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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:18 PM ET
My wife has more words than that
- nails


Oh, my wife would have all sorts of words. A good third of them would start with F
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:28 PM ET
My wife is a doc with a lot of experience in physical rehab. If he was scoped to remove cartridge from his knee he would absolutely have had range of motion and swelling issues for quite some time after the procedure. "quite some time" varies from person to person. A pro athlete would heal quicker than us hockeybuzzers but he was put into action really soon afterwards and it's legitimate to question that.
He can be 100% recovered but, as he ages he will experience discomfort and range of motion loss. but for now, with proper recovery time and rehab he should be 100%.

- Briere


There's a high probability that every team has numerous players that are playing despite not being 100%. Being able to play isn't the same as being 100%.

It's really no surprise given how quickly Mason returned, combined with the hectic schedule, that he's still feeling pain and doesn't feel 100%.

Given that the Flyers are basically playing out the string, more judicious use of their starting goalie might be prudent. The risk of re-injury is probably no higher than that of a guy who had never been hurt, but if they can do something to help him get healthier, why not get a jump on it?

I mean, it's admirable that they say they still are trying to make the playoffs, but there's a difference between a slight longshot and pissing into the wind.
Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Mar 18 @ 8:37 PM ET
There's a high probability that every team has numerous players that are playing despite not being 100%. Being able to play isn't the same as being 100%.

It's really no surprise given how quickly Mason returned, combined with the hectic schedule, that he's still feeling pain and doesn't feel 100%.

Given that the Flyers are basically playing out the string, more judicious use of their starting goalie might be prudent. The risk of re-injury is probably no higher than that of a guy who had never been hurt, but if they can do something to help him get healthier, why not get a jump on it?

I mean, it's admirable that they say they still are trying to make the playoffs, but there's a difference between a slight longshot and pissing into the wind.

- Jsaquella


How quickly did he play after being scoped? Like a week or two?
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:40 PM ET
There's a high probability that every team has numerous players that are playing despite not being 100%. Being able to play isn't the same as being 100%.

It's really no surprise given how quickly Mason returned, combined with the hectic schedule, that he's still feeling pain and doesn't feel 100%.

Given that the Flyers are basically playing out the string, more judicious use of their starting goalie might be prudent. The risk of re-injury is probably no higher than that of a guy who had never been hurt, but if they can do something to help him get healthier, why not get a jump on it?

I mean, it's admirable that they say they still are trying to make the playoffs, but there's a difference between a slight longshot and pissing into the wind.

- Jsaquella


You feel pain, you believe your mended knee isn't 100%, you tend to favor it. That's a recipe for further problems.

You come off a meniscus surgery, you're supposed to rehabilitate the injured knee and your confidence in it by building up the supporting muscles around it. Not much of a chance of that happening by continually throwing him in the fire.

For who? For what?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 8:40 PM ET
My wife is a doc with a lot of experience in physical rehab. If he was scoped to remove cartridge from his knee he would absolutely have had range of motion and swelling issues for quite some time after the procedure. "quite some time" varies from person to person. A pro athlete would heal quicker than us hockeybuzzers but he was put into action really soon afterwards and it's legitimate to question that.
He can be 100% recovered but, as he ages he will experience discomfort and range of motion loss. but for now, with proper recovery time and rehab he should be 100%.

- Briere


I found the same information on line. Anyone can question it, but unless the facts are known, I don't think it's fair to criticize the situation. The Flyers employ 4 MD's including two Orthopedic surgeons. I don't believe that they would clear Mason to play, if he shouldn't have been playing.
With a piece of his meniscus removed from his knee, it's never going to be 100%. And he's likely always going to have some level of discomfort.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:42 PM ET
How quickly did he play after being scoped? Like a week or two?
- Briere


16 days. Got 'scoped on February 10th. Went in in relief on February 26th
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:47 PM ET
You feel pain, you believe your mended knee isn't 100%, you tend to favor it. That's a recipe for further problems.

You come off a meniscus surgery, you're supposed to rehabilitate the injured knee and your confidence in it by building up the supporting muscles around it. Not much of a chance of that happening by continually throwing him in the fire.

For who? For what?

- 77rams


Agreed. I have not really considered the possibility of a compensatory injury-i.e. overtaxing another area to compensate for the knee pain.

I can understand him being cleared and being willing to play, and even with the limited chance at a playoff berth prior to the Boston and NJ losses, playing him.

But now, 10 points out with ten games left? No need to risk anything further. He's had a back injury to go along with the knee. if he plays great, they still are unlikely to make the playoffs.

77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:49 PM ET
Agreed. I have not really considered the possibility of a compensatory injury-i.e. overtaxing another area to compensate for the knee pain.

I can understand him being cleared and being willing to play, and even with the limited chance at a playoff berth prior to the Boston and NJ losses, playing him.

But now, 10 points out with ten games left? No need to risk anything further. He's had a back injury to go along with the knee. if he plays great, they still are unlikely to make the playoffs.

- Jsaquella


Yep.

We tend to forget his back woes. They just don't magically disappear overnight either.


Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Mar 18 @ 8:51 PM ET
I found the same information on line. Anyone can question it, but unless the facts are known, I don't think it's fair to criticize the situation. The Flyers employ 4 MD's including two Orthopedic surgeons. I don't believe that they would clear Mason to play, if he shouldn't have been playing.
With a piece of his meniscus removed from his knee, it's never going to be 100%. And he's likely always going to have some level of discomfort.

- MJL


I'm not criticizing anything just adding an opinion from someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 8:52 PM ET
Yep.

We tend to forget his back woes. They just don't magically disappear overnight either.

- 77rams


Yep. Somebody made that point to me on twitter a few minutes ago. I had kind of forgotten the back issue.

The knee itself is something that should heal. He had the same thing done on the left knee back in 2009 or 2010. But if it's bothersome, just let him get more nights off. Not even saying shut him down, just lighten the load a bit
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 8:52 PM ET
If the Flyers thought that Mason was risking anything by playing, they wouldn't be playing him in my opinion. Just because some fans think there is risk, or a possibility of risk, doesn't mean that there is. That's why the Flyers employ multiple MD's and Orthopedic surgeons to take care of their players.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 8:53 PM ET
I'm not criticizing anything just adding an opinion from someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
- Briere


I realize you weren't. Thanks for the input.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 8:54 PM ET
Another thing is, watch Mason play. He's on top of his game and playing great. Doesn't show any signs of injury, nor does he look like he is physically struggling in any way.
Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Mar 18 @ 9:02 PM ET
Another thing is, watch Mason play. He's on top of his game and playing great. Doesn't show any signs of injury, nor does he look like he is physically struggling in any way.
- MJL


This is just input, not a judgement or criticism at all, so take it for what it's worth. If he's not completely healed, by playing now he is creating friction against scar tissue and retarding the healing process and MAYBE (not saying he is but maybe) getting his knee drained as often as daily. And he MAY need to be scoped again in the off season. Which unfortunately is right around the corner.

However, I agree he is playing very well.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 9:05 PM ET
This is just input, not a judgement or criticism at all, so take it for what it's worth. If he's not completely healed, by playing now he is creating friction against scar tissue and retarding the healing process and MAYBE (not saying he is but maybe) getting his knee drained as often as daily. And he MAY need to be scoped again in the off season. Which unfortunately is right around the corner.

However, I agree he is playing very well.

- Briere


My entire point is it's maybe's and may's. Maybe because of how well he's playing, and he's cleared to play by the medical staff, he's not at any risk. My entire point is the latter has to be considered also.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Mar 18 @ 9:09 PM ET
evening gents
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 18 @ 9:09 PM ET
This is just input, not a judgement or criticism at all, so take it for what it's worth. If he's not completely healed, by playing now he is creating friction against scar tissue and retarding the healing process and MAYBE (not saying he is but maybe) getting his knee drained as often as daily. And he MAY need to be scoped again in the off season. Which unfortunately is right around the corner.

However, I agree he is playing very well.

- Briere

this team aint going to the playoffs so they have more than enough months to heal up
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 9:11 PM ET
evening gents
- stayinthefnnet


Ahoy, counselor
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 9:12 PM ET
We will pick top 10. I feel it. I don't mind if they win a few more. But if I have to see one more useless OT loss I'm going to go apepoop. 15 useless points. In one direction that's the playoffs. In the other a top 5 pick.

Draft Provorov and hope like hell that Tampa gets dumped in the 1st round.

- hereticpride


Set on just Provorov?
Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Mar 18 @ 9:13 PM ET
My entire point is it's maybe's and may's. Maybe because of how well he's playing, and he's cleared to play by the medical staff, he's not at any risk. My entire point is the latter has to be considered also.
- MJL


i hear you.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 9:17 PM ET
This is just input, not a judgement or criticism at all, so take it for what it's worth. If he's not completely healed, by playing now he is creating friction against scar tissue and retarding the healing process and MAYBE (not saying he is but maybe) getting his knee drained as often as daily. And he MAY need to be scoped again in the off season. Which unfortunately is right around the corner.

However, I agree he is playing very well.

- Briere


Not sure what him playing well has to do with the risk of re-injury. He was playing well between the first time he left a game with the knee pain and when it locked up leading to the surgery.

I doubt the big worry is re-injury, but as has been said slowing of the healing process and the possibility of another injury due to compensating for the pain in the knee. In terms of that, he's playing for a team that's not making the playoffs, so why continue to ride him game in and out?

As for criticism, who cares? We can all share opinions and if those opinions are critical, so be it. Me being a fan of this team for 40+ years doesn't negate my right to be critical if I see fit to be.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
Set on just Provorov?
- ob18

why does tampa need to get dumped?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
Set on just Provorov?
- ob18


He's finally going to be the good Russian the Flyers add.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
why does tampa need to get dumped?
- 2Real


I have no idea what you are talking about
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
why does tampa need to get dumped?
- 2Real


The Flyers hold Tampa's 1st rounder. The earlier they are out of the playoffs, the higher the pick will be.
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