up and coming player, but I don't really follow other teams any more. Personally I think the 3rd line is the biggest hole on this club now. Sutter is garbage, BB hasn't shown much of anything, that leaves Downie. Yeah the 4th sucks, but they don't get much ice time to make that big of a difference. I have no suggestions for upgrades, but from what I understand just about anything will be an upgrade over Sutter.

i would def want him....but i would bey the price is too high. unless they want sutter back



- pensfan024

I can't imagine the price is too high, in reality he is a fringe 2nd/3rd liner. He had one dynamite season, which was the lockout season, but other than that his best season was a 36 point season. Half of his goals this year have come on the power play, which he would not play here, maybe 2nd PP, but they barely play. I still like him to fill out the 3rd line, but if they want too much, easy pass.

Just curious, how can a top 6 that still produces that plays the same style of game as Geno (east west) and is one of greatest PP players in the history of the game; serve no purpose??



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- nbartley9

He was one of the greatest PP players in history. He isn't now. He is 42 years old; he is a pending free agent and he serves no purpose beyond this year. I can't stand giving up good assets for rentals that serve no purpose after this year.

That's called being a douche bag, not being a bully. A bully is someone who will come up to you on the play ground and make you give them your lunch money or get beat up. If someone does that as an adult, it's called extortion and/or any slew of arrestable offenses, and can easily be solved by contacting the local authorities.
- jmatchett383

Agree to disagree on your point an adult cannot be bullied.

It takes a lot of different forms, in a workplace - let's say a hockey team, where the majority of the team continue an abuse of some type towards a single individual for the purposes of intimidation, embarrassment or psychological harm, I would call that bullying. Being degraded continually or verbally abused etc. you know what I mean. Bullying has no age limit.

He was one of the greatest PP players in history. He isn't now. He is 42 years old; he is a pending free agent and he serves no purpose beyond this year. I can't stand giving up good assets for rentals that serve no purpose after this year.
- Oneonta Penguin

I'd take a chance a championship this year and suffer for a couple years down the road. Every year only 1 team wins and 29 lose. The core isn't getting any younger, you gotta go for it when they're in their prime. And there's no guarantee the the prospect or draft picks will pan out...

Just curious, how can a top 6 that still produces that plays the same style of game as Geno (east west) and is one of greatest PP players in the history of the game; serve no purpose??



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- nbartley9

Some people just dont get it Bart.
Everyone and they're analytics have taken the soul out of the game. No one wants the storybook ending anymore. But I'm with you, Jagr can still play, he'll still be able to play next year. And I for one love the story line of Jagr starting and ending his career HERE with back to back Stanley Cups.
To me the opportunity though slim, is worth a 2nd round pick, or Bennett.

I'd take a chance a championship this year and suffer for a couple years down the road. Every year only 1 team wins and 29 lose. The core isn't getting any younger, you gotta go for it when they're in their prime. And there's no guarantee the the prospect or draft picks will pan out...
- willi

Pittsburgh has been taking that chance since its last Cup and have failed miserably with rentals like Jagr at the deadline. So, what's another year of failure and forking over good assets that could turn into valuable components? There is no guarantee Jagr does anything here is there?

Some people just dont get it Bart.
Everyone and they're analytics have taken the soul out of the game. No one wants the storybook ending anymore. But I'm with you, Jagr can still play, he'll still be able to play next year. And I for one love the story line of Jagr starting and ending his career HERE with back to back Stanley Cups.
To me the opportunity though slim, is worth a 2nd round pick, or Bennett.
- stackthepads

I would trade Jags for BB in a heartbeat. You can't tell me CEC wouldn't explode when 68 comes out in the throwbacks! I would love it, but unfortunately fixing the 3C is the bigger problem.

Some people just dont get it Bart.
Everyone and they're analytics have taken the soul out of the game. No one wants the storybook ending anymore. But I'm with you, Jagr can still play, he'll still be able to play next year. And I for one love the story line of Jagr starting and ending his career HERE with back to back Stanley Cups.
To me the opportunity though slim, is worth a 2nd round pick, or Bennett.
- stackthepads

IDK... This team can probably only make one or two moves and I don't see Jagr fixing some obvious holes. Bottom 6 and probably a vet D seem to be the most pressing need.

Frankly, the PP will get fixed when and if HCMJ can get these guys to get the puck on net at all costs. They have an incredible amount of offensive players, I can't believe they need to bring in a slow 42 year old player to fix the PP. Makes no sense to me.

Some people just dont get it Bart.
Everyone and they're analytics have taken the soul out of the game. No one wants the storybook ending anymore. But I'm with you, Jagr can still play, he'll still be able to play next year. And I for one love the story line of Jagr starting and ending his career HERE with back to back Stanley Cups.
To me the opportunity though slim, is worth a 2nd round pick, or Bennett.
- stackthepads

I want the story book ending, but Jagr isn't part of it. Christ, too many people here have this infatuation with him that is mind boggling. He doesn't solve our problem. They are more into bringing back for nostalgic purposes ... a legend to finish his career here at the age of 42 instead of taking a look at reality. Can we stop the fixation on his relevance in Pittsburgh from 1990-2001? He was a very good player for this organization and brought tons of success. That was 14 years ago though.

Pittsburgh has been taking that chance since its last Cup and have failed miserably with rentals like Jagr at the deadline. So, what's another year of failure and forking over good assets that could turn into valuable components? There is no guarantee Jagr does anything here is there?
- Oneonta Penguin

Fail miserably? There's about 26 other teams that would live to have the run we've been on. Just like there's no guarantee Jagr gets us over the top there's no guarantee the traded pieces amount to anything. Our window is slowly closing

IDK... This team can probably only make one or two moves and I don't see Jagr fixing some obvious holes. Bottom 6 and probably a vet D seem to be the most pressing need.

Frankly, the PP will get fixed when and if HCMJ can get these guys to get the puck on net at all costs. They have an incredible amount of offensive players, I can't believe they need to bring in a slow 42 year old player to fix the PP. Makes no sense to me.
- madmike71

See I didnt mention anything in your argument, I want Jagr for the nostalgia. He is an important part of my Penguins history and the idea of him suiting up again for us is thrilling and would provide a level of joy for me that no other player in the league playing for us can accomplish.

But to your points I disagree. If Ehrhoff is good to go we do not need another defender, and if you think that Jagr doesnt fix our 3rd line then you havent been paying attention to what he has been doing since returning from the KHL.

As for our PP, like you said its up to the coaching staff to fix that mess, not Jagr or anyone we would bring in.

I want the story book ending, but Jagr isn't part of it. Christ, too many people here have this infatuation with him that is mind boggling. He doesn't solve our problem. They are more into bringing back for nostalgic purposes ... a legend to finish his career here at the age of 42 instead of taking a look at reality. Can we stop the fixation on his relevance in Pittsburgh from 1990-2001? He was a very good player for this organization and brought tons of success. That was 14 years ago though.
- Oneonta Penguin

Raymond Bourque winning in Colorado was one of the greatest momments in NHL history.

Jagr returns to the Penguins and finishes one of the greatest careers in NHL history by hoisting the cup where it all began for him is a storyline for the ages. That is why he is relevant to the Penguins.

I want the story book ending, but Jagr isn't part of it. Christ, too many people here have this infatuation with him that is mind boggling. He doesn't solve our problem. They are more into bringing back for nostalgic purposes ... a legend to finish his career here at the age of 42 instead of taking a look at reality. Can we stop the fixation on his relevance in Pittsburgh from 1990-2001? He was a very good player for this organization and brought tons of success. That was 14 years ago though.
- Oneonta Penguin

Keeping all our young assets doesn't guarantee a good team down the road. A knee injury, concussion or stroke in the following years to 1 of our stars and everything changes. Or what if Sutter and Adans resign for 5 years?

See I didnt mention anything in your argument, I want Jagr for the nostalgia. He is an important part of my Penguins history and the idea of him suiting up again for us is thrilling and would provide a level of joy for me that no other player in the league playing for us can accomplish.

But to your points I disagree. If Ehrhoff is good to go we do not need another defender, and if you think that Jagr doesnt fix our 3rd line then you havent been paying attention to what he has been doing since returning from the KHL.

As for our PP, like you said its up to the coaching staff to fix that mess, not Jagr or anyone we would bring in.
- stackthepads

It's a good story line no doubt, and in a no cap league I'd say hell yeah get Jagr. Unfortunately I don't see the fit and he's not what this team is missing.

The 3rd line doesn't get fixed until you fix the center. Sutter never has the puck to dish to Jags. He's got 9 assists. He's terrible. Like I said earlier, Jagr will finally know what "dying alive" means if he's playing with Sutter as his center.

As far as the D goes... They're just one injury away from playing Bortz and Pouliot....that should scare the sh*t out of everybody here.

Some people just dont get it Bart.
Everyone and they're analytics have taken the soul out of the game. No one wants the storybook ending anymore. But I'm with you, Jagr can still play, he'll still be able to play next year. And I for one love the story line of Jagr starting and ending his career HERE with back to back Stanley Cups.
To me the opportunity though slim, is worth a 2nd round pick, or Bennett.
- stackthepads

psst... The analytics say get him, he's very good

Pittsburgh has been taking that chance since its last Cup and have failed miserably with rentals like Jagr at the deadline. So, what's another year of failure and forking over good assets that could turn into valuable components? There is no guarantee Jagr does anything here is there?
- Oneonta Penguin

Not that I disagree with you in theory, but there's no guarantees of anything either way, really. Rentals can be useless, but draft picks and prospects can pan out to el zilcho.

It's a good story line no doubt, and in a no cap league I'd say hell yeah get Jagr. Unfortunately I don't see the fit and he's not what this team is missing.

The 3rd line doesn't get fixed until you fix the center. Sutter never has the puck to dish to Jags. He's got 9 assists. He's terrible. Like I said earlier, Jagr will finally know what "dying alive" means if he's playing with Sutter as his center.

As far as the D goes... They're just one injury away from playing Bortz and Pouliot....that should scare the sh*t out of everybody here.
- madmike71

Ok you are making this a discussion about Sutter sucking, you arent going to get an argument from me on that front, he's terrible. But if you dont think Jagr, a guy who controls play on his own can't make this team better because of Sutter then who can? Ideally Sutter is traded but if he isnt who is a better to add than Jagr?

And you cant make the what if you get an injury argument, it isnt a basis to plan around. Yes if a dman goes down it would be terrible, not as terrible as say Crosby or Malkin going down, which getting Jagr would somewhat insulate against.

psst... The analytics say get him, he's very good
- usethe1-2-2

Glad you agree.

Ok you are making this a discussion about Sutter sucking, you arent going to get an argument from me on that front, he's terrible. But if you dont think Jagr, a guy who controls play on his own can't make this team better because of Sutter then who can? Ideally Sutter is traded but if he isnt who is a better to add than Jagr?

And you cant make the what if you get an injury argument, it isnt a basis to plan around. Yes if a dman goes down it would be terrible, not as terrible as say Crosby or Malkin going down, which getting Jagr would somewhat insulate against.
- stackthepads

That's the thing... My single obsession if I'm JR would be to swap out Sutter. If he's honestly evaluating this team, he can see it too.

As far as the D goes... I think they could survive a round of either Malkin or Sid going down. I don't feel confident they could survive a series of Bortz and Pouliot. It's not like our D are of the "iron man" mold. Letang, Martin, Hoff.....well I don't want to use the word fragile but...