As long as I am extremely high, it doesn't matter.
- Marwood

So we have TJ Brodie and Hjalmarsson

TJ 61 gp 10 g 25 ast 35 pts 20 hits 128 blocked shots newr contract 4.65
HJ 61 gp 2 g 10 ast 12 pts 33 hits 102 blocked shots on contract 4.1
C.T. 53 gp 2 g 13 ast 15 pts 20 hits 131 blocked shots. TBD

Pedan will likely be on the team next year in a 6/7 role, he's waiver eligible and Benning would look stupid if he waives him after camp and Pedan gets claimed after the Canucks traded a 3rd round pick for him less than a year ago.

The big Russian will be a Canuck this fall.
- Nucker101

you sure Pedan is waiver eligible? NHL numbers says he has one more year left on his contract? Don't know if that even makes a difference.

I still say Tanev ends up getting Bieksa/Hamhuis money (ie around the 4.6m mark).
- AlexF

Let's put it this way. Does Tanev deserve Ryan McDonagh money? Cause he signed for $4.7M

I still say Tanev ends up getting Bieksa/Hamhuis money (ie around the 4.6m mark).
- AlexF

Depends on how many UFA years are bought up in his next contract.

The Hjalmarsson comparison is actually really good, both guys aren't known as offensive guys, neither are physically intimating, and both block a ton of shots while playing very solid defensive hockey. Both can also make a good first pass to start a breakout. And if a team as good as CHI considers a guy like that to be a core player than the Canucks sure as hell can as well. And for all the CHI cap troubles, he''s one guy they never talk about moving, that says something about how valuable he is.
- Nucker101

Hjarlmarsson was given an offer sheet by SJ so his salary is a bit inflated, but in todays market place a top 4 guy gets 4mil easy

Devils advocate . NTC I am going down with the ship.
- VANTEL

New GM, and Bieksa seems like a prideful guy. I think when he was asked that question, he took it as more "Are you going want out if this team starts rebuilding?"

And not...."Would you waive your NTC if they don't want you here?"


I think he'd potentially give a list(of maybe only a handful of teams) at the draft if Benning told him he wasn't a fit in the team's plans for next year and beyond. He's also from the East so I'd guess that playing closer to home and on a similar or better team than the Canucks would be intriguing to him.

New GM, and Bieksa seems like a prideful guy. I think when he was asked that question, he took it as more "Are you going want out if this team starts rebuilding?"

And not...."Would you waive your NTC if they don't want you here?"


I think he'd potentially give a list(of maybe only a handful of teams) at the draft if Benning told him he wasn't a fit in the team's plans for next year and beyond. He's also from the East so I'd guess that playing closer to home and on a similar or better team than the Canucks would be intriguing to him.
- Nucker101

Thorton and Marleau didn't waive when asked ,and they were not wanted.

So we have TJ Brodie and Hjalmarsson

TJ 61 gp 10 g 25 ast 35 pts 20 hits 128 blocked shots newr contract 4.65
HJ 61 gp 2 g 10 ast 12 pts 33 hits 102 blocked shots on contract 4.1
C.T. 53 gp 2 g 13 ast 15 pts 20 hits 131 blocked shots. TBD
- manvanfan

So yeah, that 4.0-4.5M dollar range seems reasonable. And his agent probably isn't stupid, he'll bring up the GA/60 numbers where Tanev is usually on the pair that gives up the least goals and also bring up that Tanev was severely underpaid the last couple of years.

Thorton and Marleau didn't waive when asked ,and they were not wanted.
- VANTEL

I don't think those 2, Joe Thornton especially is cut from the same cloth as Bieksa personality-wise.

Thorton and Marleau didn't waive when asked ,and they were not wanted.
- VANTEL

only way Bieksa waives is if you cut his playing time or even make him an healthy scratch from time to time.... which isn't out of the realm of possibilities.... some guys may have passed him now.

I don't think those 2, Joe Thornton especially is cut from the same cloth as Bieksa personality-wise.
- Nucker101

I think they have a lot in common

only way Bieksa waives is if you cut his playing time or even make him an healthy scratch from time to time.... which isn't out of the realm of possibilities.... some guys may have passed him now.
- Mungo

Nice that next year is a contract year. Booner would be better to tell you about Bieksa than me in contract years.

Hjarlmarsson was given an offer sheet by SJ so his salary is a bit inflated, but in todays market place a top 4 guy gets 4mil easy
- Mungo

70 defencemen make $4M or more. That includes Pronger. That means that a handful of guys who aren't top 2 D-men (about 9) make that much.

I think they have a lot in common
- VANTEL

I feel like Joe would be more happy retiring in a place where he's comfortable(not a big hockey market, nice weather) and doesn't care if he's not wanted and won't win a cup on a declining team.



I know Booner is gonna rip me, but Bieksa just comes off as a guy who's more competitive and has more pride(or ego for Booner's sake ) than that. If he's not wanted I can see him getting a little pissed and giving a list of a few teams he'd go to, I'm guessing most of the teams on the list would be contenders where he cod play top 4 mins as a RHD.

70 defencemen make $4M or more. That includes Pronger. That means that a handful of guys who aren't top 2 D-men (about 9) make that much.
- KB3Point0

well before his injury he was in the top pairing so he fits in that category. you can argue if he should even be in that spot, but the fact is him and edler make up our top Defensive pair

So yeah, that 4.0-4.5M dollar range seems reasonable. And his agent probably isn't stupid, he'll bring up the GA/60 numbers where Tanev is usually on the pair that gives up the least goals and also bring up that Tanev was severely underpaid the last couple of years.
- Nucker101

Tanev also plays no pp but over 2 minutes a game On the PK much higher then the other two but much lower on PP. It's a hard sell.

I like Tanev but.....

If I am Benning I am looking at , Tanev is not a point producer, he gets injured enough times from being banged around, the team didn't miss a beat when he was out this year, and I can get a very good return for him in a package deal.
- VANTEL

This was discussed earlier in the year a bit. Tanev is a bit frail and seems to be injured every season for odd stretches. I like him too but I've never really been sold he is stable enough to last in the west long term.

I think Benning is totally looking at what you had claimed. If the Tanev camp won't budge on contract demands I would be totally fine with moving him if the return was there.

Tanev also plays no pp but over 2 minutes a game On the PK much higher then the other two but much lower on PP. It's a hard sell.
- manvanfan

That speaks more to his lack of offensive upside, it's not like his points per 60 mins at 5v5 is top notch.

I feel like Joe would be more happy retiring in a place where he's comfortable(not a big hockey market, nice weather) and doesn't care if he's not wanted and won't win a cup on a declining team.



I know Booner is gonna rip me, but Bieksa just comes off as a guy who's more competitive and has more pride(or ego for Booner's sake ) than that. If he's not wanted I can see him getting a little pissed and giving a list of a few teams he'd go to, I'm guessing most of the teams on the list would be contenders where he cod play top 4 mins as a RHD.
- Nucker101

I agree with your assessment but I also think he has a lot invested in Vancouver and might be reluctant to leave

I agree with your assessment but I also think he has a lot invested in Vancouver and might be reluctant to leave
- bezz44

Do you think Bieksa would be willing to take a paycut if he decides to stay after his current contract is up. He'll most likely be a bottom pairing D-man going forward with us.

Value is subjective though. EDM can say Petry is worth a 1st + 2nd all day long but if no one pays that price, that is not in fact the price. Something's only as valuable as what someone is willing to pay for it.
- AlexF

TSN is reporting that the price for Petry has gone up from 2nd + to 1st +.
As I was saying the value is created by the buyer not the seller. The seller sets the price. If a team like Ducks really need a d and there is a shortage of d then the value to Ducks is high hence the price.
Also TSN is reporting that although Wisniewski is available he is not willing to be traded. As per the MNTC Wisniewski submitted 10 teams he would get traded to and the list has teams that cannot afford him or have no need for another D. That means another names scratched off the available D list. JB really needs to call every GM and peddle KB or Hammer. Hammer can get 2x 1st + at this rate.

This was discussed earlier in the year a bit. Tanev is a bit frail and seems to be injured every season for odd stretches. I like him too but I've never really been sold he is stable enough to last in the west long term.

I think Benning is totally looking at what you had claimed. If the Tanev camp won't budge on contract demands I would be totally fine with moving him if the return was there.
- LordHumungous

Trade Tanev and the Canucks RHD depth chart would be as follows next year

1. Bieksa(turns 34 this summer)
2. Clendening
3. Corrado
4. Weber?



If you do trade him, you better get back a RHD either in the trade or some other way, and preferably someone under 30 since Tanev is only 25.

This was discussed earlier in the year a bit. Tanev is a bit frail and seems to be injured every season for odd stretches. I like him too but I've never really been sold he is stable enough to last in the west long term.

I think Benning is totally looking at what you had claimed. If the Tanev camp won't budge on contract demands I would be totally fine with moving him if the return was there.
- LordHumungous

2.47 blocks per game, 7.04 blocks/60 mins will take its toll
8th in the league right now in blocks

TSN is reporting that the price for Petry has gone up from 2nd + to 1st +.
As I was saying the value is created by the buyer not the seller. The seller sets the price. If a team like Ducks really need a d and there is a shortage of d then the value to Ducks is high hence the price.
Also TSN is reporting that although Wisniewski is available he is not willing to be traded. As per the MNTC Wisniewski submitted 10 teams he would get traded to and the list has teams that cannot afford him or have no need for another D. That means another names scratched off the available D list. JB really needs to call every GM and peddle KB or Hammer. Hammer can get 2x 1st + at this rate.
- Linden_4_Capt

Canucks won't be selling any of the core at this TDL. Benning would lose a lot of respect from the locker room if he did. The team is 2nd in the division as of right now and the TDL is on Monday.