Here is the issue. During the off season, there is no LTIR, so Pronger counts in full on the cap, with no exemption. The cap is rumored to be somewhere between 70-73M. The off season exemption to go over the cap is 10%. So let's say for conversation, the cap is 71M. That gives you a cushion of 7.1M to go over during the off season. Pronger's cap hit is 4.921M. They already have about 800K that they used for players on two way contracts, that they called up this year. Off season cap rules state that all players on one way contracts count in full, and players on two way contracts count in proportion to the number of days spent on the NHL roster. The more players you call up, the more you have to account for in the off season, limiting your maneuverabiity.

Right now, Pronger's cap his plus the call ups amounts to 5,721,000 of the hypothetical 7.1M off season exemption
- MJL

30 days of Straka comes out to what, ~$150k? Cousins for 30 is about $130k.

~$280k off the offseason cap (that they probably won't need, since I doubt Hexy goes nuts on July 1 anyway) seems like a small price to pay to see what these kids got, IMO.

Ooooo, a "battle" between two non-playoff teams. Look at me on the edge of my seat with anticipation.
- Scoob

15+ games to go, playing out the string. Pretty sad. All about the draft now.

Ooooo, a "battle" between two non-playoff teams. Look at me on the edge of my seat with anticipation.
- Scoob

Maybe Rinaldo can try to beat his old record of 17 PIM for jumping Antoine Roussell. Throw in a rough, maybe a cross check or 2, add a 10-minute misconduct to his game misconduct...should be good to go.

30 days of Straka comes out to what, ~$150k? Cousins for 30 is about $130k.

~$280k off the offseason cap (that they probably won't need, since I doubt Hexy goes nuts on July 1 anyway) seems like a small price to pay to see what these kids got, IMO.
- Tomahawk

Have more evaluating to do with Rinaldo, Umberger, and VLC. These players are just scratching the surface.

Ooooo, a "battle" between two non-playoff teams. Look at me on the edge of my seat with anticipation.
- Scoob

It's the epic battle for 8th-overall... bragging rights at the draft, man.

Is morin or any other kids likely to get some games in at the end of the year?

Have more evaluating to do with Rinaldo, Umberger, and VLC. These players are just scratching the surface.
- PLindbergh31

All about patience and really giving them a chance to be the players they were meant to be...

Is morin or any other kids likely to get some games in at the end of the year?
- Just5

Probably not. Rimouski and Calgary are PO teams, and the Phantoms season might be over by the time Morin/Sanheim become available for ATO.

Is morin or any other kids likely to get some games in at the end of the year?
- Just5

Morin's team is currently tied for top spot in the QMJHL, so it's somewhat unlikely his season would end and he'd sign an ATO by the end of the NHL regular season (QMJHL regular season concludes 03/21). Flyers have 2 games after that in March and 6 in April. If his team loses in the first round, he could maybe play in the last 3.

The Phantoms play until April 19th, and have 7 games past April 5th, so I think he'd have a better shot at signing an ATO to play a few games in Lehigh Valley.

Playing Vinny at this point of the season is utterly pointless. Where was he when we were fighting for a playoff spot? Why play him now?
- GOA88

How is playing Vinny anymore pointless then playing anyone else in the line up if we're not making the playoffs? I'm sorry, I'm not trying to attack you but this doesn't make sense.

This Phantoms playoff race is a myth. They are 12th in a 15 team conference. They suck too!!!! Yippppeeeee!!!!!!
- PLindbergh31

Homer resembles this remark

How is playing Vinny anymore pointless then playing anyone else in the line up if we're not making the playoffs? I'm sorry, I'm not trying to attack you but this doesn't make sense.
- SuperSchennBros

Gotta play somebody. I'd actually argue that they SHOULD play VLC and try giving him top-6 minutes to see if they can squeeze any life out of him and maybe make him SOMEWHAT attractive.

Morin's team is currently tied for top spot in the QMJHL, so it's somewhat unlikely his season would end and he'd sign an ATO by the end of the NHL regular season (QMJHL regular season concludes 03/21). Flyers have 2 games after that in March and 6 in April. If his team loses in the first round, he could maybe play in the last 3.

The Phantoms play until April 19th, and have 7 games past April 5th, so I think he'd have a better shot at signing an ATO to play a few games in Lehigh Valley.
- jmatchett383

Thanks. Great. Now I'm regretting the tix I bought for the last week against the isles. Oh well the wife can get stupid cheese fries

Gotta play somebody. I'd actually argue that they SHOULD play VLC and try giving him top-6 minutes to see if they can squeeze any life out of him and maybe make him SOMEWHAT attractive.
- jmatchett383

I honestly think playing him makes things worse in regard to trade value

I honestly think playing him makes things worse in regard to trade value
- PhillySportsGuy

Is that possible?

Gotta play somebody. I'd actually argue that they SHOULD play VLC and try giving him top-6 minutes to see if they can squeeze any life out of him and maybe make him SOMEWHAT attractive.
- jmatchett383

wish they would just try that

I honestly think playing him makes things worse in regard to trade value
- PhillySportsGuy

Way more upside to playing him than not playing him.

Is that possible?
- jmatchett383

would you rather have a guy who wasn't given a chance or a guy who was given every chance and failed?

Problem is, finding a taker for him without retaining too much salary. Sounds like the few that were willing to take him last year wanted the Flyers to retain too much, which wouldn't help them out at all.

I don't get the Rinaldo thing though either. Some people are saying it's an even swap back and forth in the lineup... but at least Vinny plays with his head on straight and tries to hustle. With White being there and playing his role well, I would be fine with Vinny staying in the lineup.
- WarriorHockey21

Agreed. I like Vinny but I more then understand that he's not carrying his weight. Most of these issues are on him but even when he does play well, he's not advancing up in the line up with the support of the coaching staff.

It isn't an even flip between Lecavalier and Rinaldo in the line up. Lecavalier averages 13 minutes of ice time on the fourth line with 17 points on the season, plus can actually be an effective Power Play guy. Rinaldo plays 8 minutes, has two assists and does nothing but hit. Lecavalier at times has earned a chance to earn his pay by playing with better players but Berube won't allow it.

Gotta play somebody. I'd actually argue that they SHOULD play VLC and try giving him top-6 minutes to see if they can squeeze any life out of him and maybe make him SOMEWHAT attractive.
- jmatchett383

I wish they would at least try this. If Lecavalier is nothing else, he's at least a shooter and a damn good one. We don't have a single guy with a natural hard and accurate shot. I'd call Voracek more of a playmaker and Simmonds more of a net front presence.

Gotta play somebody. I'd actually argue that they SHOULD play VLC and try giving him top-6 minutes to see if they can squeeze any life out of him and maybe make him SOMEWHAT attractive.
- jmatchett383

Right. I don't know what they're trying to do with him. Hell, let him play wing with Giroux and Voracek and see what happens.

9:30am and I'm already drinking, I love Key West!!
- BiggE

welcome back to Florida where the weather and water is beautiful and the white man is a minority

Am still hoping the Flyers make the playoffs... Pitt/Flyers series and my Rangers/Flyers series are always great.

Am still hoping the Flyers make the playoffs... Pitt/Flyers series and my Rangers/Flyers series are always great.

Is morin or any other kids likely to get some games in at the end of the year?
- Just5

Morin would be allowed to come up if his season was over if I am not mistaken. Otherwise it would be an emergency situation only. I could be wrong.


edit: weigh Leight