Explain.
- j.boyd919

If the narrative is to improve for the next two years at all cost, players that are still developing are not of optimal value. You could trade those assets to teams that will retain salary (for more assets).

The issue is that Despres is not at his potential, so this trade is only beneficial if Despres don't progress any further which seems very unlikely given his success at his limited time so far. Doesn't help that Lovejoy was traded for next to nothing only 2 years ago.
- jfkst1


Ok, so lets try this again then... The window for the Penguins to win the Stanley Cup is closing, what Lovejoy was traded for 2 years ago means absolutely nothing to what he was acquired for now, given that he is an improved player, that played top line minutes with Fowler on an ANA team that coasted to the Pacific title last season. So the Penguins traded a young Dman that tends to often make mistakes for a steady veteran defensemen to take a run at the cup. I feel much better having a player that is less of a liability heading into the playoffs. The Penguins are in win now mode, and this trade further solidifies that. As everyone knows, goals are a lot harder to come by in the playoffs, and I'm sure that management, present, and past have seen how Depres can gift wrap opportunities going the other way with his often made mistakes, and saw that as a laibility heading into the playoffs, thus trading for Lovejoy, a steady Veteran that is less likely to make those mistakes.. made sense.

Better?
- j.boyd919

it's come to this? we're comparing Despres-Lovejoy to Crosby-Toews?
- SuperHenderson13

I had to blow it up to make my point.

If the narrative is to improve for the next two years at all cost, players that are still developing are not of optimal value. You could trade those assets to teams that will retain salary (for more assets).
- jfkst1

trading despres for lovejoy isnt "at all cost".

i think a lot of people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. is it a weird trade? yes. is it an awful trade? not really.

some of you (not saying you jfk) are acting like this will set us back years and years.

Agreed. It's very weird. Bortz was announced ASAP. Something seems weird here. Maybe Despres did get a bad concussion last night and they are waiting for the physical to come back. Although that will be a day or two out in ANA. If ANA was aware of it then there is no blocked trade, if not Despres is ours.
- znagle

Also, the Ducks twitter account has announced both trades that happened after the Lovejoy-Despres trade....

Weird

Jason Mackey ‏@Mackey_Trib 1m1 minute ago
We're still waiting on Rutherford's 3:15 p.m. presser. It is not, I'm told, because of a third trade.

Pens made it official

I had to blow it up to make my point.
- Victoro311

But by blowing it up you are no longer comparing apples to apples

trading despres for lovejoy isnt "at all cost".

i think a lot of people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. is it a weird trade? yes. is it an awful trade? not really.

some of you (not saying you jfk) are acting like this will set us back years and years.
- SuperHenderson13

But Despres had the "potential" to be a middle pairing Pens Dman with slightly above fancy stats!

Penguins twitter just announced the trade.

With Bortuzzo and Despres being sent out, the Pens no longer have any player from Ray Shero's frist four drafts.

trading despres for lovejoy isnt "at all cost".

i think a lot of people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. is it a weird trade? yes. is it an awful trade? not really.

some of you (not saying you jfk) are acting like this will set us back years and years.
- SuperHenderson13

It hasn't set us back years and years, but bad trades are bad trades and I refuse to accept them just because poop happens and it could be worse. If we deemed Despres expendable, then fine. Our pipeline on D is good enough to take that hit. But this team has so many issues that you can't trade a guy like Despres for Lovejoy instead addressing other issues.

First on the Facebook announcement...yay.

eh maybe not.

It hasn't set us back years and years, but bad trades are bad trades and I refuse to accept them just because poop happens and it could be worse. If we deemed Despres expendable, then fine. Our pipeline on D is good enough to take that hit. But this team has so many issues that you can't trade a guy like Despres for Lovejoy instead addressing other issues.
- Victoro311

if this is as bad as it gets, i think we are doing fine.

The Despres trade is a head scratcher for me. Don't get it.

trading despres for lovejoy isnt "at all cost".

i think a lot of people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. is it a weird trade? yes. is it an awful trade? not really.

some of you (not saying you jfk) are acting like this will set us back years and years.
- SuperHenderson13

This trade will look DISASTROUS if Despres realizes his top pairing potential. He makes a lot of mistakes that are very coachable. Lovejoy is a fine #4 dman. But he is 31 and isn't going to be more than that. Despres is a capable #5 dman now. Immediate gain is marginal while future loss might be immense. To most, that is not sound asset management.

If the narrative is to improve for the next two years at all cost, players that are still developing are not of optimal value. You could trade those assets to teams that will retain salary (for more assets).
- jfkst1

But if management deemed him expendable due to the fact that he is a liability AND Dumo/Harrington/Maatta coming back, then why not try to acquire someone, who is better, for a deep playoff run? Depres was a liability, and you don't want that liability playing going into the playoffs. I completely understand this move, especially with what's waiting in the wings (Dumo/Harrington/Maatta).

First on the Facebook announcement...yay.

eh maybe not.
- Reverend Killtaker

And now I can pretend to know who you are.... as the not first person in the 35 I see already posted >_>

Nope.

again... two coaches and two gm's gave up on this guy... mean anything? I mean besides the cheerleaders?

This trade will look DISASTROUS if Despres realizes his top pairing potential. He makes a lot of mistakes that are very coachable. Lovejoy is a fine #4 dman. But he is 31 and isn't going to be more than that. Despres is a capable #5 dman now. Immediate gain is marginal while future loss might be immense. To most, that is not sound asset management.
- jfkst1

Thanks. This is the way people should be looking at this. Absolutely ATROCIOUS asset management and over emphasis on the present. Its not like our window is closing in one or two years. Despres could be better than Lovejoy as soon as next season.

I hate this trade and hate that it send s Pouliot back to WBS. Cole is small and won't fight and Lovejoy is old, soft and can't fight. Not that fighting is necessary but who wants to play on a team that can't protect it's own guys. Just furious right now.

This trade will look DISASTROUS if Despres realizes his top pairing potential. He makes a lot of mistakes that are very coachable. Lovejoy is a fine #4 dman. But he is 31 and isn't going to be more than that. Despres is a capable #5 dman now. Immediate gain is marginal while future loss might be immense. To most, that is not sound asset management.
- jfkst1

people automatically think that if a guy leaves here and goes off and reaches his potential that it's automatically a bad deal. it isnt.

lovejoy is proof of that. we traded lovejoy for a 5th because he was jammed behind 7-8 other guys. was never going to do anything here so we got a pick for him. he went to ANA and played really well and has become a very nice piece.

does that make him for a 5th a bad deal for us? no.

all im saying is that when one nhl brass has a player fall out of favor with them, then theres plenty of room for disagreement. when two nhl brasses has a player fall out of favor, it makes you wonder.

Acquisitions and departures under GMJR

Perron
Winnik
Lovejoy
Cole
Lapierre

Off season
Hornqvist
Spaling
Downie
Comeau
Ehrhoff
Greiss

for

Off season
James Neal

Despres
1st rounder
2nd rounder
Goc
Bortuzzo
Sill
4th rounder
7th rounder
Samuelson

Acquisitions and departures under GMJR

Perron
Winnik
Lovejoy
Cole
Lapierre

Off season
Hornqvist
Spaling
Downie
Comeau
Ehrhoff
Greiss

for

Off season
James Neal

Despres
1st rounder
2nd rounder
Goc
Bortuzzo
Sill
4th rounder
7th rounder
Samuelson
- znagle

Thats a lot of poop