Why on earth would you let Condra walk? Some people's desire to get rid of Condra is just ridiculous to me. He costs you literally peanuts and is EASILY the team's best defensive player. EASILY. He doesn't score goals but 4th liners aren't supposed to.

And you're trading Mike Hoffman? He's a forward that skates like Karlsson, and it's his first full year in the league. He's put up 20 goals on a poopty team, and has done it more or less by himself (i.e. he's not a Cory Conacher who has Stamkos feeding him assists). I really don't think he's going to command huge dollars. Maybe 2.5-3mil on a bridge-like contract. I think you sign him and Stone to similar contracts and get value out of them.

And you've already anointed Shane Prince a mainstay with this team?


Dude.....

My honest belief is that if you add another elite forward to this roster and let it develop- we're dangerous in a year or two. The inconsistencies have to be expected with the young group we have.

It's like some people just want to keep doing this perpetual rebuild- trade off guys right before they hit their prime and start the process over again...
- Jordo

Exactly, it's ridiculous.

when a guy breaks out like Mike Hoffman, you (frank)ing keep him.

He's on pace for 30 goals and 50 pts in his rookie year! playing 15 minutes a game! only one of those points and none of his 20 goals have come with the man advantage! He's in the top 15 in plus/minus!

Just embarassing for him to even suggest that.

I'm guessing he's just a 67's fan, because no one with their sanity would ever want to keep Shane Prince over Mike Hoffman.

True that.

Turris has been a huge letdown for me, I'm not even sure he has maintained his scoring pace from last season

started the year well, but has been ice cold for two months now aside from the odd game.
- TommyDeVito

I think (or hope?) that Turris is just suffering from a little more attention being put on him in Spezza's absence. I still think he's a solid #2. People also tend to forget that he's only 24 too. He's just entering his prime years, not quite there yet.

People are giving players a pretty hard time who are still getting their legs in the league. They need to remember that Hoffman, Stone, Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Chiasson, Ceci, Cowen, Boro, Lehner are being asked to play significant roles on a hockey club, all while being under the age of 24....

I think (or hope?) that Turris is just suffering from a little more attention being put on him in Spezza's absence. I still think he's a solid #2. People also tend to forget that he's only 24 too. He's just entering his prime years, not quite there yet.

People are giving players a pretty hard time who are still getting their legs in the league. They need to remember that Hoffman, Stone, Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Chiasson, Ceci, Cowen, Boro, Lehner are being asked to play significant roles on a hockey club, all while being under the age of 24....
- Jordo

Age is one thing, but having several years in the NHL under your belt is another thing. Turris has been in the league 6 seasons, 371 games played. Cowen has been in the league 4 seasons, 205 games played. Those two guys have seen what it take to compete in this league. Do we have to wait until the reach the 500 game mark before "we know" where they are at? Other players have more wiggle room. Turris is a 2nd line centre. That's all he ever was and all he'll ever be.

Strome
- walshyleafsfan

Oh fine... We'll take Hanifan at #6

Why on earth would you let Condra walk? Some people's desire to get rid of Condra is just ridiculous to me. He costs you literally peanuts and is EASILY the team's best defensive player. EASILY. He doesn't score goals but 4th liners aren't supposed to.


- Jordo

If you don't sign him, trade him at the deadline. I could see a team wanting him for their defensive depth. Get a 6th or so and draft another Stone.

True that.

Turris has been a huge letdown for me, I'm not even sure he has maintained his scoring pace from last season

started the year well, but has been ice cold for two months now aside from the odd game.
- TommyDeVito

I think a Turris discussion is overdue.
Here is his points per game production over the last three seasons:
2012-13 0.604
2013-14 0.707
2014-15 0.655
So he's down from last year, but not by much. IMO, still putting up good numbers as a 2nd line C playing 1st line role. The eye test for me is that he looks tired out there on some nights, and takes a beating on a regular basis. It wouldn't surprise me to learn he's been playing hurt.

I can understand why some ppl were hoping to see him take the next step and become a 1C after last years numbers, given his age and development curve. But he would have needed to be surrounded by the teams best players for him to have succeeded.

Taking Ryan off that line, i think, had a big impact on his ability to succeed as a 1C.
Some posters have mentioned that there was a lack of chemsitry at the beginning of the year, which led to that line being split up. But Ryan had an injured hand. It was Ryan who was having trouble out there. He's since then really recovered. Ryan should go back with Turris to help the guy carry the heavy load. I'm confident Turris will look better with a legit 1st line player at his side.

I think a Turris discussion is overdue.
Here is his points per game production over the last three seasons:
2012-13 0.604
2013-14 0.707
2014-15 0.655
So he's down from last year, but not by much. IMO, still putting up good numbers as a 2nd line C playing 1st line role. The eye test for me is that he looks tired out there on some nights, and takes a beating on a regular basis. It wouldn't surprise me to learn he's been playing hurt.

I can understand why some ppl were hoping to see him take the next step and become a 1C after last years numbers, given his age and development curve. But he would have needed to be surrounded by the teams best players for him to have succeeded.

Taking Ryan off that line, i think, had a big impact on his ability to succeed as a 1C.
Some posters have mentioned that there was a lack of chemsitry at the beginning of the year, which led to that line being split up. But Ryan had an injured hand. It was Ryan who was having trouble out there. He's since then really recovered. Ryan should go back with Turris to help the guy carry the heavy load. I'm confident Turris will look better with a legit 1st line player at his side.
- BruteSquad

You put Ryan with Turris, you'd probably see a small increase in production. But you would also see Zibby fall off the map again. Ryan, and other great players do that. Make players around them better. This is what we need in a 1st line centre. Turris has never been able to carry a line. Even when he first started here, he had a little birdy named Alfredsson guiding him around the ice.

For me, when I see him play, I see a good 2nd line centre. I don't see any game breaking ability or ability to make other players around him better. He has good hustle, smart 2-way instincts, and plays ok with skilled players (as in he doesn't look lost with better players).

I think, and have always felt Turris should be in the long term plan for this team, but as a 2nd line centre. Asking for more is only asking for trouble. I'd ultimately like to see a great 1st line centre drafted and developed then have Turris and Zibby play similar minutes on the 2nd and 3rd lines. Ideally you get Lazar to play wing, but personally, I wouldn't shy away from dealing him if you find something you want, i.e. moving up in the draft.

We could see the Sens start to drop even furthur down with the upcoming 7 game schedule..

MON @ OTT
FLA @ OTT
OTT @ ANA
OTT @ LA
OTT @ SJ
OTT @ MIN
OTT @ WPG

I predict 5 points out of a possible 14..

You put Ryan with Turris, you'd probably see a small increase in production. But you would also see Zibby fall off the map again. Ryan, and other great players do that. Make players around them better. This is what we need in a 1st line centre. Turris has never been able to carry a line. Even when he first started here, he had a little birdy named Alfredsson guiding him around the ice.

For me, when I see him play, I see a good 2nd line centre. I don't see any game breaking ability or ability to make other players around him better. He has good hustle, smart 2-way instincts, and plays ok with skilled players (as in he doesn't look lost with better players).

I think, and have always felt Turris should be in the long term plan for this team, but as a 2nd line centre. Asking for more is only asking for trouble. I'd ultimately like to see a great 1st line centre drafted and developed then have Turris and Zibby play similar minutes on the 2nd and 3rd lines. Ideally you get Lazar to play wing, but personally, I wouldn't shy away from dealing him if you find something you want, i.e. moving up in the draft.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Iam thinking the talk of another Bobby Ryan trade,is getting KT a winger to play with that has some experience .Thus allowing Stone to move to the third line

Iam thinking the talk of another Bobby Ryan trade,is getting KT a winger to play with that has some experience .Thus allowing Stone to move to the third line
- top shelf 15

In my opinion, it's always a mistake to trade for players to pair with another player. It's a big gamble. Chances are that is won't work out and other moves will have to be made. Many saw Ryan coming in as perfect winger for Spezza, despite that experiment probably not lasting long enough, it didn't work, and other moves were made.

If you are going to trade for a winger just to add depth, fine. But giving up assets to make the life of our 2nd line centre a bit easier, when it may not help, is too risky.

Stone and Hoffman should be penciled in for 1st and 2nd line duties next season.

In my opinion, it's always a mistake to trade for players to pair with another player. It's a big gamble. Chances are that is won't work out and other moves will have to be made. Many saw Ryan coming in as perfect winger for Spezza, despite that experiment probably not lasting long enough, it didn't work, and other moves were made.

If you are going to trade for a winger just to add depth, fine. But giving up assets to make the life of our 2nd line centre a bit easier, when it may not help, is too risky.

Stone and Hoffman should be penciled in for 1st and 2nd line duties next season.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Legitimate 1LC is our obvious target. It's possible Zbad will be that guy, but it isn't a sure thing. Outside of a bonafide top centre though, our depth is pretty good:

Zibanejad
Turris
Lazar
Pageau

In my opinion, it's always a mistake to trade for players to pair with another player. It's a big gamble. Chances are that is won't work out and other moves will have to be made. Many saw Ryan coming in as perfect winger for Spezza, despite that experiment probably not lasting long enough, it didn't work, and other moves were made.

If you are going to trade for a winger just to add depth, fine. But giving up assets to make the life of our 2nd line centre a bit easier, when it may not help, is too risky.

Stone and Hoffman should be penciled in for 1st and 2nd line duties next season.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Yep this line of thinking is reasonable . My reasoning has more to do with the falling cap ,and the overall depth of the team .Some good players will be available cheap next offseason or even at the deadline .With have some cheap decent assets that could make such a venture, quite profitable for us

You put Ryan with Turris, you'd probably see a small increase in production. But you would also see Zibby fall off the map again. Ryan, and other great players do that. Make players around them better. This is what we need in a 1st line centre. Turris has never been able to carry a line. Even when he first started here, he had a little birdy named Alfredsson guiding him around the ice.


- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Really? His zone entry is really, really good. He distributes the puck to his wingers really well, and doesn't cough it up in bad areas (a gentle jab at Spezza). If anything, he contributes to his wingers success more than his wingers contribute to his. I think we are both in agreement that he is a 2nd line C right now. But saying that Turris is the one being carried around? In his first year here...yes... but not in his last two seasons.

IF we wanted him to at least look decent as the teams first line Centreman, then you gotta support the dude. But he's been put into a 1C position with 2nd line support on the wings, at times with 3rd line wingers (Chiasson, Michalek). Of course he's going to struggle. This was the same argument I was hearing about Spezza last year when he had third line wingers all year long.

Basically my argument is that Turris could potentially be a decent 1C with support. Would our 1st line look decent with Hoff - Turris - Ryan. Last year, the only bright spot wast the Mac - Turris - Ryan line. So its not like we haven't seen it before.

I get the argument about spreading the scoring around. However, Ziba is starting to 'get it', maybe we can take the training wheels off now, and see if he can carry a 2nd line without Ryan: MM - Zib - Stone, or a variation of something like that. Finish the year with KT and Ryan together.

We could see the Sens start to drop even furthur down with the upcoming 7 game schedule..

MON @ OTT
FLA @ OTT
OTT @ ANA
OTT @ LA
OTT @ SJ
OTT @ MIN
OTT @ WPG

I predict 5 points out of a possible 14..
- Erik6Karlsson5

I predict 2, with those 2 coming on the tail end at winnipeg, who just lost one of their better defensive Dmen for Myers, and has Stafford and Perrault out.

I think we finish in 25th place, with only Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona, and Toronto being worse.

At least, that's where I'd like to be. It will only be more guaranteed the longer Anderson is out. If his hand is indeed having a hard time recuperating, I'd rather we sat him ROS to rehab that blocker hand and be ready for next year.

In my opinion, it's always a mistake to trade for players to pair with another player. It's a big gamble. Chances are that is won't work out and other moves will have to be made. Many saw Ryan coming in as perfect winger for Spezza, despite that experiment probably not lasting long enough, it didn't work, and other moves were made.

If you are going to trade for a winger just to add depth, fine. But giving up assets to make the life of our 2nd line centre a bit easier, when it may not help, is too risky.

Stone and Hoffman should be penciled in for 1st and 2nd line duties next season.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed. These are both top 6 players.

The issue is we currently have an ice cold MacArthur looking worth about half his contract, and two centermen who aren't getting it done as we'd hoped they would.

Ideally, we need one of two things to happen:

- We finish in the bottom 5, win the lotto to draft McDavid or settle for Marner
- Zibanejad takes that next step and we see a 20-30 point jump in his production next season (3rd season is often the year for second-tier first round draft picks to break out)

Also wouldn't mind seeing MacArthur wake up, but seeing as he's now almost surely concussed perhaps that isn't going to happen.

Really? His zone entry is really, really good. He distributes the puck to his wingers really well, and doesn't cough it up in bad areas (a gentle jab at Spezza). If anything, he contributes to his wingers success more than his wingers contribute to his. I think we are both in agreement that he is a 2nd line C right now. But saying that Turris is the one being carried around? In his first year here...yes... but not in his last two seasons.

IF we wanted him to at least look decent as the teams first line Centreman, then you gotta support the dude. But he's been put into a 1C position with 2nd line support on the wings, at times with 3rd line wingers (Chiasson, Michalek). Of course he's going to struggle. This was the same argument I was hearing about Spezza last year when he had third line wingers all year long.

Basically my argument is that Turris could potentially be a decent 1C with support. Would our 1st line look decent with Hoff - Turris - Ryan. Last year, the only bright spot wast the Mac - Turris - Ryan line. So its not like we haven't seen it before.

I get the argument about spreading the scoring around. However, Ziba is starting to 'get it', maybe we can take the training wheels off now, and see if he can carry a 2nd line without Ryan: MM - Zib - Stone, or a variation of something like that. Finish the year with KT and Ryan together.
- BruteSquad

You are right. We have seen it before. And he put up 2nd line numbers. He has great zone entries and corsi. Wipdeedoo. You still have to produce points. We haven't seen that from him in over 370 NHL games. He's a 2nd line centre. Sure putting more skilled players back on his wings might help his point total this season a bit, but how about getting an actual 1st line centre for our skilled players? 1st line centres make wingers better. It shouldn't be the other way around. Turris would be a much better player if he was playing behind a true 1st line centre.

Carolina apparently interested in acquiring Weircioch.

Carolina apparently interested in acquiring Weircioch.
- BINGO!

Wouldnt be a bad move tbh ,he wont be expensive both in cap cost and assets to get him

Wouldnt be a bad move tbh ,he wont be expensive both in cap cost and assets to get him

- top shelf 15

Need depth to replace Sekera and don't really have any prospects ready to step into a depth D role next season. I'd be all for it, honestly.

Carolina apparently interested in acquiring Weircioch.
- BINGO!

Need depth to replace Sekera and don't really have any prospects ready to step into a depth D role next season. I'd be all for it, honestly.
- BINGO!

Any idea what the offer would be? I mean his value has to be at an alltime low at this point.

Need depth to replace Sekera and don't really have any prospects ready to step into a depth D role next season. I'd be all for it, honestly.
- BINGO!

Yep ,he still may have some upside,he is a great passer with some good offensive talent.Downside is his lack of physicality ,he tries buts he is a tall toothpick .Also his speed is just so/so

Any idea what the offer would be? I mean his value has to be at an alltime low at this point.
- david22

Probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick. What they're willing to give up is probably linked to what they get for Sekera, Tlusty and/or McClement.

Any idea what the offer would be? I mean his value has to be at an alltime low at this point.
- david22

Probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick. What they're willing to give up is probably linked to what they get for Sekera, Tlusty and/or McClement.

Probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick. What they're willing to give up is probably linked to what they get for Sekera, Tlusty and/or McClement.
- BINGO!

Yep a low pick if its this year a higher one if we wait ,for next season is what would probably happen .any where from a 4th to a 2nd is where i think it goes