Staal huh?

He would help, but maybe only this year. Perron needs resigned, I think Maata and Despress would be up for new deals. That might make it tight. Shipping off Kuni as part of the deal leaves a hole in the top 6, and possibly the 3rd line the next year. If they could unload Sutter and Scuds then I guess why not.
- sammy87

Cant worry about next year.

Staal huh?

He would help, but maybe only this year. Perron needs resigned, I think Maata and Despress would be up for new deals. That might make it tight. Shipping off Kuni as part of the deal leaves a hole in the top 6, and possibly the 3rd line the next year. If they could unload Sutter and Scuds then I guess why not.
- sammy87

Sutter and scuds to make the money work. I'd rather not deal Kunitz since that is creating a new hole. Add dumoulin and a mid tier prospect like uher or dea. Done deal. If they retain salary ship them a 4th

Id do DP sutter for staal straightup. DP has shown he might be really good, but has also shown he isn't helping win a cup this year.
- Grinder47

R u crazy? DP looks like letang 2.0. I believe he does help this year in a quarterback position on the 2nd pp unit as well as an overall offensive threat...seems like every time he shoots the puck it's on net.

I want stall......but don't involve pouliat!

Was trying to figure out a way that Pens could get Staal under the cap this year, it would almost mean that Martin gets moved. That would also mean, Sutter has to go back int he deal...that would get you under the cap. You could trade Martin for a pick, trade Sutter, Doums/Harrington and probably Kap for Staal. I would hate to trade Martin, but if it means getting Staal, I am on board for it. Pens are going to lose Martin at the end of the year, you can get a 2nd for him, I would do it.

Sutter and scuds to make the money work. I'd rather not deal Kunitz since that is creating a new hole. Add dumoulin and a mid tier prospect like uher or dea. Done deal. If they retain salary ship them a 4th
- buckster2342

Hi I want to trade you a solid #2C locked up for a long time for a garbage 3C who you traded us and has been terrible and I will also throw in our worst Dman who has a terrible contract for his performance and age....deal?

Was trying to figure out a way that Pens could get Staal under the cap this year, it would almost mean that Martin gets moved. That would also mean, Sutter has to go back int he deal...that would get you under the cap. You could trade Martin for a pick, trade Sutter, Doums/Harrington and probably Kap for Staal. I would hate to trade Martin, but if it means getting Staal, I am on board for it. Pens are going to lose Martin at the end of the year, you can get a 2nd for him, I would do it.
- Thorny

Also is Dupes does come back next year, it makes things even more difficult cap wise. I don't see a deal for Staal.

Oh boy, I thought the Jagr idiots were bad, here come the Staal knuckleheads.

Staal has proven he is nothing more than a 3rd line C in Carolina. He wanted to be top 6, got it and can't handle it.

If Carolina takes Sutter and 3 mill in salary then of course. But 6 mill for this guy....6 freaking mill. Oh not to mention we already offered that and he still wanted to leave.

I will always give him credit for some clutch play, but lets be honest he is nowhere near a 6 million dollar player on a team that cannot afford to give out more bad contracts.
- Sell My Monkey

I couldn't agree more. That contract he got is ridiculous for what he brings considering he is nothing more than a 3C.

I couldn't agree more. That contract he got is ridiculous for what he brings considering he is nothing more than a 3C.
- acdc1206

Staal at 4.5, ok. Staal at 6 is nuts in the context of our cap. Does anybody find it strange that GMJR is making comments about another teams player? You never hear that kind of thing from GM's around the league. Is that crossing into tampering?

Sounds like a bad idea from every angle. They need an upgrade over Sutter, but not at that price.

Does anybody find it strange that GMJR is making comments about another teams player? You never hear that kind of thing from GM's around the league. Is that crossing into tampering?
- madmike71

He was asked about Staal and answered. I don't think that's tampering, and it's hard to "tamper" when you're talking about a trade that happened in the past, and about a player who is signed for 3 more seasons.

He didn't really say that he was trying to get Staal back, at least according to the Molinari article.

Id do DP sutter for staal straightup. DP has shown he might be really good, but has also shown he isn't helping win a cup this year.
- Grinder47

Your assessment of talent is really bad bud. Dumoulin was the best of the 3 this season. Harrington is the one you add in a deal, he looked nearly 2 seasons away from the nhl.


I also have zero interest in staal. Good player, but not for the price. It's be another Sutter situation of not playing up to the money.

I like Sutter a lot more than most folks do, but I wonder if a Sutter for Vermette deal could be worked out.

Money wise it would work.

And I'd think Vermette's higher value vs. Sutter still having a year on his deal would even out.

I couldn't agree more. That contract he got is ridiculous for what he brings considering he is nothing more than a 3C.
- acdc1206

He isn't your average 3C. With Pitt he played around 20min/game and could move up the lineup if there was injuries. 1 of the top PK forwards in the league and a threat to score the odd shorty and he can play a shut down roll. I'm not saying it would be the best idea to get him but it also wouldn't be the worse

I like Sutter a lot more than most folks do, but I wonder if a Sutter for Vermette deal could be worked out.

Money wise it would work.

And I'd think Vermette's higher value vs. Sutter still having a year on his deal would even out.
- hardnosed

I'd love to see Vermette on our 3rd line. Good on the PK and faceoffs, durable and can chip in some goals. I don't know if a sutter for vermette would work straight up but both teams could add to work it out

I'd love to see Vermette on our 3rd line. Good on the PK and faceoffs, durable and can chip in some goals. I don't know if a sutter for vermette would work straight up but both teams could add to work it out
- willi

I think they're about equal in value all things considered.

The question is whether Phoenix would have any interest in another bottom six type center.

He was asked about Staal and answered. I don't think that's tampering, and it's hard to "tamper" when you're talking about a trade that happened in the past, and about a player who is signed for 3 more seasons.

He didn't really say that he was trying to get Staal back, at least according to the Molinari article.
- hardnosed

You're right. I just went back and read the comments. I still find a couple of his comments odd.....at least when you think of the way these guys normally speak to the media. Normally they deflect and say stuff about "liking the players we have"....that kind of thing.

One thing is certain, GMJR is a lot more honest/revealing. Maybe a little too honest IMO.

He isn't your average 3C. With Pitt he played around 20min/game and could move up the lineup if there was injuries. 1 of the top PK forwards in the league and a threat to score the odd shorty and he can play a shut down roll. I'm not saying it would be the best idea to get him but it also wouldn't be the worse
- willi

You're right, he's possibly the best 3rd like center... Who is getting paid more than the average 2nd line center.
On an already cap stretched team, considering him is honestly a joke.

You're right, he's possibly the best 3rd like center... Who is getting paid more than the average 2nd line center.
On an already cap stretched team, considering him is honestly a joke.
- Guile

Cap wise it probably doesn't make sence. But you can't judge Staal by the line he plays on. He gives you 20 minutes a game so that would put him 3rd or 4th among forwards

I'd love to see Vermette on our 3rd line. Good on the PK and faceoffs, durable and can chip in some goals. I don't know if a sutter for vermette would work straight up but both teams could add to work it out
- willi

No way. Pass on Vermette. I don't think people realize that he is almost 33 years old and would be strictly a rental. I would rather trade Sutter to Sens for Michalek who is only 30 and has two years left on contract at $4 mil per.

No way. Pass on Vermette. I don't think people realize that he is almost 33 years old and would be strictly a rental. I would rather trade Sutter to Sens for Michalek who is only 30 and has two years left on contract at $4 mil per.
- joescullz

I realize Vermette would be a rental but that would give you cap space and more flexibility for next year. Michalek isn't the player he was 3 years ago. He scored 17 last year (with Spezza) and is on pace for the same this year.

Also is Dupes does come back next year, it makes things even more difficult cap wise. I don't see a deal for Staal.
- sammy87

Well, I think with the cap going up, if you trade Kuntiz, you will be ok. I think there is a chance Duper could be done to be honest. To be honest, might not be the worst thing for the Pens either. You keep him in the organization, lose the contract. That would mean Kap would need to make the team next year. You trade Spaling and his 2.2 mil also, I think its doable, but it wont be easy. Like I said before, I think this is a draft day type deal, not a deadline type deal.

Well, I think with the cap going up, if you trade Kuntiz, you will be ok. I think there is a chance Duper could be done to be honest. To be honest, might not be the worst thing for the Pens either. You keep him in the organization, lose the contract. That would mean Kap would need to make the team next year. You trade Spaling and his 2.2 mil also, I think its doable, but it wont be easy. Like I said before, I think this is a draft day type deal, not a deadline type deal.
- Thorny

If Dupes comes back and you bring in Staal, you are adding just under $10mil to what is already there. Say it goes up $2mil, you're ok if you drop Martin and Hoff and send Sutter the other way. Either way, I can't see CAR taking Sutter back. Thats pretty bad as far as marketing and customer relations goes.

He was asked about Staal and answered. I don't think that's tampering, and it's hard to "tamper" when you're talking about a trade that happened in the past, and about a player who is signed for 3 more seasons.

He didn't really say that he was trying to get Staal back, at least according to the Molinari article.
- hardnosed

I'd love Staal back. Not worried about the money. Worried about assets to acquire? Yes.

But most importantly I think your last sentence is the key here. I agree, I didn't get the impression JR is really going all in for Staal, just simply answering a question. What's he going to say to that question? "No, Sutter is better"

Well, I think with the cap going up, if you trade Kuntiz, you will be ok. I think there is a chance Duper could be done to be honest. To be honest, might not be the worst thing for the Pens either. You keep him in the organization, lose the contract. That would mean Kap would need to make the team next year. You trade Spaling and his 2.2 mil also, I think its doable, but it wont be easy. Like I said before, I think this is a draft day type deal, not a deadline type deal.
- Thorny

Definitely agree. But we do have 8 days to figure out a way to make it work as a TDL deal

Always thought it was weird he chose his brother over winning. I don't know anything about life as a pro hockey player but I feel that if I was in his shoes, I'd want to win. Or would have chosen the Rangers over the Canes and got the best of both worlds. (Then again, Marc is a douche)

I always liked Staal, but the 3 center model was flawed. It only worked when 71 and 11 had cheaper contracts. It forced the Pens to have scrubs on the wings and the reason why they will be paying Dupes and Kunitz till their 39.

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