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GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Mar 13 @ 9:43 AM ET
Yeah, the Flyers forwards and defense watched.
- PLindbergh31

Damn
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Mar 13 @ 9:43 AM ET
I'd prefer they do the 4v4/3v3 thing as well.

But last night, they could have saved the players a lot of wear and tear and just done a shootout at 8:05 EST and everyone would have gotten home earlier. because that's basically what it boiled down to. No goals were scored, but we need a "winner" and that is apparently the only way to do it.

- jmatchett383


They should do a 10 minute 4v4, then a 5 minute 3v3, and if that doesn't decide it, then a shootout. I kinda like the shootouts, I do think it's kind of a gimmick and a b.s. way to end a game in some situations like last night as you mentioned earlier, but I like the aspect of pure skill, one on one with the goalie.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:45 AM ET
Sadly, I did. Got good in the third period actually
- PhillySportsGuy

please help us rally, oh captain of the thread
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 13 @ 9:45 AM ET
This is probably a dumb question, but has a goalie ever worn the C or the A?

As for the Asbee trophy I would give it to Mason as well. You can make a case for Voracek too.

- MatveiDmitrii


Bobby Lu was captain of the Canucks for two seasons but it technically wasn't allowed.


edit: WEIGH LEIGHT
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:50 AM ET
I'd prefer they do the 4v4/3v3 thing as well.

But last night, they could have saved the players a lot of wear and tear and just done a shootout at 8:05 EST and everyone would have gotten home earlier. because that's basically what it boiled down to. No goals were scored, but we need a "winner" and that is apparently the only way to do it.

- jmatchett383


Yup, predominantly a hockey and soccer problem...scoring is typically at a premium and you have a dude specifically assigned to keeping the object of choice out of the money area. I guess lacrosse doesn't really have that issue cause it's such a small field?

That's was such an exciting tie said nobody ever.



psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Mar 13 @ 9:50 AM ET
Goalie coach, not head coach.

The article is misleading to drum up this type of response. Here's the original article.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...lyers-goalie-coach-search

A goalie coach serves two functions: He works on technical aspects of his client’s game. During the season, goaltenders see their game go sideways and he brings them back in line.

Yet just as important is he also serves as a confidante. The last resort. Someone to lean on heavily when times are bad.

Which is why Mason hopes to have a voice in the discussion.

“Yeah, obviously, because it’s such an individual position, you want to be comfortable with somebody,” Mason said.

- jmatchett383

I know its a goalie coach. It is still the ultimate decision of the GM though.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 13 @ 9:53 AM ET
I know its a goalie coach. It is still the ultimate decision of the GM though.
- psuhockey



Of course it is, but you aren't going to hire a coach who cant get along with the two players he is responsible for. You aren't going to hire a coach who cant teach and train the two guys he is responsible for.

Of course he should have input in to who the coach is.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:53 AM ET
I know its a goalie coach. It is still the ultimate decision of the GM though.
- psuhockey


It may not hurt to have the possible candidates meet with the goalies that will be on this team, but to give them say of who they end up selecting I don't know.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 13 @ 9:55 AM ET
I know its a goalie coach. It is still the ultimate decision of the GM though.
- psuhockey


Yes, ultimately it is. But the original linked article implies the head coach, which is very misleading.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:55 AM ET
And yet, history has shown that it does

Not arguing with you today. Not in the mood

- AllInForFlyers



History shows us a lot of things, including that there are no absolutes. Top players have produced at high levels on bad teams in the history of the NHL
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 9:56 AM ET
I actually think B.Schenn and a 1st rd pick would get us in the 3-5 pick range.
- GOA88

Doubt it
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 13 @ 9:56 AM ET
Yup, predominantly a hockey and soccer problem...scoring is typically at a premium and you have a dude specifically assigned to keeping the object of choice out of the money area. I guess lacrosse doesn't really have that issue cause it's such a small field?

That's was such an exciting tie said nobody ever.


- wolfhounds


Agreed, a few minutes of players lazily skating in uncontested is what I will gladly watch 3 hours of and spend good money to see. I sure do love the All Star game too, it's almost as riveting.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:56 AM ET
Wants a say in the hiring of a coach. Called out his teammates two games ago. He's playing great but that's a little ballsy for a guy who's career was in shambles a few seasons ago.
- psuhockey


Yup. I like it. And comebacks are one of the greatest things in sports. Also, the career in shambles thing should be a very real consideration for the Flyers when deciding how much say Mason has in the next goalie coach because part of the reason his career rebounded here was the relationship between him and Reese. You clearly want a guy Mason approves of and gets along with, or maybe his game regresses. And then Hexy should punch himself in the face a half dozen times for firing Reese (or at least not being manager enough to retain him as coach).
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 13 @ 9:57 AM ET
Of course it is, but you aren't going to hire a coach who cant get along with the two players he is responsible for. You aren't going to hire a coach who cant teach and train the two guys he is responsible for.

Of course he should have input in to who the coach is.

- MBFlyerfan


Bryz can be the goalie coach.

"You heff to imagine player as bear. Don't let bear into your universe. Stop bear its that easy. Why you heff to make it hard?"
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 9:57 AM ET
They should give it to Timonen on the 25th. A little early, but he didn't have any screwups while a member of the team.
- tangent_man

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:57 AM ET
Gretzky in LA vs Gretzky in Edmonton...Case closed.
- PhillaBully



Wayne Gretzky had season point totals of 168, 142, 163,121, and 130 playiing in LA.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 13 @ 9:57 AM ET
Doubt it
- BiggE


Yeah,in what's regarded as the deepest draft in 12 years, I think you'd have to replace BSchenn with one of Simmonds/Couturier and replace TB's 1st with our 1st.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:58 AM ET
I actually think B.Schenn and a 1st rd pick would get us in the 3-5 pick range.
- GOA88


I don't. Keep the picks as they are & if they are able to get more consider it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:59 AM ET
They should do a 10 minute 4v4, then a 5 minute 3v3, and if that doesn't decide it, then a shootout. I kinda like the shootouts, I do think it's kind of a gimmick and a b.s. way to end a game in some situations like last night as you mentioned earlier, but I like the aspect of pure skill, one on one with the goalie.
- benjichronic



The Season is long enough at 82 games, even longer for teams that make a deep playoff run. That would be extending the game by 10 minutes. It's too much in my opinion.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
Teams that get outplayed often win games on fluky bounces, missed calls, the powerplay and/or strong goal-tending.

I wouldn't mind the NHL going from 4v4 to 3v3 to decide the game. And I think OT games automatically becoming 3 point affairs is a problem, but I doubt that gets resolved any time soon.

The shootout is a bad way to decide a game, but I'll take that over a tie any day.

- wolfhounds


5V5 5min OT -> end of game

(nothing wrong w/ kissing the sister)
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
Agreed, a few minutes of players lazily skating in uncontested is what I will gladly watch 3 hours of and spend good money to see. I sure do love the All Star game too, it's almost as riveting.
- jmatchett383


You prefer 3 hours and good money to watch something with no winner, without anything being decided at all?

I remember leaving those games in the mid-80s when my dad would take me to the Spectrum and, as a kid, thinking why did I just sit through that boring ass crap? I should have been home playing wiffle ball with my friends where we know how to decide who wins and who loses, and then we go swimming and eat pizza.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
The Season is long enough at 82 games, even longer for teams that make a deep playoff run. That would be extending the game by 10 minutes. It's too much in my opinion.
- MJL


Which is likely akin to what they said when a 5-minute OT was introduced in 1983.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 13 @ 10:01 AM ET
Wayne Gretzky had season point totals of 168, 142, 163,121, and 130 playiing in LA.
- MJL


Compared to 212, 196, 205, 208, 215, 183 in EDM
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 13 @ 10:01 AM ET
Gretzky in LA vs Gretzky in Edmonton...Case closed.
- PhillaBully






I'm looking at the case, and it is still sitting there wide open with its contents strewn all over the floor and and a little dog tearing up the doll the guy bought in the airport for his daughter.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 13 @ 10:01 AM ET
The Season is long enough at 82 games, even longer for teams that make a deep playoff run. That would be extending the game by 10 minutes. It's too much in my opinion.
- MJL

imo the season should probably be a little shorter anyway, but that will literally never happen.
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