O'Reilly 7 years at $7 mil. Girgensons is a natural winger per Ted Nolan who would know. If we win the lottery McDavid can be the 2nd line center with Moulson and Foligno or Kaleta whom ever you think will protect him better. Grigorenko can be 3rd line. Reinhart in the minors at least the first half and then can come up to play RW with McDavid. If we get Eichel, keep him in college one more year to win the Frozen Four and may be gold in the WJC. The team will grow without him but more importantly he will grow into the superstar we need by excelling. O'Reilly will evolve into our 3rd line center as our depth developments into NHL talent. In 3 years we will be a powerhouse and by then we should have a starting goaltender we can rely on and Obiwans failure will be complete.
- Mathwil3

Well that may all be well and good. The Sabers indeed are interested, whether you agree with them or not.

However many teams would be interested in RoR when he becomes available so there is a very good chance he wont even be a saber. Wouldnt worry too much about it if you are against it.

I may be in the minority, but with an 80 percent chance at getting Eichel, I think it would be really neat having Toronto get McDavid. McDavid Vs. Eichel rivalry with such close proximity would be really neat. Plus, McDavid deserves to go to a destination that appreciates hockey (ie Toronto) not a place like Phoenix or Carolina FFS.

EDIT-- Obviously I'd prefer McDavid. But Eichel is more likely.
- thisisderrik

I wouldnt say so much that they "appreciate hockey" but that they are overly critical and unfair to the teams players lmao.

You don't want to lose Grigorenko okay but remember it is the quantity that creates value for the package:

Hodgson(yes he has value 20 goals last year, 34points in 48 games in lockout)
Pysyk
Larsson
1st
2nd Islanders

for

O'Reilly
- Mathwil3

You know Coho is so bad that he is going to be possibly bought out right????

Well that may all be well and good. The Sabers indeed are interested, whether you agree with them or not.

However many teams would be interested in RoR when he becomes available so there is a very good chance he wont even be a saber. Wouldnt worry too much about it if you are against it.
- Meeqsb

I'm quite sure he won't become a "Saber". That is a safe bet.

You know Coho is so bad that he is going to be possibly bought out right????
- Meeqsb

The only rationale behind the "possible buyout" scenario is because of CoHo's age and, due to his age, the buyout would only require 1/3 of his existing salary over twice the number of years. While that is true, it is also true that the situation will still be the same after next season. Therefore, there is very little reason for them to jump the gun on that decision a year sooner than necessary and with a very young player who scored 20 goals the year prior. He is not being bought out this year... if he repeats next year what this year looks like then I think you're spot on, but not this year and highly unlikely CoHo plays this badly again next year. The guy plays better with better teammates... he made a sick behind the back pass to Matt Ellis the other night, just to watch Ellis go in alone and shovel the puck into Schneider's pads. I'm not saying it's okay, but frustration starts to get the better of you when you make plays on the occasions that you do try to hustle to make something happen, only to be reminded that you have no other offensive talent alongside you to help out... combine that with his young age and this season still sucks, but it becomes a little bit easier to comprehend.

I'm betting it's going to be either:

Grigorenko, 1st (NYI's), Zadorov FOR Orielly
or
Grigorenko, 1st (NYI's), Jake McCabe FOR Orielly
- BurnabyJoe86

ha...ahahhaha

I wouldnt say so much that they "appreciate hockey" but that they are overly critical and unfair to the teams players lmao.
- Meeqsb

no one wants your poopty player, (frank)ing keep him.

Well that may all be well and good. The Sabers indeed are interested, whether you agree with them or not.

However many teams would be interested in RoR when he becomes available so there is a very good chance he wont even be a saber. Wouldnt worry too much about it if you are against it.
- Meeqsb

It's "Sabres or Sabre"

Silly Avelanche Fan!! lol (mis-spell intended)

GARTH'S CORNER: McDavid: "Its Hard To Be A Leaf Fan"
- garth

he usually gets what he wants? what is this based on really? all is well in pegulaville and hockey heaven

I may be in the minority, but with an 80 percent chance at getting Eichel, I think it would be really neat having Toronto get McDavid. McDavid Vs. Eichel rivalry with such close proximity would be really neat. Plus, McDavid deserves to go to a destination that appreciates hockey (ie Toronto) not a place like Phoenix or Carolina FFS.

EDIT-- Obviously I'd prefer McDavid. But Eichel is more likely.
- thisisderrik

Agree 1000%!!

The only rationale behind the "possible buyout" scenario is because of CoHo's age and, due to his age, the buyout would only require 1/3 of his existing salary over twice the number of years. While that is true, it is also true that the situation will still be the same after next season. Therefore, there is very little reason for them to jump the gun on that decision a year sooner than necessary and with a very young player who scored 20 goals the year prior. He is not being bought out this year... if he repeats next year what this year looks like then I think you're spot on, but not this year and highly unlikely CoHo plays this badly again next year. The guy plays better with better teammates... he made a sick behind the back pass to Matt Ellis the other night, just to watch Ellis go in alone and shovel the puck into Schneider's pads. I'm not saying it's okay, but frustration starts to get the better of you when you make plays on the occasions that you do try to hustle to make something happen, only to be reminded that you have no other offensive talent alongside you to help out... combine that with his young age and this season still sucks, but it becomes a little bit easier to comprehend.
- djc1877

Coho salary dump would have to be part of any ROR Deal.
Coho, Grig, 1st for ROR Seems like an overpayment but really its getting rid of a bad contract with 'better than average potential', a 1st round prospect with 'high level potential' and a late first who might be good but probably not better than average.

This may be a dumb question but why does everyone seem to think O'Reilly is some kind of franchise altering player? I know stats don't tell the whole story but based on just those, he's good...not great and certainly not 'elite.' We're talking about a 20-25 goal, 50-60pt guy which, again is good, not great or 'elite.' On Colorado the guy is an very good third line center and likely would be an very good third line center here. The kind of guy who isn't quite 2nd line and a little too good for the 3rd line. Certainly, that's a great problem to have but at what cost? I feel like we already have that exact same guy but younger in Girgensons and we don't have to squander our defensive depth to do it. Additionally, we have/will have probably the most young/prospect depth at center in the NHL with McEichel, Reinhart, Grego and Girgensons already. While I think Girgensons ceiling is at best a 2nd line selky center and at worst a 10-15 goal 30-40pt shut down 3rd line guy, the other three could all be 1st-2nd line guys. Why do we need to add another young guy to that mix? If anything we should pick up a vet center to help show these guys the way for the next 1-2 yrs ala vermette until their ready to take the reins.

BEYOND ALL OF THAT, I just am not ready to trade all of our NHL bound prospects for something, I believe we already have almost too much of right now. I'm leary of trading Gregorenko because I am still infatuated with his untapped potential. After flubbing his development early, I really like the way he's matured and the work he's putting in and think that's going to pay off. Early in the draft process he was part of the Yak, Gal, Grego talk for 1st overall and then got hurt a lot by getting mono. But many of you seem to think it would take Grego, PLUS a 1st and Zadorov/Psysk, which to me is WAY WAY to much to give up for a guy I think we already have and will be on our 3rd line in 2 years. Zadorov or Risto are non-starters for me and I really like Psysk and I am excited to see what he brings to the table full time. He's the smooth no nonsense puck mover we were full of (to a fault) but now need to balance out our bruisers a bit. I suppose I'd be more comfortable with trading some defensive depth that's further from NHL ready ala McCabe/Ruewedle (sp) but that's not what the Avs need at all.

So, you all tell me...what is it about O'Reilly that it makes sense for us to pay him 'elite' money and give up on multiple almost NHL ready prospects and a 1st? What am I missing?

You don't want to lose Grigorenko okay but remember it is the quantity that creates value for the package:

Hodgson(yes he has value 20 goals last year, 34points in 48 games in lockout)
Pysyk
Larsson
1st
2nd Islanders

for

O'Reilly
- Mathwil3

Hodgson? You don't get to include buyout candidates and get value in return. He's worth nothing with the contract and how he's played.

Well that may all be well and good. The Sabers indeed are interested, whether you agree with them or not.

However many teams would be interested in RoR when he becomes available so there is a very good chance he wont even be a saber. Wouldnt worry too much about it if you are against it.
- Meeqsb

For what it would take to get an unsigned ROR. I would pass.

Hodgson? You don't get to include buyout candidates and get value in return. He's worth nothing with the contract and how he's played.
- Isles_since_6

^^^^This^^^^

Did we not learn anything in the Kane/Bogo deal class???
You will need to give up decent players and prospects to get in-return decent players and prospects.**

**The Exception being the Boston Bruins, they just give up good players for crap.

For what it would take to get an unsigned ROR. I would pass.
- ImThatGuy

Totally agree here, if we can get McDavid or Eichlel then we don't even need ROR and we sure don't need to give up that 1st rounder for him. I'll give a 2nd and grigoROYko.

I'm betting it's going to be either:

Grigorenko, 1st (NYI's), Zadorov FOR Orielly
or
Grigorenko, 1st (NYI's), Jake McCabe FOR Orielly
- BurnabyJoe86

Why would anyone want Bustorenko???

Hockey teams (players) are like recipes. An egg (player) by itself is ok. However, mixed with the right ingredients (other players), you have something much greater. Having the wrong ingredients, the recipe fails. O'Reilly would be a great ingredient to have on any team. Question is "Do the Sabres have or will they have the right ingredients to make O'Reilly strive on the team?"

Colorado wants a defenseman. I don't believe the Sabres will trade Bogo. However, I could see GMTM trading Gorges or Pysyk if the deal is right. I wonder if a 2015 mid range 1st, 2015 2nd, either Gorges or Pysyk, and Grigorenko would land O'Reilly. I don't see a trade for O'Reilly until the off season. But seeing how bold GMTM is, one never knows.

I have faith in Tim Murray to make the right decisions.

Hockey teams (players) are like recipes. An egg (player) by itself is ok. However, mixed with the right ingredients (other players), you have something much greater. Having the wrong ingredients, the recipe fails. O'Reilly would be a great ingredient to have on any team. Question is "Do the Sabres have or will they have the right ingredients to make O'Reilly strive on the team?"

Colorado wants a defenseman. I don't believe the Sabres will trade Bogo. However, I could see GMTM trading Gorges or Pysyk if the deal is right. I wonder if a 2015 mid range 1st, 2015 2nd, either Gorges or Pysyk, and Grigorenko would land O'Reilly. I don't see a trade for O'Reilly until the off season. But seeing how bold GMTM is, one never knows.

I have faith in Tim Murray to make the right decisions.
- BFLOSABRES09

I like your points, Dreger reported the Avs aren't too keen on moving him this season. My problem with a deal for him is that he is a UFA after next season, I think a conversation with his agent would be needed before making a decision. Also, I honestly think Girgensons is the same player, so I really don't see the need for O'Reilly.

I may be in the minority, but with an 80 percent chance at getting Eichel, I think it would be really neat having Toronto get McDavid. McDavid Vs. Eichel rivalry with such close proximity would be really neat. Plus, McDavid deserves to go to a destination that appreciates hockey (ie Toronto) not a place like Phoenix or Carolina FFS.

EDIT-- Obviously I'd prefer McDavid. But Eichel is more likely.
- thisisderrik

I've thought about this as well. I think it would be cool to see them both play each other so often. As long as Eichel ends up being better that is...

The only rationale behind the "possible buyout" scenario is because of CoHo's age and, due to his age, the buyout would only require 1/3 of his existing salary over twice the number of years. While that is true, it is also true that the situation will still be the same after next season. Therefore, there is very little reason for them to jump the gun on that decision a year sooner than necessary and with a very young player who scored 20 goals the year prior. He is not being bought out this year... if he repeats next year what this year looks like then I think you're spot on, but not this year and highly unlikely CoHo plays this badly again next year. The guy plays better with better teammates... he made a sick behind the back pass to Matt Ellis the other night, just to watch Ellis go in alone and shovel the puck into Schneider's pads. I'm not saying it's okay, but frustration starts to get the better of you when you make plays on the occasions that you do try to hustle to make something happen, only to be reminded that you have no other offensive talent alongside you to help out... combine that with his young age and this season still sucks, but it becomes a little bit easier to comprehend.
- djc1877

this is not correct as i understand it. coho is 25 years old as of wednesday. which means that he will be 26 years old next feb 18th. you cannot buy someone out until the regular season ends, so he will be 26 at the end of next season and therefore subject to the 2/3 rules. basically its $800,000 against the cap for 8 years if we buy him out this summer, or $1,670,000 for 6 years if we wait til next summer. if you wanna say that we should risk the additional cap hit and see if he can play his way out of this, i would understand. i would however disagree. he does not fit the rebuild.

This may be a dumb question but why does everyone seem to think O'Reilly is some kind of franchise altering player? I know stats don't tell the whole story but based on just those, he's good...not great and certainly not 'elite.' We're talking about a 20-25 goal, 50-60pt guy which, again is good, not great or 'elite.' On Colorado the guy is an very good third line center and likely would be an very good third line center here. The kind of guy who isn't quite 2nd line and a little too good for the 3rd line. Certainly, that's a great problem to have but at what cost? I feel like we already have that exact same guy but younger in Girgensons and we don't have to squander our defensive depth to do it. Additionally, we have/will have probably the most young/prospect depth at center in the NHL with McEichel, Reinhart, Grego and Girgensons already. While I think Girgensons ceiling is at best a 2nd line selky center and at worst a 10-15 goal 30-40pt shut down 3rd line guy, the other three could all be 1st-2nd line guys. Why do we need to add another young guy to that mix? If anything we should pick up a vet center to help show these guys the way for the next 1-2 yrs ala vermette until their ready to take the reins.

BEYOND ALL OF THAT, I just am not ready to trade all of our NHL bound prospects for something, I believe we already have almost too much of right now. I'm leary of trading Gregorenko because I am still infatuated with his untapped potential. After flubbing his development early, I really like the way he's matured and the work he's putting in and think that's going to pay off. Early in the draft process he was part of the Yak, Gal, Grego talk for 1st overall and then got hurt a lot by getting mono. But many of you seem to think it would take Grego, PLUS a 1st and Zadorov/Psysk, which to me is WAY WAY to much to give up for a guy I think we already have and will be on our 3rd line in 2 years. Zadorov or Risto are non-starters for me and I really like Psysk and I am excited to see what he brings to the table full time. He's the smooth no nonsense puck mover we were full of (to a fault) but now need to balance out our bruisers a bit. I suppose I'd be more comfortable with trading some defensive depth that's further from NHL ready ala McCabe/Ruewedle (sp) but that's not what the Avs need at all.

So, you all tell me...what is it about O'Reilly that it makes sense for us to pay him 'elite' money and give up on multiple almost NHL ready prospects and a 1st? What am I missing?
- cornball

O'Reilly hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

Watch him for 10 gamesand you'll understand why 29 other teams would drool and over pay for this guy. Is he an honest 7+ mil player? No. Is he a complete 200 foot player? Absolutely.

I'd say a fair value is around +- 6 Mil to the Avs. To the other 29 teams, a 24 year old 200ft player who could compete on any team?? They will pay more, just because he isn't their commodity. That's how FA works for valuable players. Highest bidder wins, and that generally means over-payment.

You would understand that the Avs biggest need is an "immediate defensive solution". So you would be talking one of Bogo, Zads or Risto. Psysk or McCabe wont be enough to cut it. One of them and the lower 1st would be the center part of the deal with prospect thrown in. The deal would most likely happen at the draft. Also I think the grigs connection is overrated. Sure he played for Roy, however all that means is that Roy will know alot about the player but not necessarily that he will have a desire to bring him to the Avs.

Just wanna put that out there so Sabers fans can understand what the possible cost would be.

(this info being extrapolated from reports from Dreger, BoB and Lebrun)
- Meeqsb

Spot on. I agree 100%

Why would anyone want Bustorenko???
- imsorry66

Right.

Why would anyone want a 20 year old prospect who's having a great year in the AHL? I mean, sainte bleu blanc et rouge, Batman, he's obviously washed up at this point.

I'm ok with Pysyk, Grigs & our middle 1st for ROR. Anything including Zad's, Risto, or Bogo and I'd pass if I were TM. I'd throw in Larson too if we could send over our 2nd rounder instead of the mid level 1st.