From the last blog: (core players discussion)

I think you need to reevaluate your definition of "core". A whole team minus a 4th line right winger and a 6th d-man isn't a core. A core is just a few guys.

I'm not sure why Prince seems to be on the team going forward now? He had a good opening game. But lets wait a few before he is a lock and seen as part of the "core."
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I certainly didn't think all these players are going to be part of our core. I simply mentioned the players that could. Core players don't have to be all stars - Neil wasn't part of the "core" but he was certainly an important part of leadership, etc, anyways...

You guys have some dark days ahead of you...
- systemtool

Possible ... Sens have good pieces to build a contender with though: Karlsson, Ryan, Hoffman, Lazar, Zibanejad, Ceci, Lehner, Stone

Ottawa 30+ older club:
Chris Phillips - retire or trade in the off-season/next deadline (Ice time+)
Craig Anderson - If value trade at draft/off season otherwise keep
David Legwand - try and trade! (PP points + Ice time)
Chris Neil - try and trade now or have to do it before next season
Milan Michalek - please try and trade

Others:
Patrick Wiercioch - trade
Eric Condra - let him walk (or trade Smith or Legwand!)
Alex Chiasson - try and trade otherwise give 1-2 year deal max
Mike Hoffman - trade if value there (his $ demands) otherwise 1 year deal
Mark Stone - Sign long term (5 year deal)
Matt Puempel - bring him up and play
Shane Prince - keep him up here

Responding to me? I'm the one responding to you, dumbass.

Dude, you've trolled me like 5 times now after a win where Zibby has a decent game. It's like you can't wait to rush to your computer and shove it into my face. You're one of the first 4 or 5 people to post in the post-game blog and you bold my name and say something moronic to me directly.



As for my analysis, what other players have I got wrong? You don't even know me or what I think about any of the Sens, except for Zibby, who you seem to have a hard on for.

You're a clown man. You showed you were a clown with the very first post that you made after I said Zibby may be a bust as a top 6.
- Charliebox

What's funny is almost every comment you make you get 1 or 2 other people replying to you and almost completely disagreeing. You're an id!ot and think you know way more than you do. You prove it in every post. Get a clue. But I guess everyone is wrong and you're right...

Ottawa 30+ older club:
Chris Phillips - retire or trade in the off-season/next deadline (Ice time+)
Craig Anderson - If value trade at draft/off season otherwise keep
David Legwand - try and trade! (PP points + Ice time)
Chris Neil - try and trade now or have to do it before next season
Milan Michalek - please try and trade

Others:
Patrick Wiercioch - trade
Eric Condra - let him walk (or trade Smith or Legwand!)
Alex Chiasson - try and trade otherwise give 1-2 year deal max
Mike Hoffman - trade if value there (his $ demands) otherwise 1 year deal
Mark Stone - Sign long term (5 year deal)
Matt Puempel - bring him up and play
Shane Prince - keep him up here
- AlfieisKing

Why does everyone want to trade Chiasson so bad ?
Because we all think he should be coming close to Spezza's point totals ?
The guy has played 140 NHL games and is in his second season. And is a 0.5 PPG player.(Good 3rd liner) He has not reached his prime.
Are we selling high on him ?
Murray will get him signed to a very reasonable contract this summer.
It won't be for Greening term and $$$
He is a good 3rd line winger with size(6'4'' 210lbs) moving forward.


Agree on moving guys who have no future when this roster is competetive, a la Neil,Philips and Legwand. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!


EDIT: I'm just glad St.Loius wanted Statsny over Spezza because Patrick Berglund was the roster player coming back. 52GP 6G 11A 17Pts and is 2 years older than AC.

Ottawa 30+ older club:
Chris Phillips - retire or trade in the off-season/next deadline (Ice time+)
Craig Anderson - If value trade at draft/off season otherwise keep
David Legwand - try and trade! (PP points + Ice time)
Chris Neil - try and trade now or have to do it before next season
Milan Michalek - please try and trade

Others:
Patrick Wiercioch - trade
Eric Condra - let him walk (or trade Smith or Legwand!)
Alex Chiasson - try and trade otherwise give 1-2 year deal max
Mike Hoffman - trade if value there (his $ demands) otherwise 1 year deal
Mark Stone - Sign long term (5 year deal)
Matt Puempel - bring him up and play
Shane Prince - keep him up here
- AlfieisKing

I keep seeing this sort of thinking, and it's idiotic.

They're both 5th round picks playing amazing hockey, yet you want to extend one for half a decade and the other is barely worth holding onto?

CLB 4 - PHI 3 - final OT

NJ 17 - BUF 1 - Final

TOR 3 - FLA 2 - final SO

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Sensarmy11...BodyCheckRadio... agree with Lehner being fine. He's so young. No need to worry about a short stretch where he's struggling (more importantly the team is struggling!)

Ottawa Fan - says that Lehner needs more time (not enough if Anderson is here) here's the thing about Craig Anderson - IMO it's time to seriously think about trading him. I don't know if you pull the trigger at the deadline or this summer bcuz Lehner has shown he's not done developing into what many know he will become. Having said that the window will close and the value will fall with respect to Andy so he certainly should be traded sooner before latter. I'd keep him though because he's a leader and one of (if not the #1) MVP on this team. But why need that on a rebuild?

Realistically, I think he will be like a Mike Fisher. 3rd line center on a good team and 2nd line center on a mediocre to weak team.

Like Fisher, he is very "North/South" with a heavy shot and but not much playmaking ability.
- Charliebox

I honestly don't have a problem with this post. This belief that Zibanejad will be nothing more than Fisher is a valid opinion. I don't agree with it (I don't want to) but it's a possibility for sure.

Sensano - at the game - Hoffman/Stone the real deal: I'd say ya they look like it. I'm worried about Hoffman's contract comments. I don't know if I'm right to say this but I'd think of trading him in a package for a proven scorer. Although that opinion is changing quickly. The thing is he doesn't make it sound like he wants to be here

Lol at all the rage in this thread, Zibby is gonna be our #1, and in the words of Dave Batista: Deal with it
- karlsson

No. Zibanejad is not a #1 center in this league; not even in top 40.

People have to stop thinking guys will be "our" number 1 centre, "our" starting goalie, and "our" top 4 d-men. We need guys to evolve that they would be other teams go to guys as well. I'm loving Zibanejad's development, but is it good enough to eventually be up there with some of the best centres in the game (1st line centres)? I'm not so sure about that.

Turris is our number 1 centre right now. I don't think you'll find many fans particularly excited about that. Not even sure how many other teams he would be a number 1 centre on.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed 100% with this. Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar all project to be 2nd liners that bring a lot of intangibles (PK/PP, Faceoffs, Physical edge)

Sens613 thinks Cowen is horrible (hockey sense) and we should go after Petry. I wouldn't give up on Cowen yet (though I understand the frustration) and Petry is a good idea. Although a left side D-man is more needed unless Petry moves to 3rd pairing

Ottawa should run with Anderson(1A) and Lehner(1B) tandem for the next couple seasons.
- Erik6Karlsson5

I agree but when Lehner is ready (which I see as not to far despite recent play) then make the trade. It's about getting return on an aging goalie. Have to make up for that Bishop deal too.

Sens get to play against Tokarski...great chance to grab the 2pts and continue their playoffs march
- Symba007

Are you serious? Tokarshi's playing? Oh no I feel bad for you. Give me a break - we have 2 goalies that have 0 NHL starts ... Has that ever happened before?

Charliebox- Fisher/Zibanajed comparison: Fisher in his 3rd season hit 18G 38pts.... Zibanejad will surpass them both this year. (p.s. to all, Zibanejad is in his 3rd NHL season not 2nd)

I keep seeing this sort of thinking, and it's idiotic.

They're both 5th round picks playing amazing hockey, yet you want to extend one for half a decade and the other is barely worth holding onto?
- TommyDeVito

1. I never said Hoffman was barely holding onto
2. Stone was actually a 6th round pick but who cares
3. Hoffman doesn't want to sign here long term and wants $. It's the contract issues AND the fact that he has only 1 year proven. Stone looks more steady and less risky to sign long term. If Hoffman isn't scoring, then what?

Just to put the Mika vs Couturier argument to rest, mika has more points and goals this season then Sean. Couturier has 18 more points over his career but has about 90 more games in hand.

Moving on

Just to put the Mika vs Couturier argument to rest, mika has more points and goals this season then Sean. Couturier has 18 more points over his career but has about 90 more games in hand.

Moving on

Just to put the Mika vs Couturier argument to rest, mika has more points and goals this season then Sean. Couturier has 18 more points over his career but has about 90 more games in hand.

Moving on
- tuna99

Double post says your not

1. I never said Hoffman was barely holding onto
2. Stone was actually a 6th round pick but who cares
3. Hoffman doesn't want to sign here long term and wants $. It's the contract issues AND the fact that he has only 1 year proven. Stone looks more steady and less risky to sign long term. If Hoffman isn't scoring, then what?
- AlfieisKing

I don't know how you interpreted his brief talk about contracts, but he never alluded to being moved. He simply stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that he would sign for 1-3 years at low cost, but more term would mean more $. That's all he is trying to say, which is a great thing. He doesn't want to get burned when his production increases.

1. I never said Hoffman was barely holding onto
2. Stone was actually a 6th round pick but who cares
3. Hoffman doesn't want to sign here long term and wants $. It's the contract issues AND the fact that he has only 1 year proven. Stone looks more steady and less risky to sign long term. If Hoffman isn't scoring, then what?
- AlfieisKing

He said he doesn't want to sign long term yet.

He wants a bridge deal, because he thinks he can be better. I like that.

poop, if I was the Hoff I'd have some concerns to voice too - like not getting PP time as a forward despite being the teams leading goal scorer, and getting 14 min per game despite being one of the highest points/60 generators, Corsi leaders, and +/- leaders in the NHL.

And to all the guys who don't seem to believe in player development, noone is arguing that Zibanejad is a top line center now.

But to rule him out as one forever because he's not a point per game player as a sophomore is just not very intelligent.

I note nobody responded to my post earlier asking who else they thought were busts, but hey - I don't have to care what you think, I'll just wait and see what he turns into instead of posting uninformed judgements as if I had a crystal ball.

CLB 4 - PHI 3 - final OT

NJ 17 - BUF 1 - Final

TOR 3 - FLA 2 - final SO

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- Erik6Karlsson5

Sensarmy11...BodyCheckRadio... agree with Lehner being fine. He's so young. No need to worry about a short stretch where he's struggling (more importantly the team is struggling!)
- AlfieisKing

By "short stretch", I take it you actually mean his past 2 NHL seasons... which also represents over 70% of his entire NHL career, and the only stretch of time where he's played more than 12 games of a season? Seriously, how do you just look right past the part where he's putting up a 3.00+GAA to go along with the worst save% of his career? Have you seen what goaltending company that puts him in statistically?

The blind faith some people are showing in Lehner is just bizarre to me... doubly so, given that there's literally nothing in the entire prospect system that's even remotely close to making a significant NHL impact. "He's so young" is a mediocre excuse for his play... not a reason to arbitrarily bet the farm on the kid.

- walshyleafsfan

I think T.O will have their pick of anyone not named Mcdavid or Eichel this summer in Florida..

That 3rd spot is all theirs.

By "short stretch", I take it you actually mean his past 2 NHL seasons... which also represents over 70% of his entire NHL career, and the only stretch of time where he's played more than 12 games of a season? Seriously, how do you just look right past the part where he's putting up a 3.00+GAA to go along with the worst save% of his career? Have you seen what goaltending company that puts him in statistically?

The blind faith some people are showing in Lehner is just bizarre to me... doubly so, given that there's literally nothing in the entire prospect system that's even remotely close to making a significant NHL impact. "He's so young" is a mediocre excuse for his play... not a reason to arbitrarily bet the farm on the kid.
- khawk

Lehner played well until the start of 2013-2014 season. His SV% dropped but it was still pretty good. GAA is obviously bad when you giving up so many quality chances.

Lehner still needs some time to become more consistent and learn how to bounce back - that's all young goalies. Sure a Roy comes around here and there but majority struggle. He also hasn't gotten starts consistently. That time he was 1st star of the week in the NHL and then - oh let's just put Anderson in nets :S
(this was the start of last season - http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=690909)

And to all the guys who don't seem to believe in player development, noone is arguing that Zibanejad is a top line center now.

But to rule him out as one forever because he's not a point per game player as a sophomore is just not very intelligent.

I note nobody responded to my post earlier asking who else they thought were busts, but hey - I don't have to care what you think, I'll just wait and see what he turns into instead of posting uninformed judgements as if I had a crystal ball.
- TommyDeVito

Says the guy who posted all summer long Turris was going to be our number 1 centre. What an informed judgement that was.

Everyone has opinions. Heck, that's why we come on here. I think every poster here has been right about a prospect, a trade, team decision the odd time. I think it's safe to say though, every poster here is more often wrong than right. Let's keep the player debates going. It's the only thing keeping these forums alive at this point in the season.

I think T.O will have their pick of anyone not named Mcdavid or Eichel this summer in Florida..

That 3rd spot is all theirs.
- Erik6Karlsson5

Strome

Says the guy who posted all summer long Turris was going to be our number 1 centre. What an informed judgement that was.

Everyone has opinions. Heck, that's why we come on here. I think every poster here has been right about a prospect, a trade, team decision the odd time. I think it's safe to say though, every poster here is more often wrong than right. Let's keep the player debates going. It's the only thing keeping these forums alive at this point in the season.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Lehner played well until the start of 2013-2014 season. His SV% dropped but it was still pretty good. GAA is obviously bad when you giving up so many quality chances. Lehner still needs some time to become more consistent and learn how to bounce back - that's all young goalies.
- AlfieisKing

Lehner also played just 25 games over the course of 3 seasons before the start of the 2013-2014 season - which is about as irrelevant a sample set as you can get, particularly when that same player has played 61 games since and been more than just a bit underwhelming. Don't get me wrong, Lehner may still be able to live up to his potential - but just because he has potential doesn't mean it's a good idea to rush his development, and put him into situations that he's not ready to handle.

Ottawa 30+ older club:
Chris Phillips - retire or trade in the off-season/next deadline (Ice time+)
Craig Anderson - If value trade at draft/off season otherwise keep
David Legwand - try and trade! (PP points + Ice time)
Chris Neil - try and trade now or have to do it before next season
Milan Michalek - please try and trade

Others:
Patrick Wiercioch - trade
Eric Condra - let him walk (or trade Smith or Legwand!)
Alex Chiasson - try and trade otherwise give 1-2 year deal max
Mike Hoffman - trade if value there (his $ demands) otherwise 1 year deal
Mark Stone - Sign long term (5 year deal)
Matt Puempel - bring him up and play
Shane Prince - keep him up here
- AlfieisKing

We developed him, and gave him a salary to support himself while doing it.Iam thinking he understands that an outrageous contract demand at this point wouldnt be a good idea

Others:
Patrick Wiercioch - trade
Eric Condra - let him walk (or trade Smith or Legwand!)
Alex Chiasson - try and trade otherwise give 1-2 year deal max
Mike Hoffman - trade if value there (his $ demands) otherwise 1 year deal
Mark Stone - Sign long term (5 year deal)
Matt Puempel - bring him up and play
Shane Prince - keep him up here
- AlfieisKing

Why on earth would you let Condra walk? Some people's desire to get rid of Condra is just ridiculous to me. He costs you literally peanuts and is EASILY the team's best defensive player. EASILY. He doesn't score goals but 4th liners aren't supposed to.

And you're trading Mike Hoffman? He's a forward that skates like Karlsson, and it's his first full year in the league. He's put up 20 goals on a poopty team, and has done it more or less by himself (i.e. he's not a Cory Conacher who has Stamkos feeding him assists). I really don't think he's going to command huge dollars. Maybe 2.5-3mil on a bridge-like contract. I think you sign him and Stone to similar contracts and get value out of them.

And you've already anointed Shane Prince a mainstay with this team?


Dude.....



My honest belief is that if you add another elite forward to this roster and let it develop- we're dangerous in a year or two. The inconsistencies have to be expected with the young group we have.

It's like some people just want to keep doing this perpetual rebuild- trade off guys right before they hit their prime and start the process over again...

Says the guy who posted all summer long Turris was going to be our number 1 centre. What an informed judgement that was.

Everyone has opinions. Heck, that's why we come on here. I think every poster here has been right about a prospect, a trade, team decision the odd time. I think it's safe to say though, every poster here is more often wrong than right. Let's keep the player debates going. It's the only thing keeping these forums alive at this point in the season.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

True that.

Turris has been a huge letdown for me, I'm not even sure he has maintained his scoring pace from last season

started the year well, but has been ice cold for two months now aside from the odd game.