If that's the case, MJ needs fired, and they need to bring in a coach that won't let his stars dictate his decisions.
- cap1681

+1

If that's the case, MJ needs fired, and they need to bring in a coach that won't let his stars dictate his decisions.
- cap1681

Give us Babcock. Hell I'd be fine with Tortz honestly. Someone with some balls.

Give us Babcock. Hell I'd be fine with Tortz honestly.
- znagle

Do you mean Trotz or Torts?

Spot on. I'd make one small change..

Mario was the most talented player ever. Gretzky was the best player ever.

99's numbers are too much to even argue this.

But, I saw Mario do things that no player I've ever seen before or after him could do. Closest I've seen was Ovie in his first few seasons. That breakaway he had in Phoenix was Mario-esque.
- 87_71_11_29

There's no doubt Gretzky had the greatest career, by far. It's not even close. And Mario was the greatest talent ever but the greatest player was #4 Bobby Orr. No player could control a game the way he did. Orr was +124 in a season!!!! He won scoring titles as a Dman....I wonder what his corsi and fenwich would've looked like...and this is coming from a HUGE Mario fan

IF this is true, someone needs to tell Crosby he may be the captain, but he isnt the coach. And then Mario should come over and female dog smack him and remind him whos really in charge.

One thing I have always hated and will always hate is a player undermining a coach. I dont care how big a star they are.
- thickman1178

If I'm MJ and this is indeed happening, i make Crosby sit a game and make it well known that he is a healthy scratch.

Absolutely... it's all era based. Gretzky was just ahead of his time.

The nutrition/training thing is huge. Gretzky was so slender and just weak looking. Imagine him with Crosby's build?
- rival22

I've heard 66's training was to stop eating french fries 1 month before the season starts.

Have you ever seen the SNL skit where Gretzky is water skiing? More like the frame of tech support than NHL star.

To be fair 71 doesn't look like a workout beast either.

If I'm MJ and this is indeed happening, i make Crosby sit a game and make it well known that he is a healthy scratch.
- cap1681

He can't. It's a Country Club organization ... he will do whatever Sid wants ... or Mario. Heck, do you think Tocchet was MJ's choice for an assistant? I seriously doubt it.

IF this is true, someone needs to tell Crosby he may be the captain, but he isnt the coach. And then Mario should come over and female dog smack him and remind him whos really in charge.

One thing I have always hated and will always hate is a player undermining a coach. I dont care how big a star they are.
- thickman1178

But Lemieux did the same thing to Scotty Bowman. Yeah though, 87 can't make decisions like that and MJ needs to own the team. Patrick Roy wouldn't let that fly.

I've heard 66's training was to stop eating french fries 1 month before the season starts.

Have you ever seen the SNL skit where Gretzky is water skiing? More like the frame of tech support than NHL star.

To be fair 71 doesn't look like a workout beast either.
- sammy87

Malkin would be untouchable if he spent the summer training with Letang. His offseason stuff is supposed to be impressive.

87 is demanding 14 be on his line which is causing 39 to play his off wing, and PH and 71 aren't working well together.

MM just said on the western road trip, the lines were posted with 14 and 71 together and there was a meeting with 87 and MJ and that was that.
- sammy87

Only way I'm ok with this is if Johnston is working a plan. Sort of like, "ok, we'll give your way a chance. If it doesn't work, we do it my way."

Hopefully Johnston has the stones to do that.

Malkin would be untouchable if he spent the summer training with Letang. His offseason stuff is supposed to be impressive.
- cap1681

Did someone say offseason????

Malkin would be untouchable if he spent the summer training with Letang. His offseason stuff is supposed to be impressive.
- cap1681

Yeah Ive heard 58 is a beast and takes his workouts extremely seriously, and that nobody works as hard as him.

MM was talking about Iggy and how much of a joke it was. 500 goals on 1 side, come to pitt and you gotta change. Also saying 14 is not a top6 anymore.

There's no doubt Gretzky had the greatest career, by far. It's not even close. And Mario was the greatest talent ever but the greatest player was #4 Bobby Orr. No player could control a game the way he did. Orr was +124 in a season!!!! He won scoring titles as a Dman....I wonder what his corsi and fenwich would've looked like...and this is coming from a HUGE Mario fan
- willi

I've never seen Orr play much aside from a few games and highlights, but he definitely revolutionized the entire game. Before him, defensemen were very North-South, and never circled back. He changed the entire way defensemen play and made the game look very simple and easy. He had an extremely smooth stride, and he never seemed to even be trying.

MM was talking about Iggy and how much of a joke it was. 500 goals on 1 side, come to pitt and you gotta change. Also saying 14 is not a top6 anymore.
- sammy87

Based solely on point totals (albeit projected for the rest of this year), he is as much a top 6 forward as he has ever been. Take that how you want.

Soooo...Penguins fans:

You'll all be very happy to know that, because Vinny Lecavalier is such a train wreck, "Mr. Train Wreck" himself, the beloved Zac Rinaldo, will be making his long-anticipated return to the Flyers lineup tomorrow afternoon against the Nashville Predators.

/sarcasm

My top hope is that Shea Weber destroys him with a hit 6 seconds after Rinaldo steps on the ice, and gives him some sort of non-head-related injury that forces him to miss about 2 seasons worth of hockey.

Soooo...Penguins fans:

You'll all be very happy to know that, because Vinny Lecavalier is such a train wreck, "Mr. Train Wreck" himself, the beloved Zac Rinaldo, will be making his long-anticipated return to the Flyers lineup tomorrow afternoon against the Nashville Predators.

/sarcasm

My top hope is that Shea Weber destroys him with a hit 6 seconds after Rinaldo steps on the ice, and gives him some sort of non-head-related injury that forces him to miss about 2 seasons worth of hockey.
- jmatchett383

Im actually a pretty big Rinaldo fan

Did someone say offseason????
- nbartley9

I picture gary roberts holding up that bar with one hand with ease and not breaking a sweat and just staring at the other guy whos working out real hard

MM was talking about Iggy and how much of a joke it was. 500 goals on 1 side, come to pitt and you gotta change. Also saying 14 is not a top6 anymore.
- sammy87

That Iggy mess is on Disco. Sids line was the best in the league at the time so he didn't want to split it up and Dan wouldn't move Neal back to the left side. He loved that 1 timer from the off wing...as far as 14 ,he may not be top 6 anymore but he is on this team right now. But there alot worse top 6 around the league than #14

Yeah Ive heard 58 is a beast and takes his workouts extremely seriously, and that nobody works as hard as him.
- sammy87

58 is a complete monster in the gym. He's up there with a handfull of NHLers. Cammalleri, 87, Stamkos, 58, and crazily enough Danius Zubrus. Shea Weber showed up to training camp in 2013 at 6'4, 238 pounds, 4% body fat. Chara is a freak, too.

The NHL all-star no gym team:

Colby Armstrong - Sutter - Kessel

Matt Niskanen - John-Michael Liles

Honourable mention to proud Manchester Monarch Mike Richards.

I picture gary roberts holding up that bar with one hand with ease and not breaking a sweat and just staring at the other guy whos working out real hard
- JLT168

What you cant see in this picture is that he is impregnating a woman walking on the sidewalk right outside his gym just with that stare....

58 is a complete monster in the gym. He's up there with a handfull of NHLers. Cammalleri, 87, Stamkos, 58, and crazily enough Danius Zubrus. Shea Weber showed up to training camp in 2013 at 6'4, 238 pounds, 4% body fat. Chara is a freak, too.

The NHL all-star no gym team:

Colby Armstrong - Sutter - Kessel

Matt Niskanen - John-Michael Liles

Honourable mention to proud Manchester Monarch Mike Richards.
- Johnny Wrath

Shea Weber is actually chiseled out of Scandinavian granite.

58 is a complete monster in the gym. He's up there with a handfull of NHLers. Cammalleri, 87, Stamkos, 58, and crazily enough Danius Zubrus. Shea Weber showed up to training camp in 2013 at 6'4, 238 pounds, 4% body fat. Chara is a freak, too.

The NHL all-star no gym team:

Colby Armstrong - Sutter - Kessel

Matt Niskanen - John-Michael Liles

Honourable mention to proud Manchester Monarch Mike Richards.
- Johnny Wrath

What about this guy?

Shea Weber is actually chiseled out of Scandinavian granite.
- jmatchett383

I heard the seed that begat Weber was Bill Clement's mustache.

Do you mean Trotz or Torts?
- chimpira

Torts. Don't know why I put the z honestly But yes, trotz too