I really hope that if everyone is healthy (minus Dupuis and Maatta) that Adams and Scuds are pushed out of the playoff roster. Making it to another round will more than make up for the money sitting. Sutter.
- Johnny Wrath

Get down on your knees and pray this happens. Please, I will too.

I really hope that if everyone is healthy (minus Dupuis and Maatta) that Adams and Scuds are pushed out of the playoff roster. Making it to another round will more than make up for the money sitting. Sutter.
- Johnny Wrath

even Berube knows sometimes you gotta sit the big money anchor

My pissing and moaning has nothing to do with who won the trade on paper. Im sick of trading away our young talent because we are too damn impatient to allow them to develop. Our scouting sucks to begin with, so we dont see much quality homegrown talent. And when we do we give it away year after year for deadline rentals.
- thickman1178

I really can't think of 1 young player the Pens traded away that was a mistake.

Whitney, Morrow, Esposito, Samuleson, Despres, Bortz, Lovejoy.....those guys arent necessarily building blocks for a franchise. Or am I missing someone?

As I put either last thread or this one... Sharp is really a good target for us. Two more years at a not huge cap hit, gives Malkin that top talent winger hes not always had. I feel like it looks more and more everyday that Ehrhoff AND Martin are not being kept, for different reasons of course. We will have a plethora of cap space, and Sharp should not be able to get full value since everyone knows of Chicago's cap situation.
- Guile

Yeah I was the one agreeing with you on that. I approve this message

I really can't think of 1 young player the Pens traded away that was a mistake.

Whitney, Morrow, Esposito, Samuleson, Despres, Bortz, Lovejoy.....those guys arent necessarily building blocks for a franchise. Or am I missing someone?
- sammy87

Staal.. but that's a whole different story and we actually got a great return.

Who would have thought that pairing Despres with a solid D partner rather than Scuderi would result in better play? Oh well. I'm sure Lovejoy will be able to cover Scuderi's poor play just as well...
- s0rcerer1984

I really hope that if everyone is healthy (minus Dupuis and Maatta) that Adams and Scuds are pushed out of the playoff roster. Making it to another round will more than make up for the money sitting. Sutter.
- Johnny Wrath

Scuderi will play, like it or not. I don't have much of a problem with it. We will roll with 7 D though.

Staal.. but that's a whole different story and we actually got a great return.
- znagle

But that wasn't a mistake, he wasn't going to resign, he didn't want to be in Pittsburgh, so trading him wasn't necessarily a mistake.

P.A. Parenteau is a healthy scratch. Maybe he's available. He has great possession numbers and would be a solid addition to our bottom si..... Wait a second. Today's not Monday....

even Berube knows sometimes you gotta sit the big money anchor
- BulliesPhan87

I sure as hell hope so. I can't see Adams being a stand-up black ace though.

I like how Montreal does it, frankly. Laraque sucks? Pouting? Thinks he can be a good player int he corners? Send him home. Kovalev (my favorite player of all time) is sulking and moaning? Go home and stay there.

Despres will be a 7-8 in Anaheim. He was a 5-6 in Pittsburgh. That's all; it's a matter of depth. If Anaheim doesn't get Wisniewski this deal never happens. Maybe Simon will be a nice player in a few years, maybe not. Pittsburgh will have much nicer players in the role Despres would have played in Pittsburgh when that time comes.

But that wasn't a mistake, he wasn't going to resign, he didn't want to be in Pittsburgh, so trading him wasn't necessarily a mistake.
- j.boyd919

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Unreal how we got such a great return.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Unreal how we got such a great return.
- znagle

Watch JR somehow Fleece his former organization for Jordan Staal at the draft for a 2016 second and Sutter, and have them retain 1.5 mil of Staal's salary for the rest of the years.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Unreal how we got such a great return.
- znagle

Sutter still sucks though. Either way, you can't say the Pens are pissing away their young talent when there really isn't any to begin with. Shero had some huge misses in the draft though. I still find it interesting about the myth of Shero drafting puck moving Dmen to flip them for forwards. It never happened.

Watch JR somehow Fleece his former organization for Jordan Staal at the draft for a 2016 second and Sutter, and have them retain 1.5 mil of Staal's salary for the rest of the years.
- Guile

Make it Sutter and BB with no pick.. but 1.5 retained

Sutter still sucks though. Either way, you can't say the Pens are pissing away their young talent when there really isn't any to begin with. Shero had some huge misses in the draft though. I still find it interesting about the myth of Shero drafting puck moving Dmen to flip them for forwards. It never happened.
- sammy87

He does. I still have faith somehow someway he will step it up, but he's running out of time with me. And Shero never had time to flip them... Imagine if he was here this year... He would have a field day.

Sutter still sucks though. Either way, you can't say the Pens are pissing away their young talent when there really isn't any to begin with. Shero had some huge misses in the draft though. I still find it interesting about the myth of Shero drafting puck moving Dmen to flip them for forwards. It never happened.
- sammy87

It didn't. I think the only 'prospect' D Shero moved was Morrow for Morrow. I'm not exactly sure who drafted Joe Morrow. Does Kunitz for Whiteney really count? Or Goligoski for Neal? Those weren't Shero's picks.

That being said, look at how quickly the forward situation was improved in one year. The in/out flow chart is really strong under JR and all of the top defense prospects are still here. Theoretically the prospects can still be traded for forwards but the need is much less pressing these days.

I think one of either Pouliot or Dumoulin will be traded; the spot doesn't exist for both of them. Will that be to replace a forward when then Kunitz contract expires? Probably. But right now the slotting is okay up front; I still don't love the D slotting but it wasn't going to get any better without moving Tanger.

He does. I still have faith somehow someway he will step it up, but he's running out of time with me. And Shero never had time to flip them... Imagine if he was here this year... He would have a field day.
- znagle

How would you like to have both Beau Bennett and Jeff Skinner on one team? Yikes. Better order lots of chocolate milk.

From a Ducks fan:

Tom Conway
"Should have traded Fowler and his $4.3M salary and we would have accomplished the same thing. Lovejoy is a better Dman than Fowler and since they don't play 4on4 OT in the playoffs there was no need to keep Fowler. The PP will now have Wiz and Vatanen on the point and Fowler to the bench. We missed our chance to sell high on Fowler."

Lets hope Lovejoy improved a lot. He'll do fine with Pouliot I guess. Young just like Fowler.

How would you like to have both Beau Bennett and Jeff Skinner on one team? Yikes. Better order lots of chocolate milk.
- Johnny Wrath

Granted, Skinner used to be good. I used to really like him.

From a Ducks fan:

Tom Conway
"Should have traded Fowler and his $4.3M salary and we would have accomplished the same thing. Lovejoy is a better Dman than Fowler and since they don't play 4on4 OT in the playoffs there was no need to keep Fowler. The PP will now have Wiz and Vatanen on the point and Fowler to the bench. We missed our chance to sell high on Fowler."

Lets hope Lovejoy improved a lot. He'll do fine with Pouliot I guess. Young just like Fowler.
- Barnaby36

Cam Fowler is a really awesome defender. He's better than Martin with a similar game but a better shot. He doesn't have a cannon and he's not a bruiser but for $4M I would be really happy with Cam Fowler.

So damn salty... Maatta we trusted, Pouliot we are trusting, Dumoulin has some trust... are you just high on Despres being the near perfect body size and dishing out hits?
- Guile

Dumo & Pouliout have already been offered up in so many trade scenarios on these boards that I dont see that level of trust. To me, Pouliot makes just as many mistakes as Despres did.

But you have a point with Maatta.

And I didnt really even care for Despres. I just think if youre going to go ahead and trade away young talent, you need to get more of a return. Trading for a guy we gave up two years ago that we didnt have the patience to wait for to mature is just stupid. And very ironic at that.

Dumo & Pouliout have already been offered up in so many trade scenarios on these boards that I dont see that level of trust. To me, Pouliot makes just as many mistakes as Despres did.

But you have a point with Maatta.

And I didnt really even care for Despres. I just think if youre going to go ahead and trade away young talent, you need to get more of a return. Trading for a guy we gave up two years ago that we didnt have the patience to wait for to mature is just stupid. And very ironic at that.
- thickman1178

So just re-acquire Despres in a few seasons when he's good.

First off, if we are down a goal, Despres or Lovejoy won't even be on the ice, it's going to be Letang and Martin.
- j.boyd919

Dont you lie to me. I remember seeing us down a goal with Scuds and Bortz out there.

Cam Fowler is a really awesome defender. He's better than Martin with a similar game but a better shot. He doesn't have a cannon and he's not a bruiser but for $4M I would be really happy with Cam Fowler.
- Johnny Wrath

I believe everybody has a better shot than Martin. I'm amazed he's as effect as he is with that weak shot

Dumo & Pouliout have already been offered up in so many trade scenarios on these boards that I dont see that level of trust. To me, Pouliot makes just as many mistakes as Despres did.

But you have a point with Maatta.

And I didnt really even care for Despres. I just think if youre going to go ahead and trade away young talent, you need to get more of a return. Trading for a guy we gave up two years ago that we didnt have the patience to wait for to mature is just stupid. And very ironic at that.
- thickman1178

I have tried to only offer up Harrington in trades, unless when bringing in a really good asset, then I will up it to Dumoulin.