We have done that for how many years now. I just have a problem putting faith in someone who I don't feel is a good player. We brought him in hoping he would be another Chara and he has done nothing but let us down I say we cut our losses and see what we can get for him. or package him in a deal with a few players
- Maverick1818

You have to get out of that frame of mind. He isn't Chara, Pronger, Weber, etc. Those comparisons weren't fair. I thought he'd be a top pairing guy, but I think he's more of a 3/4/5 guy. Nothing wrong with that. You need those guys too.

I wouldn't be fiercely opposed to trading him, I just don't see the benefit of doing that. You aren't going to trade him for much better unless you add another quality piece.

The leafs are sellers right now and if they don't have faith in him then they shouldn't worry about him
- Maverick1818

Really doubt they move him.

From the main roster, I see them keeping JVR, Kadri, Komarov, Polak, Gardiner, and Rielly. And Bernier.

Don't want to draft guys and bring them into a team that has absolutely nothing. These guys have pretty good work ethic/are pretty young(not Polak, but he's a good role model).

You have to get out of that frame of mind. He isn't Chara, Pronger, Weber, etc. Those comparisons weren't fair. I thought he'd be a top pairing guy, but I think he's more of a 3/4/5 guy. Nothing wrong with that. You need those guys too.

I wouldn't be fiercely opposed to trading him, I just don't see the benefit of doing that. You aren't going to trade him for much better unless you add another quality piece.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed thats why I think putting a package together with him in it is the best option.

Although I'm not sure he is even a 3/4/5 pairing guy. I think we have much better D and much better opens then keeping him for the sake of keeping him

any thoughts on what "big bold move" players you would be interested in trading for?
- Maverick1818

Love this question! Time to play fantasy for a bit. I'll go with "realistic" moves (I use that term loosely) as guys like Towes and Geztlaf won't be moved for years.

I'd aim to get Matt Duchene out of Colorado. Everyone thinks O'Reilly will be traded because they have Mckinnion and Duchene, but moving Duchene could prove to be more beneficial in create a tiny more cap room and no more mystery on who the #1 and #2 centres are. And you'd get better assets coming back.

Logan Couture could be another good target. The Sharks have seem to have settled down now, but another playoff bust could cause a shake up. However, he might be the one untouchable guy.

I'd love for Ottawa to make a stab at Mike Green. It would add an interesting dimension to our blueline and possibly a lethal PP. But his cap hit will be too much for his not overly impressive defensive play.

And the big one! I do think Pittsburgh will eventually have to choose between Crosby and Malkin. I think it's assumed that they would choose Crosby. The asking price would be the moon for either one, but I think that day is coming if they don't win again soon.

Love this question! Time to play fantasy for a bit. I'll go with "realistic" moves (I use that term loosely) as guys like Towes and Geztlaf won't be moved for years.

I'd aim to get Matt Duchene out of Colorado. Everyone thinks O'Reilly will be traded because they have Mckinnion and Duchene, but moving Duchene could prove to be more beneficial in create a tiny more cap room and no more mystery on who the #1 and #2 centres are. And you'd get better assets coming back.

Logan Couture could be another good target. The Sharks have seem to have settled down now, but another playoff bust could cause a shake up. However, he might be the one untouchable guy.

I'd love for Ottawa to make a stab at Mike Green. It would add an interesting dimension to our blueline and possibly a lethal PP. But his cap hit will be too much for his not overly impressive defensive play.

And the big one! I do think Pittsburgh will eventually have to choose between Crosby and Malkin. I think it's assumed that they would choose Crosby. The asking price would be the moon for either one, but I think that day is coming if they don't win again soon.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Very interesting, i think Duchene would be an amazing pick up although I think he is the Ave's future so I donno if they would give him up. Same with Couture.

Mike Green is a very interesting one right now. I think him and Karlsson would be amazing as a 1-2 punch on D.

Crosby will never leave Pitts and to be honest I wouldn't want him. Not because I don't feel he is a great player but because he limits the team cap wise as well as needs a supporting cast. Malkin I would absolutely love although I do feel he limits a team cap wise as well. the Pens have spent almost 50% of their budget on 3 players and they are stuck with them for a long time. I personally don't think they will win another cup with them because they can't afford to build that supporting cast.

Very interesting, i think Duchene would be an amazing pick up although I think he is the Ave's future so I donno if they would give him up. Same with Couture.

Mike Green is a very interesting one right now. I think him and Karlsson would be amazing as a 1-2 punch on D.

Crosby will never leave Pitts and to be honest I wouldn't want him. Not because I don't feel he is a great player but because he limits the team cap wise as well as needs a supporting cast. Malkin I would absolutely love although I do feel he limits a team cap wise as well. the Pens have spent almost 50% of their budget on 3 players and they are stuck with them for a long time. I personally don't think they will win another cup with them because they can't afford to build that supporting cast.
- Maverick1818

Oh ya. None of these are likely. Green perhaps, but still a stretch. With that said, I never in a million years thought we would trade for Ryan and sign him longterm, but look at how that turned out, granted they were shopping him quietly.

Oh ya. None of these are likely. Green perhaps, but still a stretch. With that said, I never in a million years thought we would trade for Ryan and sign him longterm, but look at how that turned out, granted they were shopping him quietly.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Green is interesting. Ryan I actually said about a year before he was traded would be a great pick up for Ottawa. it was the type of bold move I wish we would try more often

Green is interesting. Ryan I actually said about a year before he was traded would be a great pick up for Ottawa. it was the type of bold move I wish we would try more often
- Maverick1818

What user were you at that time, newbie?

Once guys like Zibanejad, Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Lehner, Ceci, and Cowen are all set, you can start bringing in players to support them; whether that's next season or two seasons from now, I don't know. Right now Ottawa needs to get rid of some of their bad contracts ( i.e Michalek, Legwand) and draft well in the offseason. Along with maybe stealing a few RFAs and UFAs during FA. This season's deadline is going to be very dull, I wouldn't expect any big names other than Yandle to be traded, so don't get your hopes up.

Green is interesting. Ryan I actually said about a year before he was traded would be a great pick up for Ottawa. it was the type of bold move I wish we would try more often
- Maverick1818

You can only do so many of those trades before your prospect pool becomes dry as poop.

What user were you at that time, newbie?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I wasn't on here I was on NHL.com

You can only do so many of those trades before your prospect pool becomes dry as poop.
- TheCalSen

I'm not saying do these all the time. I'm saying from time to time they are good moves

Very interesting, i think Duchene would be an amazing pick up although I think he is the Ave's future so I donno if they would give him up. Same with Couture.

Mike Green is a very interesting one right now. I think him and Karlsson would be amazing as a 1-2 punch on D.

Crosby will never leave Pitts and to be honest I wouldn't want him. Not because I don't feel he is a great player but because he limits the team cap wise as well as needs a supporting cast. Malkin I would absolutely love although I do feel he limits a team cap wise as well. the Pens have spent almost 50% of their budget on 3 players and they are stuck with them for a long time. I personally don't think they will win another cup with them because they can't afford to build that supporting cast.
- Maverick1818

Matty D would cost too much.

I think Green resignes in WSH..

Malkin makes more $$$ than Crosby.

Chicago will have to let a good player go this offseason to get under cap for next.

Matty D would cost too much.

I think Green resignes in WSH..

Malkin makes more $$$ than Crosby.

Chicago will have to let a good player go this offseason to get under cap for next.
- Erik6Karlsson5

Agreed MD does cost a ton.

I also think Green will stay in Washington, they have something awesome going on there. Their D are good but they need better forwards to support OVI and Backs

Malkin may cost more then Crosby but Malkin has also been an amazing leader on that team and has always worked well with others. Crosby hasn't.

Chicago is the interesting part though. I feel like players would take a home town discount to stay there. But I also feel like they have done such a good job with Toews, Kane, Hossa, and their core group that they can afford to get rid of those pieces and replace them like the did with Big Buf, Versteeg the first time, Havlat and more. They are build in a way where it doesn't matter who they get rid of they are replaceable.

I was listening on team 1200 last night and heard them say that there are rumblings out
of Edmonton of a possible trade with Ottawa!!

Lehner keeps letting in bad goals it seems. And I wish I could say it was just this session but it isn't. He seriously needs to work on his positioning and concentration as at the moment I can't see him being a number one.
- kratosmr

Same things were said about Elliot and Bishop. Not to pick on one comment, it's been a common sentiment. I hope they don't give up on him too soon.

I was listening on team 1200 last night and heard them say that there are rumblings out
of Edmonton of a possible trade with Ottawa!!
- jaffy01

i'll take Yakupov, Hall and RNH lol and Ebs lol

Agreed MD does cost a ton.

I also think Green will stay in Washington, they have something awesome going on there. Their D are good but they need better forwards to support OVI and Backs

Malkin may cost more then Crosby but Malkin has also been an amazing leader on that team and has always worked well with others. Crosby hasn't.

Chicago is the interesting part though. I feel like players would take a home town discount to stay there. But I also feel like they have done such a good job with Toews, Kane, Hossa, and their core group that they can afford to get rid of those pieces and replace them like the did with Big Buf, Versteeg the first time, Havlat and more. They are build in a way where it doesn't matter who they get rid of they are replaceable.
- Maverick1818

Crosby is and has been the best player in the universe for the past 4-5 years..

The package for Crosby would have to be a ridiculous over payment. Same for Malkin, Stamkos, Toews, Kane, ect.. ect...

Chicago IS going to be in Cap trouble after this season.

And the big one! I do think Pittsburgh will eventually have to choose between Crosby and Malkin. I think it's assumed that they would choose Crosby. The asking price would be the moon for either one, but I think that day is coming if they don't win again soon.


Crosby and Malkin are clearly staying put for a long while in Pitt..

I think Blackhawks may have a harder time dealing with their Cap then Pens.

Crosby is and has been the best player in the universe for the past 4-5 years..

The package for Crosby would have to be a ridiculous over payment. Same for Malkin, Stamkos, Toews, Kane, ect.. ect...

Chicago IS going to be in Cap trouble after this season.
- Erik6Karlsson5

hahaha we are going to have to agree to disagree on that one my friend.

but agreed the package for all those huge players and will more then likely never move.

they said that about Chicago the first time they won the cup and again the next season and so on. They have a system and know what they are doing.

hahaha we are going to have to agree to disagree on that one my friend.

but agreed the package for all those huge players and will more then likely never move.

they said that about Chicago the first time they won the cup and again the next season and so on. They have a system and know what they are doing.
- Maverick1818

Imagine if it wasn't a cap world and they could've kept Big Buff, Bolland, Campbell ect..

More hockey talent run through that organization in the last 5-6 years then any other.

Imagine if it wasn't a cap world and they could've kept Big Buff, Bolland, Campbell ect..

More hockey talent run through that organization in the last 5-6 years then any other.
- Erik6Karlsson5

I know it's crazy! but i think it all started with just having a winning bold attitude. which I think Ottawa needs more of

Pierre McGuire made the point on TSN radio the other day that was so silly .... said the mistake Sens wish they could back to was taking Tarensko instead of trading the pick to St. Louis for rundbland. So basically trading Turris for Tarensko would change this team?

Tarensko - Zibanejad - Ryan
MacArthur - Lazar? - Stone

You build down the middle and I'll take a Canadian Center that plays two way then a high flying russian scorer. I may be biased in saying that - I don't know what others think - Vlad does seem like he would be a good fit but what type of center ice would we have?

Pierre McGuire made the point on TSN radio the other day that was so silly .... said the mistake Sens wish they could back to was taking Tarensko instead of trading the pick to St. Louis for rundbland. So basically trading Turris for Tarensko would change this team?

Tarensko - Zibanejad - Ryan
MacArthur - Lazar? - Stone

You build down the middle and I'll take a Canadian Center that plays two way then a high flying russian scorer. I may be biased in saying that - I don't know what others think - Vlad does seem like he would be a good fit but what type of center ice would we have?
- AlfieisKing

Who knows..? If we had VT maybe BM doesn't trade for KT, therefor keeping JS...

Pierre McGuire made the point on TSN radio the other day that was so silly .... said the mistake Sens wish they could back to was taking Tarensko instead of trading the pick to St. Louis for rundbland. So basically trading Turris for Tarensko would change this team?

Tarensko - Zibanejad - Ryan
MacArthur - Lazar? - Stone

You build down the middle and I'll take a Canadian Center that plays two way then a high flying russian scorer. I may be biased in saying that - I don't know what others think - Vlad does seem like he would be a good fit but what type of center ice would we have?
- AlfieisKing

either way we are lacking