It will never be a "loss" because the Sabres are going to be a good team with or without Kane, Myers Bogosian or anyone else involved.

That's kind of a cop out saying it doesn't matter what they do or don't do. So far Myers is producing at a rate that Kane wasn't even doing and Stafford is playing well in their top 6. Not to mention the 3 other pieces we handed them.

There is a very good chance we gave up the best player, along with 4 other pieces. If that ends up the case, we lost the trade.
- sbroads24

Your first sentence says it all. One GM got great value, the other got someone he really wanted

It will never be a "loss" because the Sabres are going to be a good team with or without Kane, Myers Bogosian or anyone else involved.

That's kind of a cop out saying it doesn't matter what they do or don't do. So far Myers is producing at a rate that Kane wasn't even doing and Stafford is playing well in their top 6. Not to mention the 3 other pieces we handed them.

There is a very good chance we gave up the best player, along with 4 other pieces. If that ends up the case, we lost the trade.
- sbroads24

"Good" isn't good enough. After the nightmare that has been the past three seasons, anything short of great is unacceptable. If neither team ends up great out of this trade, it means nothing to me.

"Good" isn't good enough. After the nightmare that has been the past three seasons, anything short of great is unacceptable. If neither team ends up great out of this trade, it means nothing to me.
- buffalofan19

Right but my point is that both teams are at an upward trajectory that most likely will end with both having at least the opportunity at cups.

I also wouldn't rule out WPG making a run this year. They have statistically been a top 5 team in the league over the last 20 games

Your first sentence says it all. One GM got great value, the other got someone he really wanted
- Sabresfan-365

I like the attitude of not worrying about what a player does after you trade him, but when you move 5 assets for 2, you'd like to think you got the best 2. It's not that way yet.

We more than likely lost the trade. Myers will shine and be what some on here always thought he could be. They got the best player in the trade. And an upgraded version of Weber "Bogs" is just ehhh to me.

Kane needs to net 30 and put up at least 60 for me to be happy with this trade.

Also i still cant believe that some people refuse to embrace the tank. I question whats going on in there head. Soooo close to the finish line and they want us to win games because they dont want a losing culture? Do they not get that over 50% of this roster will be gone for next season?

I like the attitude of not worrying about what a player does after you trade him, but when you move 5 assets for 2, you'd like to think you got the best 2. It's not that way yet.
- sbroads24

You can at least be fair and count the 3rd piece that Murray got. Not saying he'll ever be anything, but who's to say 3 of the non-NHLers Murray sent off will be either?

On an alternate topic, what is the consensus about Nolan, not sure I want Nolan anywhere near talented players like Eichel or McDavid, maybe Reinhart as well. I honestly don't know who would be better, Nolan scares me a little.

On an alternate topic, what is the consensus about Nolan, not sure I want Nolan anywhere near talented players like Eichel or McDavid, maybe Reinhart as well. I honestly don't know who would be better, Nolan scares me a little.
- MikeyOz

from an outside perspective, though i've always liked the sabres, i'd like to see what nolan can do with a developing team that isn't being somewhat sabotaged by management. sabres should have an exciting team moving forward, and if nolan isn't cutting it, he can always be cut loose.

Also i still cant believe that some people refuse to embrace the tank. I question whats going on in there head. Soooo close to the finish line and they want us to win games because they dont want a losing culture? Do they not get that over 50% of this roster will be gone for next season?
- Smittyx36

mceichel and reinhart aren't part of the tank, and they may be your most important pieces moving forward. i'm not a fan of tanking, but if there was a year to do it, this seems like it. murray is at least being somewhat smart about it. grabbing kane, at least in my opinion, was a smart move. besides that, too far into the tank to turn back now. you guys at least have solid d prospects, which is something the oilers are still lacking outside of nurse. (though i admit my oilers prospect knowledge is limited, at best)

from an outside perspective, though i've always liked the sabres, i'd like to see what nolan can do with a developing team that isn't being somewhat sabotaged by management. sabres should have an exciting team moving forward, and if nolan isn't cutting it, he can always be cut loose.
- docavalanche

Yeah I guess so, he just does not seem like a coach that can get the best of talented players or maybe clashes with the slightly more "ego" players. He seems to be able to take a bunch of limited skill players and discipline them into a team, did a good job with Latvia. I just don't seem him cutting it long term hope I am wrong though.

mceichel and reinhart aren't part of the tank, and they may be your most important pieces moving forward. i'm not a fan of tanking, but if there was a year to do it, this seems like it. murray is at least being somewhat smart about it. grabbing kane, at least in my opinion, was a smart move. besides that, too far into the tank to turn back now. you guys at least have solid d prospects, which is something the oilers are still lacking outside of nurse. (though i admit my oilers prospect knowledge is limited, at best)
- docavalanche

They maybe important but the surrounding players are going to be vitally important, those role players are highly underestimated. I think Kane is going to be a great addition. I am wary though of McDavid or Eichel being 1st line center for the Sabres next year. It would be nice to have another GOOD veteran center to take 1st line for a while. Kane with Eichel or McDavid sounds pretty freaking awesome though.

I like the attitude of not worrying about what a player does after you trade him, but when you move 5 assets for 2, you'd like to think you got the best 2. It's not that way yet.
- sbroads24

Yo I respect the hell out of u. I look foward to reading your post on here but I'm not sure how valuable armia, Lemieux, stafford and a late first are as assets.
they were easily expendable to us. A late 1st where we had 2 others. Pending Ufa stafford. Lemieux who was pulling a Shultz. Armia who is a long shot.

It will never be a "loss" because the Sabres are going to be a good team with or without Kane, Myers Bogosian or anyone else involved.

That's kind of a cop out saying it doesn't matter what they do or don't do. So far Myers is producing at a rate that Kane wasn't even doing and Stafford is playing well in their top 6. Not to mention the 3 other pieces we handed them.

There is a very good chance we gave up the best player, along with 4 other pieces. If that ends up the case, we lost the trade.
- sbroads24

I disagree. You don't lose a trade if the players you get perform. Even if the players you traded also perform. Not every trade has to have a winner and loser.

Yo I respect the hell out of u. I look foward to reading your post on here but I'm not sure how valuable armia, Lemieux, stafford and a late first are as assets.
they were easily expendable to us. A late 1st where we had 2 others. Pending Ufa stafford. Lemieux who was pulling a Shultz. Armia who is a long shot.
- joshs

This.

The trade is an excellent example of an economic theory called "marginal utility." Sometimes, an asset has lower value to its owner, despite the assets fair market value, because the owner just isn't able to use the asset in its own operation.

"The Amerks, surprisingly, have more than held their own since the NHL's March 2nd trade deadline when Buffalo GM Tim Murray moved three forwards from the roster."


The pissing contests I got into earlier today say you and me are wrong with this observation
- homiedclown

Theres been TWO games since the trade deadline.

They gave up 40 shots and lost in a SO, went 0-3 on the PP 2-3 on the PK.
They gave up 30 shots and won in regulation, went 0-2 on the PP 4-4 on the PK.

Your pissing contest argument said the team was playing better, they were doing better on special teams, and giving up less shots than before. 70 shots in two games and 0-5 on the PP... you were completely right.


Okay, im done with that... heres a new gif i think youd like:

Theres been TWO games since the trade deadline.

They gave up 40 shots and lost in a SO, went 0-3 on the PP 2-3 on the PK.
They gave up 30 shots and won in regulation, went 0-2 on the PP 4-4 on the PK.

Your pissing contest argument said the team was playing better, they were doing better on special teams, and giving up less shots than before. 70 shots in two games and 0-5 on the PP... you were completely right.


Okay, im done with that... heres a new gif i think youd like:

- theblueandgold

The guy in the background seems to appreciate theMascot's effort.

In plain English, the one who benefits the most is Myers. He finally has a coach that allows him to play his game.

In plain English, the one who benefits the most is Myers. He finally has a coach that allows him to play his game.
- sippyd

I'm just tired of efforts to evaluate a trade at a time when only one side has the primary piece active.

Of course Myers is outperformimg Kane now. I haven't paid any attention to Stafford since he left, but I'm happier with Bogosuan on the team than I was with Staff.

I'm genuinely happy to see that Myers is playing well in a new system, for two reasons: first, I always liked him and want to see him do well; second, more importantly, it shows our young talent can prosper when the deadweight of our current coaching staff are Removed.

I'm just tired of efforts to evaluate a trade at a time when only one side has the primary piece active.

Of course Myers is outperformimg Kane now. I haven't paid any attention to Stafford since he left, but I'm happier with Bogosuan on the team than I was with Staff.

I'm genuinely happy to see that Myers is playing well in a new system, for two reasons: first, I always liked him and want to see him do well; second, more importantly, it shows our young talent can prosper when the deadweight of our current coaching staff are Removed.
- Der Kaiser

And that sums it up perfectly.

Do you really beleive this tanking thing will work? Real fans only root for their team to win. (sarcasm font)
- Buffalo-Sabres

You're better than this post B-S.
I expect this type of post from people that can't comprehend that others have different philosophies in life.
I have not said I am better or that I am a real fan and you guys that embrace the tank aren't.
When you are an adult you indeed realize that people have different ideals and different philosophies when it comes to anything in life.
You don't make fun of them for it, but rather respect it like I am respecting your "tankers" point of view.
I certainly don't agree with it but I am not attacking you guys because I don't agree.
Forgive me for not following the herd but I can respect your reasons why you guys want this to happen and you should respect the reasons why I don't like the way we are arriving here.
If you are an adult, it's what you do.

You're better than this post B-S.
I expect this type of post from people that can't comprehend that others have different philosophies in life.
I have not said I am better or that I am a real fan and you guys that embrace the tank aren't.
When you are an adult you indeed realize that people have different ideals and different philosophies when it comes to anything in life.
You don't make fun of them for it, but rather respect it like I am respecting your "tankers" point of view.
I certainly don't agree with it but I am not attacking you guys because I don't agree.
Forgive me for not following the herd but I can respect your reasons why you guys want this to happen and you should respect the reasons why I don't like the way we are arriving here.
If you are an adult, it's what you do.
- BuffaloHardHat

Can you agree on one thing? They tried different ways for years and nothing worked. Having the money, all they could get was Leino. Shane Doan said "no". Richards wouldn't even talk to them. Ehrhoff wanted out as fast as he got here. With a super star on the roster, they may finally be able to sign quality free agents, or they maybe not be on their no trade list.

This.

The trade is an excellent example of an economic theory called "marginal utility." Sometimes, an asset has lower value to its owner, despite the assets fair market value, because the owner just isn't able to use the asset in its own operation.
- Der Kaiser

Wow Kaiser, not bad for a guy who knows nothink

Theres been TWO games since the trade deadline.

They gave up 40 shots and lost in a SO, went 0-3 on the PP 2-3 on the PK.
They gave up 30 shots and won in regulation, went 0-2 on the PP 4-4 on the PK.

Your pissing contest argument said the team was playing better, they were doing better on special teams, and giving up less shots than before. 70 shots in two games and 0-5 on the PP... you were completely right.


Okay, im done with that... heres a new gif i think youd like:

- theblueandgold

I guess losing streaks turn the creepy predator mascot on

Listen to the announcers explain that the "Players" know who the dangerous/feared players on the ice are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa2tJdtKQ-o

Buffalo Sabres : Hardest to play against team in the NHL!