I'm not saying it's an easy solution by any means. I mentioned just that in a previous post.

But you'll be having those same guys wanting out when they get the chance if we continue to lose. And losing our only true top 4 guy (klefbom maybe too) is gonna contribute to that.

Those contracts are at least a couple years away, so ii pay that money now when it's worth every penny to not make a league worst defence even worse, and reevaluate if and when we get to the next level and need to resign those kids.
- Ihateallofu

Damned if you do and damned if you don't eh? If Petry would take 6 million over 2 seasons that would be fantastic for Edmonton but I don't see that happening.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't eh? If Petry would take 6 million over 2 seasons that would be fantastic for Edmonton but I don't see that happening.
- Dangles13

id pay 5.5 over 4-5 years even.

imo, hed at worse be our 2nd best dman next year and probably the year after assuming we're unable to sign a stud (fair assumption)

but even if klefbom and nurse develop quickly and petry is our 3rd best and we're clearly overpaying for a #3; by the 3rd year of his contract hes only got a couple years left. and considering hes not so old (27!!)that those are declining years, that contract isn't unmovable at that point. and even buyout isn't a crippling term.

not to say I don't see the potential negatives involved with big money over 4-5 years, but we're getting lowballed in trade proposals and cant sign big names.
damned if ya do....


id also like to add that 5.5 isn't way above what petry will get on the open market.
so as I said; if a better team with a better defence will do it, I don't think its ludicrous that the leagues worst defence (bottom 5 anyway) would also do it

id pay 5.5 over 4-5 years even.

imo, hed at worse be our 2nd best dman next year and probably the year after assuming we're unable to sign a stud (fair assumption)

but even if klefbom and nurse develop quickly and petry is our 3rd best and we're clearly overpaying for a #3; by the 3rd year of his contract hes only got a couple years left. and considering hes not so old that those are declining years, that contract isn't unmovable at that point. and even buyout isn't a crippling term.

not to say I don't see the potential negatives involved with big money over 4-5 years, but we're getting lowballed in trade proposals and cant sign big names.
damned if ya do....


id also like to add that 5.5 isn't way above what petry will get on the open market.
so as I said; if a better team with a better defence will do it, I don't think its ludicrous that the leagues worst defence (bottom 5 anyway) would also do it
- Ihateallofu

With the premium on defenders it shouldn't be hard to trade Petry down the road but I still think MacT would have had to offer both 5 and 5.5 to Petry. I would bet the sticking point is term.

With the premium on defenders it shouldn't be hard to trade Petry down the road but I still think MacT would have had to offer both 5 and 5.5 to Petry. I would bet the sticking point is term.
- Dangles13

I can agree with this.

or he doesn't wanna resign and is being completely unreasonable.
then we move him for a pick

I can agree with this.

or he doesn't wanna resign and is being completely unreasonable.
then we move him for a pick
- Ihateallofu

I like the idea of trading him for a younger defenseman over a pick but we'll see how she all shakes out in the next two weeks.

I like the idea of trading him for a younger defenseman over a pick but we'll see how she all shakes out in the next two weeks.
- Dangles13

oh totally


resign petry













young quality prospect




1st










2nd

(frank) 8 he just doesn't want to sign he can suck it....

(frank) 8 he just doesn't want to sign he can suck it....
- HAs_Revenge

at the end of the day, probably this


but for us fans who want progress its no good

at the end of the day, probably this


but for us fans who want progress its no good
- Ihateallofu

Ya I know. I prefer to keep him. But i dont really want any player that doesn't want to be here.

Ya I know. I prefer to keep him. But i dont really want any player that doesn't want to be here.
- HAs_Revenge

agreed.

if he doesn't wanna be here, he'll just either ask for something ludicrous or flat out say im out

driving up to EDM tomorrow to catch my last live glimpse of Petry in oiler silks

I hope a 7 year 45M deal for 31YO Boychuk isn't in the cards

not ones that are legit top pair and reach their ufa status. those guys get paid.

brodies deal is completely different. as is any dman that signed for multiple years through the rfa years. the two should not be compared.

if we think 5 is too much, hes gone. and we're worse next year.
- Ihateallofu

We are cap strapped. We need to resign guys and without moving Nikitin out we are fcked. The cap isn't going up for ever. I doubt it goes up at all this year.

And if Petry is worth 5+ to other teams then they would be knocking our doors down right now to get him. They aren't. We are barely getting any offers. He is not valued as highly by other teams as some on here seem to think.

And I don't give a poop about UFA vs RFA. If they deserve the money then pay them. If they don't (frank) em. Petry is not worth over 5 mill. We'd regret that long term.

4.5 for 4 years. Anything else is over pay and he can (frank) off.

driving up to EDM tomorrow to catch my last live glimpse of Petry in oiler silks

I hope a 7 year 45M deal for 31YO Boychuk isn't in the cards
- TheNugeIsHuge

Have a good time, and I hope the same. before you go, whats the max contract you woulds sign Petry to?

We are cap strapped. We need to resign guys and without moving Nikitin out we are fcked. The cap isn't going up for ever. I doubt it goes up at all this year.

And if Petry is worth 5+ to other teams then they would be knocking our doors down right now to get him. They aren't. We are barely getting any offers. He is not valued as highly by other teams as some on here seem to think.

And I don't give a poop about UFA vs RFA. If they deserve the money then pay them. If they don't (frank) em. Petry is not worth over 5 mill. We'd regret that long term.

4.5 for 4 years. Anything else is over pay and he can (frank) off.
- Iggysbff

I like the new gentle Iggy.

We are cap strapped. We need to resign guys and without moving Nikitin out we are fcked. The cap isn't going up for ever. I doubt it goes up at all this year.

And if Petry is worth 5+ to other teams then they would be knocking our doors down right now to get him. They aren't. We are barely getting any offers. He is not valued as highly by other teams as some on here seem to think.

And I don't give a poop about UFA vs RFA. If they deserve the money then pay them. If they don't (frank) em. Petry is not worth over 5 mill. We'd regret that long term.

4.5 for 4 years. Anything else is over pay and he can (frank) off.
- Iggysbff

Methot signing should help set price close to 5. I hope you're this passionate against overpaying when Schultz signs his longterm deal

Have a good time, and I hope the same. before you go, whats the max contract you woulds sign Petry to?
- Jeropotato

Petry's my favourite oiler. He was my avi for most of my time here. Probably pretty biased, but with EDM's D situation, popularity in free agency, and their recent history with dealing for defence men, I'd go high.

5.5 max probably, short term 2-3 years. Ideally 5 years ~5M

Methot signing should help set price close to 5. I hope you're this passionate against overpaying when Schultz signs his longterm deal
- TheNugeIsHuge

Depends on his performance....I personally see greater upside or at least value to his skill set....but right noe he isnt even worth 4 million.

and I am okay with close to 5 .

Petry's my favourite oiler. He was my avi for most of my time here. Probably pretty biased, but with EDM's D situation, popularity in free agency, and their recent history with dealing for defence men, I'd go high.

5.5 max probably, short term 2-3 years. Ideally 5 years ~5M
- TheNugeIsHuge

Were on the same page then....if that is indeed Petrys ask Mac T should probably do it.

We are cap strapped. We need to resign guys and without moving Nikitin out we are fcked. The cap isn't going up for ever. I doubt it goes up at all this year.

And if Petry is worth 5+ to other teams then they would be knocking our doors down right now to get him. They aren't. We are barely getting any offers. He is not valued as highly by other teams as some on here seem to think.

And I don't give a poop about UFA vs RFA. If they deserve the money then pay them. If they don't (frank) em. Petry is not worth over 5 mill. We'd regret that long term.

4.5 for 4 years. Anything else is over pay and he can (frank) off.
- Iggysbff

what other teams think hes worth dollars wise isn't conducive to this debate.
what theyre prepared to offer has nothing to do with the dollar value.
they might not want to pay a huge package for a guy they can get for no assets in a few months. apples and oranges imo.

you should give a sh1t about ufa vs rfa. its absolutely relevant to negotiating power.
guys get more when they hold all the cards. u mentioned that true top pairing guys don't get that kind of money. but if theyre Ufa, they do.
again and again and again.

I think actually making a league worst defence even worse when we're trying to make progress for the kids we have, is what we'll really regret.
the next two years considering thw position he'll have in the organization is absolutely worth it. the last couple, hes movable (hes only 27) IF the nurses and klefboms take his spot. big if.

either way, we can agree to disagree, but if 4.5 is macts ceiling, id assume hes gone. and we're a worse team.

Petry's my favourite oiler. He was my avi for most of my time here. Probably pretty biased, but with EDM's D situation, popularity in free agency, and their recent history with dealing for defence men, I'd go high.

5.5 max probably, short term 2-3 years. Ideally 5 years ~5M
- TheNugeIsHuge

id do either of those deal happily

Depends on his performance....I personally see greater upside or at least value to his skill set....but right noe he isnt even worth 4 million.

and I am okay with close to 5 .
- Jeropotato

I'd be fine with 1-2 more years on the deal he is now. Idk if his ability to generate some offence makes up for his defensive incompetence. He'll need to be playing those soft offensive Yandle minutes, we saw how he got lit up last night when he wasn't so sheltered.

Petry's a 55% CF away from Ference, buyout one of him or Nikitin to soften a high contract for Petry

Methot signing should help set price close to 5. I hope you're this passionate against overpaying when Schultz signs his longterm deal
- TheNugeIsHuge

just shy of 5mil for 4 years?

id say we have less negotiating power than ott does for a few reasons. and I think petry has more puck moving ability than methot and therefore is more important to us.

but if we could get that same deal, I sign yesterday

what other teams think hes worth dollars wise isn't conducive to this debate.
what theyre prepared to offer has nothing to do with the dollar value.
they might not want to pay a huge package for a guy they can get for no assets in a few months. apples and oranges imo.

you should give a sh1t about ufa vs rfa. its absolutely relevant to negotiating power.
guys get more when they hold all the cards. u mentioned that true top pairing guys don't get that kind of money. but if theyre Ufa, they do.
again and again and again.

I think actually making a league worst defence even worse when we're trying to make progress for the kids we have, is what we'll really regret.
the next two years considering thw position he'll have in the organization is absolutely worth it. the last couple, hes movable (hes only 27) IF the nurses and klefboms take his spot. big if.

either way, we can agree to disagree, but if 4.5 is macts ceiling, id assume hes gone. and we're a worse team.
- Ihateallofu

ask Phaneuf, Girardi, McDonald, Orpik, Niskanen
(perceived top pair)

I'd be fine with 1-2 more years on the deal he is now. Idk if his ability to generate some offence makes up for his defensive incompetence. He'll need to be playing those soft offensive Yandle minutes, we saw how he got lit up last night when he wasn't so sheltered.

Petry's a 55% CF away from Ference, buyout one of him or Nikitin to soften a high contract for Petry
- TheNugeIsHuge

how does it work for Schultz?

how many more rfas? 26 years old or a certain number of contracts till hes ufa?

just shy of 5mil for 4 years?

id say we have less negotiating power than ott does for a few reasons. and I think petry has more puck moving ability than methot and therefore is more important to us.

but if we could get that same deal, I sign yesterday
- Ihateallofu

Methot's been in playoff series' with OTT. Petry's been on a 30th, 29th, 24th, 28th, and soon to be 28th/29th place team in EDM. Don't remember where I read, but I think Petry likes Nelson a lot more than he does Eakins. Hope that has some influence