Being at a position of a major advantage by having two firsts in a deep draft. It's a grest mindset to go with the best player available but with that second pick in the first round, draft at a position of need. I think this franchise needs to stop trying to turn centers into wingers.
- SuperSchennBros

Agreed

Agreed
- BiggE

With what I've said up above, I'd love to move up in the draft.

I get your point. Obviously this organization is in dire need of a #1. but those 2 were #1 and #2 overall. Looking at the #8-12 slot if the two players on your board were deemed equal I would go forward.
- nastyflyergirl

I'm not questioning your decision or trying to make a point - I definitely understand your thinking - I was only curious how you would've leaned in that particular instance.

how about its one of them, and the other player has to be someone else. Letang/maatta?
- stayinthefnnet

I wouldn't.

I do not believe this Flyers team would be deeper or better off with Crosby + Letang vs Giroux, Voracek and 2 first round picks.

As good as I think Crosby is and i think he is the best player in the world I just don't think that deal gets the Flyers any closer to a cup because you have just reduced the depth on your team significantly.

With what I've said up above, I'd love to move up in the draft.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm fine with picking 7th or 8th which is where I think they will be. I wouldn't mind trying to move the Tampa pick into the top 12 though.

Being at a position of a major advantage by having two firsts in a deep draft, it's a great mindset to go with the best player available but with that second pick in the first round, draft at a position of need. I think this franchise needs to stop trying to turn centers into wingers.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't think they necessarily draft centers to turn them into wingers, sometimes it's just to get a talented player on the ice where he can be useful. Giroux was a winger as a junior as an example. Conversely, Gagne was a center in junior who became a pretty good winger.

Me? I'm tired of selecting 3rd line checking centers.

ehhh I still think that's a stretch. You can throw doughty on the ice for half the game, but other defenders have to play other half... and we still have awful defensemen even if we did have doughty lol
- benjichronic

I don't see it that way. I don't think the Flyers defenseman are awful. Not even close. You add a player like Doughty to the mix, and it's pretty solid. The entire issue with this team is that they don't have a number one pair. Play better as a team, and add a player like Doughty, which I know is fantasy, and this team would be significantly better.

yeah, but i think you would see such a difference simply through the slotting and minutes getting cut for other guys.

all of a sudden, maybe amac, or whoever, doesnt get as many tough minutes. (i know people on here debate that he does or doesnt already haha but thats not really my point)

regardless, i think it would have a trickle down effect throughout the entire defense, as well as the offense through better transitions and entries.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree totally.

Dude we have no idea if these guys can even transfer their skills to the NHL, how could you assign them specific D levels like that? I've heard plenty of people that claim Sanheim and Morin could be #1s, and that Hagg could be a #2.
- JAKEw1234

Here's a bit of a story to help illustrate your point: LA took Doughty, Teubert, Forbort and Hickey with top-15 picks within a 4-year span.

- Teubert is out of the league,
- Hickey was claimed off waivers by the Isles (starting to play well),
- Forbort hasn't played an NHL game 5-years since he was drafted,
- Doughty led them to a Stanley Cup.

You just never know how it's gonna shake out, and even if most of the guys you take don't work out, the one that does could be a grand slam.

Being at the 8th spot in the draft as it stands, who should the Flyers be interested in so far? Are we set at defense in terms of prospects?

Would you move up if possible? Will Edmonton make their first/second overall pick available? Edmonton is the only team who's had one opportunity after another to turn around their franchise like the Islanders and Lightning.

6'5 natural winger Jordan Greenway is interesting to me. Not only is he big but he's a great skater and based on what I'm reading, strong along the walls.
- SuperSchennBros

No such thing as set in prospects, IMO. Always draft BPA in the first round.

Flyers should only move up if there is someone they covet whom they consider to have considerably higher upside than the other options if they don't believe that player will be there to take. If it's a shade of difference in the respective evaluations, which is usually the case, there is no need to move up.

No such thing as set in prospects, IMO. Always draft BPA in the first round.

Flyers should only move up if there is someone they covet whom they consider to have considerably higher upside than the other options if they don't believe that player will be there to take. If it's a shade of difference in the respective evaluations, which is usually the case, there is no need to move up.
- bmeltzer

Unless #2 passes on Eichel for some crazy reason, I'm staying put at #7-9. 3-10+ are all quality players of equal upside... might not get the pick of the litter, but IMO it's not worth trading good assets to get to do that.

Dude we have no idea if these guys can even transfer their skills to the NHL, how could you assign them specific D levels like that? I've heard plenty of people that claim Sanheim and Morin could be #1s, and that Hagg could be a #2.
- JAKEw1234

Not sure what you're laughing at. You basically further articulated my point against the prior poster who said we might have enough D prospect depth already. I didn't say Sanhiem is a surefire 2 or Ghost is a surefire 3. But most scouts tend to agree that is where they top their potential out at.

My point was if that is where the scouts see these guys projecting and you're in position to draft another guy that projects to be a 1 or 2 then yeah, go ahead and take him.

Unless #2 passes on Eichel for some crazy reason, I'm staying put at #7-9. 3-10+ are all quality players of equal upside... might not get the pick of the litter, but IMO it's not worth trading good assets to get to do that.
- Tomahawk

If someone is going to fall a few spots in this draft I think its Hanifin. Crouse could go to a team like Arizona. There is certainly a need for Centers among a lot of these lotto teams as well. Who knows tho. If Carolina picks 3rd then they'll probably draft Hanifin without hesitation.

I wouldn't.

I do not believe this Flyers team would be deeper or better off with Crosby + Letang vs Giroux, Voracek and 2 first round picks.

As good as I think Crosby is and i think he is the best player in the world I just don't think that deal gets the Flyers any closer to a cup because you have just reduced the depth on your team significantly.
- opeth_pa

totally understandable. i dont think i would be able to pull the trigger from either perspective myself.

always like some new points of view though.

Unless #2 passes on Eichel for some crazy reason, I'm staying put at #7-9. 3-10+ are all quality players of equal upside... might not get the pick of the litter, but IMO it's not worth trading good assets to get to do that.
- Tomahawk

i understand all the love eichel has been getting, especially here in the US.

but realistically, how good are people projecting him to be? what do you consider the gap to be from mcdavid or eichel?

i understand these are imperfect comparisons, but where does it fall between say OV/malkin's draft year, or say crosby/bobby ryan?

Not sure what you're laughing at. You basically further articulated my point against the prior poster who said we might have enough D prospect depth already. I didn't say Sanhiem is a surefire 2 or Ghost is a surefire 3. But most scouts tend to agree that is where they top their potential out at.

My point was if that is where the scouts see these guys projecting and you're in position to draft another guy that projects to be a 1 or 2 then yeah, go ahead and take him.
- hereticpride

I could be wrong, but I think the Flyers feel that Sanheim has the potential to be a #1 defenseman.

If someone is going to fall a few spots in this draft I think its Hanifin. Crouse could go to a team like Arizona. There is certainly a need for Centers among a lot of these lotto teams as well. Who knows tho. If Carolina picks 3rd then they'll probably draft Hanifin without hesitation.
- hereticpride

Draft order is still up in the air... could still see guys like Boeser and Meier crack the top-10 (like Provorov has), and more guys like Kylington dropping out.

Unless #2 passes on Eichel for some crazy reason, I'm staying put at #7-9. 3-10+ are all quality players of equal upside... might not get the pick of the litter, but IMO it's not worth trading good assets to get to do that.
- Tomahawk

I think Edmonton is an interesting situation. I think they'll pick but nothing has changed their position in the league. Maybe setting a different course by either trading the pick might be the way to go. I think they should trade Eberle because he's not a 6 million dollar player and I think they should trade Yakupov because they don't seem happy with his production. I think Edmonton should explore options and I think we should pay close attention.

i understand all the love eichel has been getting, especially here in the US.

but realistically, how good are people projecting him to be? what do you consider the gap to be from mcdavid or eichel?

i understand these are imperfect comparisons, but where does it fall between say OV/malkin's draft year, or say crosby/bobby ryan?
- stayinthefnnet

It's like the gap between Malkin and Sid... it's not that big, but clearly one guy is better most of the time.

This draft is like if Sid and OV were slated to go #1 and #2.

I could be wrong, but I think the Flyers feel that Sanheim has the potential to be a #1 defenseman.
- MJL

I think they should feel this way. Ob18 seems to have kept the closest eye on him but it would it would seem he has all the tools to become one.

One thing I noticed about Jay Bouwmeester is, although he's lost that offensive production, at least he's still a good defensive defenseman. If everyone is happy with what Travis Sanheim can do in his own end, the rest is gravy.

I could be wrong, but I think the Flyers feel that Sanheim has the potential to be a #1 defenseman.
- MJL

They do. So does at least one other NHL team. Some months back, when Sanheim was in the midst of a scorching hot streak -- both offensively and defensively -- that lasted about a dozen games, an NHL scout with whom I correspond compared Sanheim to Duncan Keith at the same age. THAT was an eye-opener.

With that said, Sanheim still has a lot of filling out and developing to go, but his rate of improvement from year-to-year over the last two seasons has been very encouraging.

http://www.broadstreethoc...no-talent-flyers-penguins


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They do. So does at least one other NHL team. Some months back, when Sanheim was in the midst of a scorching hot streak -- both offensively and defensively -- that lasted about a dozen games, an NHL scout with whom I correspond compared Sanheim to Duncan Keith at the same age. THAT was an eye-opener.

With that said, Sanheim still has a lot of filling out and developing to go, but his rate of improvement from year-to-year over the last two seasons has been very encouraging.
- bmeltzer

He's just a very smart kid.....above average skating and great size with room to fill out....just a great prospect. Great potential to be a top pairing d man.

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- MBFlyerfan

No worries.

By the time Sanheim is roving the Flyers' blueline, BSchenn will be long gone

Guelph vs Kitchener on the NHL Network at 7:30