I'd love a 3 year 5.75max. But at the end of the day we need someone to replace his minutes so OK,MM,DN don't have to next season. We can't go into next season expecting 3 of klefbomb/ Schultz /Marincin/Nurse to fill out our top 4.
- OilerFan16

MacT will have to work the phones and find his Boychuk and Leddy deals.

MacT will have to work the phones and find his Boychuk and Leddy deals.
- Dangles13

Got that right

if petry doesn't wanna be here, then ill moot. but even if he wants to be here in the first place;

id assume his agent started at 6 or even 6+ long term. mact started at 4.

gotta bridge the gap. and term is extremely important to us going forward as the kids we hope will develop will eventually want big money.

but even considering that, one has to think if mact wants to take steps forward hes gotta allocate some money towards the dollars that a true top pairing guy commands (at least 6)
if he wants to resign petry and do that he cant blow his wad all over jeff.


but if he tries to save and then petry walks and he cant acquire said top pairing guy, we take steps back from any positive ones forward weve recently achieved.
it aint easy.

jeff at 5.5 for even 4-5 years is reasonable as its less than a 2 mil raise, and is worth every penny for the next couple years. and even considering nurse and klefbom turn out and we're paying our 3rd best (I like marincin, but he'll need to improve positionally alot as im not sure hes ever gonna be physically willing enough to be a dominant top 4) dman 5.5 in 3 years, I think hes movable at that price with only a year or two left on his deal

convoluted mess. considering the fact that mact cant sign big names and is getting lowballed in trade proposals as no one is gonna help us get better, macts job right now is a motherfuker

Who said I want him to be our best? I want to retain him to play for us and also upgrade on some of the guys we already have. In case you haven't noticed there are no defensemen available. We're not the only team looking for them and the ones that were to be ufa's are all getting retained by their teams for a premium because of it. If you can magically pull 3 or 4 top 4 defensemen out of your ass then go ahead and do it. But if not, you resign Petry and pay market price for him.
- Ihatebrianburke

you missed the point again.....its not about recognizing the talent, its about managing the cap......neither of us have a crystal ball but what if we do get a D-Man this summer? What if Klefbom commands 6 million on his bridge deal in 2 years? What id Schultz breaks out ? What if Nurse pulls a Drew Doughty ? What if we have to pay a goalie 5 million +???

MacT will have to work the phones and find his Boychuk and Leddy deals.
- Dangles13

Those were both done late. Mact isn't going to wait around for a last minute deal. He can't. Which is why we got Nikitin and Fayne because the price for those others was way too high at that time. The price came down drastically when the Bruins and hawks were down to the wire needing to make the cap.

As for The Petry at 5+? That's ridiculous.

He's a second pair guy. If he makes more than Brodie then its a terrible signing. Petry is not worth over 5 not by a long shot.

if petry doesn't wanna be here, then ill moot. but even if he wants to be here in the first place;

id assume his agent started at 6 or even 6+ long term. mact started at 4.

gotta bridge the gap. and term is extremely important to us going forward as the kids we hope will develop will eventually want big money.

but even considering that, one has to think if mact wants to take steps forward hes gotta allocate some money towards the dollars that a true top pairing guy commands (at least 6)
if he wants to resign petry and do that he cant blow his wad all over jeff.


but if he tries to save and then petry walks and he cant acquire said top pairing guy, we take steps back from any positive ones forward weve recently achieved.
it aint easy.

jeff at 5.5 for even 4-5 years is reasonable as its less than a 2 mil raise, and is worth every penny for the next couple years. and even considering nurse and klefbom turn out and we're paying our 3rd best (I like marincin, but he'll need to improve positionally alot as im not sure hes ever gonna be physically willing enough to be a dominant top 4) dman 5.5 in 3 years, I think hes movable at that price with only a year or two left on his deal

convoluted mess. considering the fact that mact cant sign big names and is getting lowballed in trade proposals as no one is gonna help us get better, macts job right now is a motherfuker
- Ihateallofu

100% Bubba....Im not saying we dont re-sign Petry...but Mac has to put a max term and salary in place and cant just give him what he wants...especially if its over 5.5X5....personally, I would understand if Mac T set the limit at 5m X 4 and if that isnt enough than you move him at the deadline for the best offer available.

Those were both done late. Mact isn't going to wait around for a last minute deal. He can't. Which is why we got Nikitin and Fayne because the price for those others was way too high at that time. The price came down drastically when the Bruins and hawks were down to the wire needing to make the cap.

As for The Petry at 5+? That's ridiculous.

He's a second pair guy. If he makes more than Brodie then its a terrible signing. Petry is not worth over 5 not by a long shot.
- Iggysbff

yes.

Those were both done late. Mact isn't going to wait around for a last minute deal. He can't. Which is why we got Nikitin and Fayne because the price for those others was way too high at that time. The price came down drastically when the Bruins and hawks were down to the wire needing to make the cap.

As for The Petry at 5+? That's ridiculous.

He's a second pair guy. If he makes more than Brodie then its a terrible signing. Petry is not worth over 5 not by a long shot.
- Iggysbff

So why havent you been in the Leafs thread? There's a couple good comedy acts in there today.....and good God are they praying to win this lottery.

So why havent you been in the Leafs thread? There's a couple good comedy acts in there today.....and good God are they praying to win this lottery.
- Jeropotato

Too busy at work

Those were both done late. Mact isn't going to wait around for a last minute deal. He can't. Which is why we got Nikitin and Fayne because the price for those others was way too high at that time. The price came down drastically when the Bruins and hawks were down to the wire needing to make the cap.

As for The Petry at 5+? That's ridiculous.

He's a second pair guy. If he makes more than Brodie then its a terrible signing. Petry is not worth over 5 not by a long shot.
- Iggysbff

I think MacT could find a partner with a strapped team and make something happen at the draft. Teams want to shed salary before free agency and they also would like to use their picks asap.

100% Bubba....Im not saying we dont re-sign Petry...but Mac has to put a max term and salary in place and cant just give him what he wants...especially if its over 5.5X5....personally, I would understand if Mac T set the limit at 5m X 4 and if that isnt enough than you move him at the deadline for the best offer available.
- Jeropotato

People act like Petry has been hard done by?

He's got the 90th highest cap hit in the league for defensemen. So basically being paid as a number 3 guy. Which he is. All this 5.75 stuff makes me want to puke.

He's not worth that. That's more than most legit top pair guys!

Too busy at work
- Iggysbff

Stupid work... I missed out on a lot of potential fun in Tanners thread today.

Too busy at work
- Iggysbff

Someone in there said that they get McDavid they will win the cup in 3 years....Thoughts?


All I said was that will still need a defense and of course I got ripped for being an Oilers fan and we have a poopty Defense so I guess that means they have a SC calibre D? its confusing over there.

Stupid work... I missed out on a lot of potential fun in Tanners thread today.
- Dangles13

lame actually.

People act like Petry has been hard done by?

He's got the 90th highest cap hit in the league for defensemen. So basically being paid as a number 3 guy. Which he is. All this 5.75 stuff makes me want to puke.

He's not worth that. That's more than most legit top pair guys!
- Iggysbff

I can ahndle a short term overpay.....but (frank) I hate the idea of being cap strapped with Long term deals down the road.

lame actually.
- Jeropotato

That's why I said potential. Tanner acts all high and mighty and pretends he doesn't get flustered.

People act like Petry has been hard done by?

He's got the 90th highest cap hit in the league for defensemen. So basically being paid as a number 3 guy. Which he is. All this 5.75 stuff makes me want to puke.

He's not worth that. That's more than most legit top pair guys!
- Iggysbff

edmonton's hands are tied. Forced into negotiating over UFA years. When you do nothing but lose for close to a decade no one wants to sign there, #1 team on NTC lists. Ideally not 5.75, but if it has to go over 5 then what option do they have. promote nurse? play schultz in tough minutes?

That's why I said potential. Tanner acts all high and mighty and pretends he doesn't get flustered.
- Dangles13

He lost his poop on me yeaterday, calmed down and acted like he wasnt bothered at all. Riiiiight.

People act like Petry has been hard done by?

He's got the 90th highest cap hit in the league for defensemen. So basically being paid as a number 3 guy. Which he is. All this 5.75 stuff makes me want to puke.

He's not worth that. That's more than most legit top pair guys!
- Iggysbff

not ones that are legit top pair and reach their ufa status. those guys get paid.

brodies deal is completely different. as is any dman that signed for multiple years through the rfa years. the two should not be compared.

if we think 5 is too much, hes gone. and we're worse next year.

He lost his poop on me yeaterday, calmed down and acted like he wasnt bothered at all. Riiiiight.
- Jeropotato

He gets called a moron 11 times a day on the internet but nobody, and he means nobody, thinks he is stupid in real life. Sounds a lot like JB to me.

edmonton's hands are tied. Forced into negotiating over UFA years. When you do nothing but lose for close to a decade no one wants to sign there, #1 team on NTC lists. Ideally not 5.75, but if it has to go over 5 then what option do they have. promote nurse? play schultz in tough minutes?
- oilerfan94

so this


and when we're worse, and we're not making any progress and still bottom feeders those kids will be looking for the door. and I wouldn't blame them.
failed rebuild. start over.

well, weve got one of the worst defences in the league with one true top 4 guy, and one that looks like he might be the real deal.
why build on that?
lets get rid of him.

petrys gonna get every cent of 5 mil on the open market. from a better team, with a better defence. and we wont pay it cause the facts of todays game aren't fair?

even if we could assume that we can sign someone comparable would ease my concerns abit.
but this is Edmonton. The vancouver sun recently released that article where they spoke with a bunch of nhl agents and they listed Edm as the unequivocal least desirable destination.

we had to overpay for nikitin and fayne last year. and that was probably the biggest offseason acquisition wise edms had in 4-5 years.

so this


and when we're worse, and we're not making any progress and still bottom feeders those kids will be looking for the door. and I wouldn't blame them.
failed rebuild. start over.

well, weve got one of the worst defences in the league with one true top 4 guy, and one that looks like he might be the real deal.
why build on that?
lets get rid of him.

petrys gonna get every cent of 5 mil on the open market. from a better team, with a better defence. and we wont pay it cause the facts of todays game aren't fair?
- Ihateallofu

Petry will almost certainly ask for more money to stay in Edmonton, maybe he has some loyalty to the club but at which point does he start to think of himself? Every player wants to win and he can sign wherever he pleases.

If Edmonton gave Petry 6 million over 4-5 years what happens when Klefbom, Yakupov, Schultz and whomever else start needing money?

Petry will almost certainly ask for more money to stay in Edmonton, maybe he has some loyalty to the club but at which point does he start to think of himself? Every player wants to win and he can sign wherever he pleases.

If Edmonton gave Petry 6 million over 4-5 years what happens when Klefbom, Yakupov, Schultz and whomever else start needing money?
- Dangles13

Then we find ourselves in cap Hell while were on the verge of being good?

Petry will almost certainly ask for more money to stay in Edmonton, maybe he has some loyalty to the club but at which point does he start to think of himself? Every player wants to win and he can sign wherever he pleases.

If Edmonton gave Petry 6 million over 4-5 years what happens when Klefbom, Yakupov, Schultz and whomever else start needing money?
- Dangles13

I'm not saying it's an easy solution by any means. I mentioned just that in a previous post.

But you'll be having those same guys wanting out when they get the chance if we continue to lose. And losing our only true top 4 guy (klefbom maybe too) is gonna contribute to that.

Those contracts are at least a couple years away, so ii pay that money now when it's worth every penny to not make a league worst defence even worse, and reevaluate if and when we get to the next level and need to resign those kids.