If Boston Trades Eriksson, That Seguin trade looks worse and worse.

This is a oh my

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1...geName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

That edge looks like a botched trim job or a fake.
- dadeadhead

not to mention the (frank)ed up corners

very good my ass

Which I have said numerous times that he is a top tier goal scorer.

Trading between divisional teams tends to be more costly.

He is one dimensional.

His contract sucks IMO.

His contract dictates what you'll need to pay the kids when the time comes.

There is a reason Toronto may look to move him and it's he doesn't fit their rebuilding plans. When a guy at 27 signed long term isn't part of your long term plans a red flag goes up IMO. I'll stand by my statement and pass on Kessel 10 of 10 times.
- dadeadhead

I don't like that sentiment at all. The league as a whole "dictates" contracts, and a 30 goal scorer (each of the last 5 full-length seasons) "deserves" that contract. If Girgensons expects 8 million...maybe ever, there are issues.

You don't think a guy projected to be so good in Reinhart, or McEichel will be getting paid 8M+ in the future regardless of if Kessel was on this team?

If Boston Trades Eriksson, That Seguin trade looks worse and worse.
- ImThatGuy

when he gets traded


not if

that's a horrible argument..... all that matters is goals/game. if your scoring .36 goals/ game your scoring 30 goals a season in a normal healthy season. and hes passed that every year
- sabres2016

The record books say otherwise.


It's like the if Mario Lemieux had been healthy his whole career he'd surpass Gretzky argument.

Well he wasn't.

You either scored 30+ goals a season for 7 straight years or you haven't. Phil Kessel hasn't. That is the reality. This if he or he would have if bs is exactly that bs.

when he gets traded


not if
- homiedclown

Correct. I still cant believe Boston fans defend that trade.

ovi .622 goals per game played in the nhl

kessel .379 goals per game played in the nhl

Correct. I still cant believe Boston fans defend that trade.
- ImThatGuy

I thought Reilly Smith would turn into a consistent 25 goal scorer after last season


Now it looks more like a Paille season (07/08) for him last year

The record books say otherwise.


It's like the if Mario Lemieux had been healthy his whole career he'd surpass Gretzky argument.

Well he wasn't.

You either scored 30+ goals a season for 7 straight years or you haven't. Phil Kessel hasn't. That is the reality. This if he or he would have if bs is exactly that bs.
- dadeadhead

Semantics, as on poster said already. 20g in 48 games wasnt due to injury. His pace is slightly down this year and there is no telling if he will or wont hit 30g.

The guy scores goals at a clip not many do for todays NHL. IMO only the length of the contract sucks, but if Murrays plan is to be competing for the playoffs in two years, or even next year i think kessel is something he needs to look into.

The record books say otherwise.


It's like the if Mario Lemieux had been healthy his whole career he'd surpass Gretzky argument.

Well he wasn't.

You either scored 30+ goals a season for 7 straight years or you haven't. Phil Kessel hasn't. That is the reality. This if he or he would have if bs is exactly that bs.
- dadeadhead

Yeah the Mario argument makes sense because its long term. Single season vs career is completely different. there's no need to argue semantics, he scores a goal every 2.5 games which is top caliber of goal scoring and the top 20 most years

Semantics, as on poster said already. 20g in 48 games wasnt due to injury. His pace is slightly down this year and there is no telling if he will or wont hit 30g.

The guy scores goals at a clip not many do for todays NHL. IMO only the length of the contract sucks, but if Murrays plan is to be competing for the playoffs in two years, or even next year i think kessel is something he needs to look into.
- ieetbred

Which if people are posting more and reading less would know I've said several times now.

Look what it took to get Kane and Bogosian. If you think for one second you get Kessel by himself for anything less, I have some land for sale in Florida for you. He will not go cheap and say Toronto eat celery, you open Kessel up to the whole league to be able to squeeze him in under the cap.

Yeah the Mario argument makes sense because its long term. Single season vs career is completely different. there's no need to argue semantics, he scores a goal every 2.5 games which is top caliber of goal scoring and the top 20 most years
- sabres2016

Funny the ones that argue that forget Gretzky missed time to and never factor in those games for him.

I've done the math, Mario wins the goals, Gretzky still takes the assists and points.


Again I have never said once Kessel isn't a top tier goal scorer.

The record books say otherwise.


It's like the if Mario Lemieux had been healthy his whole career he'd surpass Gretzky argument.

Well he wasn't.

You either scored 30+ goals a season for 7 straight years or you haven't. Phil Kessel hasn't. That is the reality. This if he or he would have if bs is exactly that bs.
- dadeadhead

Its unfair to count the lockout then. He was on a pace to score 30. It's not his fault there was only 40 games. I'm not a big kessel fan but the dude can score.

We shoud trade for Kyle Okposo. I'll be waiting right here.
- TheSabresTaco

Throw a proposal out.

Kessel...

Pros: score goals, brings speed up front, would create a formidable top line(pending last place finish), help the PP

Cons: one dimensional, big(overpaid?) lengthy contract, would cost a large ransom to be traded in division. if we are not good enough soon enough to justify him, he begins to look old in 3-4 years with said large contract becoming a problem

Its unfair to count the lockout then. He was on a pace to score 30. It's not his fault there was only 40 games. I'm not a big kessel fan but the dude can score.
- Fattony1187

48 games but who's counting.


And for now the IDK how many times now I never said he couldn't.

Which if people are posting more and reading less would know I've said several times now.

Look what it took to get Kane and Bogosian. If you think for one second you get Kessel by himself for anything less, I have some land for sale in Florida for you. He will not go cheap and say Toronto eat celery, you open Kessel up to the whole league to be able to squeeze him in under the cap.
- dadeadhead

Oh i agree with that, just posted a pro/con with his cost to be brought here as a con.

edit to the bolded: aside from in division, im not sure toronto will get market value for him. I cant see a team selling the farm for him, and if they really want him gone will end up taking less than advertised. A young roster player, high 1st rd pick and solid prospect is probably what they would settle for.

Throw a proposal out.
- Cptmjl

There was a rumor that Darcy turned down a deal of Stafford straight up for Okposo around the 2013 deadline.

It has legs too.

Oh i agree with that, just posted a pro/con with his cost to be brought here as a con.
- ieetbred

Once goal scores hit 30, their production tends to go down in a big way.

Which honestly even though I like Moulson, shocked me when they signed him for the term they did.

If Boston Trades Eriksson, That Seguin trade looks worse and worse.
- ImThatGuy

Depends what they get.

not to mention the (frank)ed up corners

very good my ass
- homiedclown

Agreed.


I'm looking at a PSA 4 at them moment for a buy it now of 148. It has a best offer on it. I might offer 125 and call it a day. I picked up a complete set minus the Gretzky in mt-nrmt condition the other day for 140.

Once goal scores hit 30, their production tends to go down in a big way.

Which honestly even though I like Moulson, shocked me when they signed him for the term they did.
- dadeadhead

Yea, 5 years for moulson is hefty. I believe him and kessel to be on totally different levels though. Has moulson gotten it done anywhere besides tavares' wing?

There was a rumor that Darcy turned down a deal of Stafford straight up for Okposo around the 2013 deadline.

It has legs too.
- dadeadhead

Points wise he had a terrible year but he was one of our strongest players down the stretch none the less but I do remember hearing something along those lines whether it was true or not is a whole other story of course.

Points wise he had a terrible year but he was one of our strongest players down the stretch none the less but I do remember hearing something along those lines whether it was true or not is a whole other story of course.
- Cptmjl

I don't get much often but I heard that from 2 people I trust and one that I don't. The one I don't trust told me before the other two. And no they don't know each other.

Like I said IMO it has/had legs.

Yea, 5 years for moulson is hefty. I believe him and kessel to be on totally different levels though. Has moulson gotten it done anywhere besides tavares' wing?
- ieetbred

Nope. When he was moved off that line(for mailing it in and being lazy in the defensive/ neutral zone) he was absolutely worthless and had a negative effect overall on the team. That is 100% why Snow considered him not part of the core and why he was traded.