EnzoD
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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Hawks send:
Patrick Sharp, Bryan Bickell + 2015 2nd round pick, 2016 1st round pick, David Rundblad
Yotes send:
Antoine Vermette + Keith Yandle + David Moss
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blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Lake in the Hills, IL Joined: 06.06.2009
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Hawks send:
Patrick Sharp, Bryan Bickell + 2015 2nd round pick, 2016 1st round pick, David Rundblad
Yotes send:
Antoine Vermette + Keith Yandle + David Moss
- EnzoD
So the 'yotes will take Rundblad back for that 2nd rounder? And they want to take on $9.9M in cap hit for players who are under-performing? And give up their two biggest bargaining chips? The only way PHX does something along these lines is for the picks to be turned into two of the top 5 or 6 'Hawks prospects. And Stanley would rather cut off his nuts before doing that. |
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HawkintheD
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Location: Sick Bay, MI Joined: 02.22.2012
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I really hate the narrative of they kept players too long. You know you can't have it both ways.
On one hand, you can't say, we're doing the Detroit model, and we are going to let guys over develop and stay in the minors an extra year so they are past ready, then after said year say you held on to them too long.
You also can't use the narrative that the Hawks overvalue their prospects compared to the rest of the league, then kill them for not trading away these prospects and thinking the return was going to something special.
And as far as all the superstars the Hawks could have traded Olsen, Pirri, Morin, come with some facts of trades that were turned down to keep these guys. Its very easy to say Hawks could have gotten this guy or that guy without the facts. As it is, I think the trades that happened, the hawks got same or better value in most of them. - vabeachbear
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EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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So the 'yotes will take Rundblad back for that 2nd rounder? And they want to take on $9.9M in cap hit for players who are under-performing? And give up their two biggest bargaining chips? The only way PHX does something along these lines is for the picks to be turned into two of the top 5 or 6 'Hawks prospects. And Stanley would rather cut off his nuts before doing that. - blackhawk24
Rundblad was a joke and they want to move both Yandle and Vermette. turn the 2nd into a 1st and i dont think its a stretch to say that Don Maloney would consider that a very good return for a pending 2015 UFA and 2016 UFA in Yandle(both of which will not be re-signing). |
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BearsnHawks
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Location: TX Joined: 07.01.2012
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My views:
On defense:
In the few games I have seen Cumiskey play I think he can be our #5/6 d-man for the rest of this season. When we get Oduya and TVR we have our top 6 d-men. If we do trade for another d-man that is fine, but we better not overpay for a middling rental.
Roszival is useless and needs to be sent to waivers if we can't trade him. Rundblad can only shoot the puck and is as big as a defensive liability as Roszival is. Erixon looked decent last night but I need another game or two to give my final verdict.
On forwards:
While we still can't score as much as we should, I thought our forwards played a complete game last night. When Bickell and Shaw hit people good things seem to happen on that line. The fourth line of Smith/Nordstrom/Kruger Looked very good last night. The top line was mostly dominant for the entire game and our second line was starting to get some decent opportunities but still need to improve.
If we trade a 4th-7th round pick and a middle to low level prospect for some bottom 6 grit I would be fine with it. I do not think we should trade for more than that for a rental though. If we package Sharp, Bickell, or Raanta for a young, NHL ready, top 4 d-man or top 6 forward and we can keep him past this season then I am fine with a big deal going down, but this is really our one shot at getting a top prospect/pick that should turn into a high caliber player and help our future.
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BearsnHawks
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Location: TX Joined: 07.01.2012
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Rundblad was a joke and they want to move both Yandle and Vermette. turn the 2nd into a 1st and i dont think its a stretch to say that Don Maloney would consider that a very good return for a pending 2015 UFA and 2016 UFA in Yandle(both of which will not be re-signing). - EnzoD
If Stan trades his 1st round pick in this years draft he is an idiot(unless we get a top young/cheap player that we will have on the team for years to come in return). Luckily, Stan doesn't trade 1st round picks nor has he traded for a rental that he had no plan to re-sign. |
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MNHawk
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Location: Richfield, MN Joined: 07.18.2014
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My views:
On defense:
In the few games I have seen Cumiskey play I think he can be our #5/6 d-man for the rest of this season. When we get Oduya and TVR we have our top 6 d-men. If we do trade for another d-man that is fine, but we better not overpay for a middling rental.
Roszival is useless and needs to be sent to waivers if we can't trade him. Rundblad can only shoot the puck and is as big as a defensive liability as Roszival is. Erixon looked decent last night but I need another game or two to give my final verdict.
On forwards:
While we still can't score as much as we should, I thought our forwards played a complete game last night. When Bickell and Shaw hit people good things seem to happen on that line. The fourth line of Smith/Nordstrom/Kruger Looked very good last night. The top line was mostly dominant for the entire game and our second line was starting to get some decent opportunities but still need to improve.
If we trade a 4th-7th round pick and a middle to low level prospect for some bottom 6 grit I would be fine with it. I do not think we should trade for more than that for a rental though. If we package Sharp, Bickell, or Raanta for a young, NHL ready, top 4 d-man or top 6 forward and we can keep him past this season then I am fine with a big deal going down, but this is really our one shot at getting a top prospect/pick that should turn into a high caliber player and help our future. - BearsnHawks
Rozsival is exactly the kind of veteran defenseman you want as your 7th during the playoffs. He's a little nasty, which is needed, but imperfect. And, more importantly, no one is trading for him. And waiving him still means the Hawks would be hit with over $1mil cap hit. He isn't going anywhere.
Defense overall was good last night. BUT, that was against a very average offensive team. Let's wait on judgement until after tonight. Tampa can fill the net, and quickly. |
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EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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If Stan trades his 1st round pick in this years draft he is an idiot(unless we get a top young/cheap player that we will have on the team for years to come in return). Luckily, Stan doesn't trade 1st round picks nor has he traded for a rental that he had no plan to re-sign. - BearsnHawks
Hawks need to win now. What good does a late 1st round pick do for the Hawks this year? or next year? Maybe in 2016/17 the player will have an impact. Hossa will be 40 by then... |
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Lash8
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 07.30.2012
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you really see one coming bows...i don't...despite what bowman says and i find really strange he went public with comments about being close... - bogiedoc
You think there's any possibility that he has a deal finalized, but they're waiting to tell Bickell that he's been traded until after his charity gala tomorrow night? |
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BearsnHawks
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Location: TX Joined: 07.01.2012
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Rozsival is exactly the kind of veteran defenseman you want as your 7th during the playoffs. He's a little nasty, which is needed, but imperfect. And, more importantly, no one is trading for him. And waiving him still means the Hawks would be hit with over $1mil cap hit. He isn't going anywhere.
Defense overall was good last night. BUT, that was against a very average offensive team. Let's wait on judgement until after tonight. Tampa can fill the net, and quickly. - MNHawk
I guess I disagree with you, his style of play does not go well with the Hawks. His lack of speed makes his d-partner exposed the entire game (has last year and all of this year too). If he would hold and grab people like every other teams slow d-men do I think he could be serviceable, but he doesn't. Also, when he brings his "nasty" out, it takes him way out of position and exposes us for goals. For only being +3 and having sheltered minutes, that is deplorable.
When TVR comes back to the Hawks someone needs to send a d-man down (and they are elligble for waivers) someone and my vote is for Roszival. |
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TyCamScore
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 09.09.2010
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Lots of buzz about CHI already today RE: Trades. It's been a whirlwind these last couple days. True or not, those rumours appear to have sped up the urgency of a deal.
"Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 38m38 minutes ago
Blackhawks working hard to get a deal done today. We shall see."
" @TFroehlig · 14m 14 minutes ago
Blackhawks will have some sort of "significant" deal done before the upcoming trade deadline, I'm hearing. I wonder how big we're talking?" |
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howiehandles
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Location: IL Joined: 06.18.2010
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Lots of buzz about CHI already today RE: Trades. It's been a whirlwind these last couple days. True or not, those rumours appear to have sped up the urgency of a deal.
"Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 38m38 minutes ago
Blackhawks working hard to get a deal done today. We shall see."
" @TFroehlig · 14m 14 minutes ago
Blackhawks will have some sort of "significant" deal done before the upcoming trade deadline, I'm hearing. I wonder how big we're talking?" - TyCamScore
I wonder whose definition of significant it is. My definition would be an impact player, such as a 2C, and a 4/5 defenseman. Ideally, I'd like to see another energy guy, whether that's the forward or defenseman. As I said yesterday, I thought Jagr would have been a nice fit, especially on the PK. The way Hossa controlled the puck on the Toews goal, that's the sort of thing Jagr offers the Hawks, patience and control. He's slow, but he still has skills that could fit within a certain amount of minutes. He'd be dangerous with his big body in front of the net with that stick of his. I liked what I saw out of Direct TV Bickell, but inspiration isn't permanent. Also Shaw really was going after Petrovic. That was fun to watch. Not because of any retribution for a non issue, but nice to see Shaw being Shaw. He needs to be a wing, not a center. |
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kwolf68
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Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA Joined: 12.18.2010
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Lots of buzz about CHI already today RE: Trades. It's been a whirlwind these last couple days. True or not, those rumours appear to have sped up the urgency of a deal.
"Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 38m38 minutes ago
Blackhawks working hard to get a deal done today. We shall see."
" @TFroehlig · 14m 14 minutes ago
Blackhawks will have some sort of "significant" deal done before the upcoming trade deadline, I'm hearing. I wonder how big we're talking?" - TyCamScore
Shoot there goes my day. |
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ImThatGuy
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Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY Joined: 11.04.2010
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Lots of buzz about CHI already today RE: Trades. It's been a whirlwind these last couple days. True or not, those rumours appear to have sped up the urgency of a deal.
"Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 38m38 minutes ago
Blackhawks working hard to get a deal done today. We shall see."
" @TFroehlig · 14m 14 minutes ago
Blackhawks will have some sort of "significant" deal done before the upcoming trade deadline, I'm hearing. I wonder how big we're talking?" - TyCamScore
There is an alleged deal in place for Chris Stewart from Andy Strickland "Team just waiting on Murray to pull the trigger". Possible Stewart to Hawks? |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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Lots of buzz about CHI already today RE: Trades. It's been a whirlwind these last couple days. True or not, those rumours appear to have sped up the urgency of a deal.
"Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 38m38 minutes ago
Blackhawks working hard to get a deal done today. We shall see."
" @TFroehlig · 14m 14 minutes ago
Blackhawks will have some sort of "significant" deal done before the upcoming trade deadline, I'm hearing. I wonder how big we're talking?" - TyCamScore
Stan probably had the same view of the Maple Leafs as consumers in Canada have of Target stores - they are liquidating. Let's go shopping.
Oh wait, this junk isn't that cheap.
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MNHawk
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Location: Richfield, MN Joined: 07.18.2014
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I guess I disagree with you, his style of play does not go well with the Hawks. His lack of speed makes his d-partner exposed the entire game (has last year and all of this year too). If he would hold and grab people like every other teams slow d-men do I think he could be serviceable, but he doesn't. Also, when he brings his "nasty" out, it takes him way out of position and exposes us for goals. For only being +3 and having sheltered minutes, that is deplorable.
When TVR comes back to the Hawks someone needs to send a d-man down (and they are elligble for waivers) someone and my vote is for Roszival. - BearsnHawks
That's cool. Just to be clear, I'm not a Rozi fan but have no issues with him as a 7th d-man.
And I have a feeling TVR won't be back anytime soon. What are the rules on "conditioning assignments" again? I'm thinking he spends the next month in Rockvegas. |
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BearsnHawks
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Location: TX Joined: 07.01.2012
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Hawks need to win now. What good does a late 1st round pick do for the Hawks this year? or next year? Maybe in 2016/17 the player will have an impact. Hossa will be 40 by then... - EnzoD
By all reports this draft is stacked with talent. One of the most talented drafts of recent memory. Why do the Hawks need to go all out for this year? Kane is gone until the 2nd round of the playoffs anyway (at the earliest). Not saying the season is over but why go all in this year? Most of the time going all in doesn't guarantee anything and when trading for rentals we are just giving high value away for next to nothing. We will be losing one of our top 6 forwards after this year (Richards or Sharp) and Versteeg after next season. We need to have a plan to replace those players (plan is for TT to take over for one of those spots after this season). I personally want a competitive team for the next decade why possibly risk it for this year that is no guarantee with Kane out?
This draft pick may take Hossa's spot on the top 6 in the future and could be a future core player. |
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BearsnHawks
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Location: TX Joined: 07.01.2012
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That's cool. Just to be clear, I'm not a Rozi fan but have no issues with him as a 7th d-man.
And I have a feeling TVR won't be back anytime soon. What are the rules on "conditioning assignments" again? I'm thinking he spends the next month in Rockvegas. - MNHawk
Well he could stay down there for the rest of the year because he isn't eligible for waivers. However conditioning assignments are usually 1-2 weeks. |
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EKB13
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Location: IL Joined: 07.18.2009
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There is an alleged deal in place for Chris Stewart from Andy Strickland "Team just waiting on Murray to pull the trigger". Possible Stewart to Hawks? - ImThatGuy
If Buffalo is willing to eat half the cap hit, and isn't expecting too much in return for Stewart, I'd be okay with it. As long as there is still room to bring in a defenseman and possibly another forward, preferably at center.
I'm just hoping that the possibility of trading for Stewart doesn't turn into Bowman's only big move. That would be a complete letdown, IMO. |
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ikeane
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Location: Jacksonville, FL Joined: 11.04.2005
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Lots of buzz about CHI already today RE: Trades. It's been a whirlwind these last couple days. True or not, those rumours appear to have sped up the urgency of a deal.
"Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 38m38 minutes ago
Blackhawks working hard to get a deal done today. We shall see."
" @TFroehlig · 14m 14 minutes ago
Blackhawks will have some sort of "significant" deal done before the upcoming trade deadline, I'm hearing. I wonder how big we're talking?" - TyCamScore
It'll be Sharp, Bickell, Hartman, 2nd to FLA for Petrovic, Upshall and Hubredeau like JJ reported |
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BlazinMike
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 05.08.2013
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If Buffalo is willing to eat half the cap hit, and isn't expecting too much in return for Stewart, I'd be okay with it. As long as there is still room to bring in a defenseman and possibly another forward, preferably at center.
I'm just hoping that the possibility of trading for Stewart doesn't turn into Bowman's only big move. That would be a complete letdown, IMO. - EKolb13
Stewart does nothing for this team, or any team he's played on since the he was with the Avs. Maybe he had one good year with the Blues, but hes garbage overall. |
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If Buffalo is willing to eat half the cap hit, and isn't expecting too much in return for Stewart, I'd be okay with it. As long as there is still room to bring in a defenseman and possibly another forward, preferably at center.
I'm just hoping that the possibility of trading for Stewart doesn't turn into Bowman's only big move. That would be a complete letdown, IMO. - EKolb13
While it would be a smaller move than I think we're all hoping for, getting Stewart would be nice. I couldn't stand him when he was with the Blues. He plays a physical (sometimes questionable) game. But it might be nice to have a guy like that. Someone has to be willing to get nasty with the playoffs around the corner. |
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Ballam
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Location: Halifax, NS Joined: 02.07.2010
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It'll be Sharp, Bickell, Hartman, 2nd to FLA for Petrovic, Upshall and Hubredeau like JJ reported - ikeane
Huberdeau looked like a pedestrian last night. I can see what the FLA fan posters were talking about where he doesn't seem to have much battle in him and was pushed off the puck quite easily. Not at all what Chicago needs |
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BlazinMike
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 05.08.2013
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Shoot there goes my day. - kwolf68
No poop, I was buckling down to get a bunch of work done so I could just hang back and monitor stuff later today but now I wont be able to focus |
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ImThatGuy
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Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY Joined: 11.04.2010
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If Buffalo is willing to eat half the cap hit, and isn't expecting too much in return for Stewart, I'd be okay with it. As long as there is still room to bring in a defenseman and possibly another forward, preferably at center.
I'm just hoping that the possibility of trading for Stewart doesn't turn into Bowman's only big move. That would be a complete letdown, IMO. - EKolb13
They are going to be purging the roster. IMO any Stewart trade will involve Buffalo holding salary.
Stewart has been Buffalos best player the last 2 months. He has been a man on a mission.
Does not hurt he is playing for his last major contract. |
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