Such a cop out. The back injury (which healed and isnt a prolonged problem) has nothing to do with how terrible he is.
- jak521

I disgree completely. Unless you've seen his medical records, you don't have any idea if it is a prolonged problem or not. He played well last year before the back injury. Since that, he's never been the same. I think you're dead wrong.

Whether you think his injury has been a source of lasting trouble or not, I think we can all agree: The day we're done seeing his stupid mopey face can't come soon enough.

james tanner
- conkey

tanner the james

Whether you think his injury has been a source of lasting trouble or not, I think we can all agree: The day we're done seeing his stupid mopey face can't come soon enough.
- BulliesPhan87

Whether you think his injury has been a source of lasting trouble or not, I think we can all agree: The day we're done seeing his stupid mopey face can't come soon enough.
- BulliesPhan87

Lol. (frank)ing Wilson

I don't want to just rehash past debates, and I don't want to give the impression that I think Chief's decisions are even a main reason this team is on the outside looking in. I do think his position is rightfully in question.
- BulliesPhan87

My position on Berube is, I don't think he deserves to be fired, but on the other hand, I don't think he has cemented his position either. Simply because when a team underacheives, and plays with the amount of inconsistency that this team has played, with, changes have to be made. One of those potential changes is with the coaching staff.

I don't want to just rehash past debates, and I don't want to give the impression that I think Chief's decisions are even a main reason this team is on the outside looking in. I do think his position is rightfully in question.
- BulliesPhan87

Certainly. There are just so many questionable things going on. Players typically flourish under good coaches... so many players I feel have regressed. Thats not completely on a coach, but good coaches get the best out of their players.

His handling of the lines, and especially of Mason have been troubling at best.

I disgree completely. Unless you've seen his medical records, you don't have any idea if it is a prolonged problem or not. He played well last year before the back injury. Since that, he's never been the same. I think you're dead wrong.
- MJL

Wait.. weren't you(or someone was) the one saying that since Mason is playing and has been cleared by the medical staff, his injury must be absolutely fine? But now you're saying that Lecavalier might have a lingering problem that is affecting his ability to play. Can't we use the same argument then that since Lecavalier is cleared to play, and he is sucking, that he just sucks?

Certainly. There are just so many questionable things going on. Players typically flourish under good coaches... so many players I feel have regressed. Thats not completely on a coach, but good coaches get the best out of their players.

His handling of the lines, and especially of Mason have been troubling at best.
- jak521

How specifically, has his handling of his lines been troubling, and what should he have doen differently in that aspect?

Whether you think his injury has been a source of lasting trouble or not, I think we can all agree: The day we're done seeing his stupid mopey face can't come soon enough.
- BulliesPhan87

rofl

Hextall signs Danick Martel

I disgree completely. Unless you've seen his medical records, you don't have any idea if it is a prolonged problem or not. He played well last year before the back injury. Since that, he's never been the same. I think you're dead wrong.
- MJL

It was like 11 (frank)ing games that he played "well" in.

He had a spondylolisthesis. If it was a chronic listhesis he would have had it surgically corrected because it pretty much impossible to live with... He has lost a step. He was losing a step before he got here. He continued that it rapid fashion.

Unless you have seen his medical records, you have no idea of whether or not this is the reason he is struggling.

Wait.. weren't you(or someone was) the one saying that since Mason is playing and has been cleared by the medical staff, his injury must be absolutely fine? But now you're saying that Lecavalier might have a lingering problem that is affecting his ability to play. Can't we use the same argument then that since Lecavalier is cleared to play, and he is sucking, that he just sucks?
- WarriorHockey21

Mason's knee will never be 100%. There is a big difference between being medically cleared to play, coming off of a short term injury, versus having a physical issue where the body is breaking down, contributing to a player declining as a player.

Hextall signs Danick Martel
- mydoglicks

mdl my man how you holdin up

My position on Berube is, I don't think he deserves to be fired, but on the other hand, I don't think he has cemented his position either. Simply because when a team underacheives, and plays with the amount of inconsistency that this team has played, with, changes have to be made. One of those potential changes is with the coaching staff.
- MJL

I don't mean to be facetious with that post, to be clear. I don't think he's an outright bad coach, but I do think he's made his share of questionable decisions, and as you said (albeit in different words) coaching is often held accountable for when the team shows up not ready to play as often as the Flyers have.

How specifically, has his handling of his lines been troubling, and what should he have doen differently in that aspect?
- MJL

Because Zac Rinaldo has been a top 6 forward more often than the oft healthy scratched Vincent Lecavlier. That in itself says enough.

It was like 11 (frank)ing games that he played "well" in.

He had a spondylolisthesis. If it was a chronic listhesis he would have had it surgically corrected because it pretty much impossible to live with... He has lost a step. He was losing a step before he got here. He continued that it rapid fashion.

Unless you have seen his medical records, you have no idea of whether or not this is the reason he is struggling.
- jak521

It was far more then 11 games that he played well in. I don't need to see his medical records. I can clearly see how his game deteriorated since that back injury, and he never got back to where he was before the injury. It's not the only reason, but it's certainly a part of it.

Because Zac Rinaldo has been a top 6 forward more often than the oft healthy scratched Vincent Lecavlier. That in itself says enough.
- jak521

How many games has Zac Rinaldo been a top 6 forward? Like I asked, explain how his line decisions have been suspect, and what would you have done differently?

I don't mean to be facetious with that post, to be clear. I don't think he's an outright bad coach, but I do think he's made his share of questionable decisions, and as you said (albeit in different words) coaching is often held accountable for when the team shows up not ready to play as often as the Flyers have.
- BulliesPhan87

I have not been on the "IT'S ALL CHIEF'S FAULT" bandwagon, but I could easily see Hextall going in another direction not just for what you said, but just to see if another coach can get more out of BSchenn and Sean Couturier.

It was far more then 11 games that he played well in. I don't need to see his medical records. I can clearly see how his game deteriorated since that back injury, and he never got back to where he was before the injury. It's not the only reason, but it's certainly a part of it.
- MJL

So you are certain that his back (which is healed) is still bothering him?

How many games has Zac Rinaldo been a top 6 forward? Like I asked, explain how his line decisions have been suspect, and what would you have done differently?
- MJL

There have been many things that I find questionable. You may not. Thats cool with me. You also fancy MacDonald as a bonefide top 4 d-man. I do not. We just differ. Its cool.

foles to the rams for sam bradford

So you are certain that his back (which is healed) is still bothering him?
- jak521

I'm certain that he does not have his core under him, and his skating is affected, and he lacks any kind of explosiveness to his game. Before the back injury, he was still able to make some power moves, go hard to the net, and was better able to shoot the puck. Since the back injury his game has rapidly deteriorated.

Are you certain that his back doesn't bother him and isn't affecting his game?

I have not been on the "IT'S ALL CHIEF'S FAULT" bandwagon, but I could easily see Hextall going in another direction not just for what you said, but just to see if another coach can get more out of BSchenn and Sean Couturier.
- johndewar

The one thing I had hoped to see with Laviolette being relieved was at least slightly more balanced usage for Couturier's line. It hasn't happened. Obviously Sean has to be responsible for growing his offensive game, but once again we hear the organization say they'll try to grow his game, then stick him in the same situation.

foles to the rams for sam bradford
- hogweed

wip must be giddy as hell this week....