He had part of his meniscus removed, he's never going to be 100%. He's likely never going to be completely without discomfort, as he's missing part of the cushioning between bones in his knee. He's playing because there isn't a risk to him by playing in my opinion. If he was at risk by playing, they wouldn't be playing him. He's playing because there is no downside to playing him.
- MJL

Defending just to defend is no different than criticizing to criticize

None of us know how much discomfort he is in. But he is the one who keeps talking about it, so it does matter

Professional sports teams and their doctors and trainers are not infallible -- their conflicts of interest have been discussed ad nauseum

The NHL once wouldn't even acknowledge the frequency and severity of concussions...now we've got Quiet Rooms and mandatory testing, which shows you that they don't always know what the hell they're talking about

Players have a right to discuss how their bodies are feeling, and they don't have to defer to a GM, because one day, that GM just might be held accountable for the choices they make in playing players who are injured -- and they should be, just as the NFL was for knowingly concealing the risks of playing with head trauma

any of you fellas really good with car engines?
- stayinthefnnet

Depends on how old the car is.

any of you fellas really good with car engines?
- stayinthefnnet

I know how to start one!

I know how to start one!
- MJL

haha well how about when one is awfulllly finicky about starting

I remember that.
- Jsaquella

And these good sites

OHL - http://chlcluster.leagues...-report/daily-report.html
QMJHL - http://chlcluster.leagues...-report/daily-report.html
WHL - http://chlcluster.leagues...-report/daily-report.html

Defending just to defend is no different than criticizing to criticize

None of us know how much discomfort he is in. But he is the one who keeps talking about it, so it does matter

Professional sports teams and their doctors and trainers are not infallible -- their conflicts of interest have been discussed ad nauseum

The NHL once wouldn't even acknowledge the frequency and severity of concussions...now we've got Quiet Rooms and mandatory testing, which shows you that they don't always know what the hell they're talking about

Players have a right to discuss how their bodies are feeling, and they don't have to defer to a GM, because one day, that GM just might be held accountable for the choices they make in playing players who are injured -- and they should be, just as the NFL was for knowingly concealing the risks of playing with head trauma
- AllInForFlyers

I'm not defending just to defend. My position is based mostly on what I'm seeing with Mason with his play. Plus, I completely trust the Flyers medical staff, and I have no reason to believe that they would put Mason at risk.
The example of concussions is a bad example. That's a situation where there was a lack of knowledge and information on concussions, even among the medical community. That is not the case with a meniscus injury and what Mason's issues were. Medicine and medical care evolves.

Players talking to the media about injuries, has zero to do with choices GM's make in playing players with injuries. Players have a say in their medical care, just as we do.

any of you fellas really good with car engines?
- stayinthefnnet

sugar in the gas tank solves everything

Defending just to defend is no different than criticizing to criticize

None of us know how much discomfort he is in. But he is the one who keeps talking about it, so it does matter

Professional sports teams and their doctors and trainers are not infallible -- their conflicts of interest have been discussed ad nauseum

The NHL once wouldn't even acknowledge the frequency and severity of concussions...now we've got Quiet Rooms and mandatory testing, which shows you that they don't always know what the hell they're talking about

Players have a right to discuss how their bodies are feeling, and they don't have to defer to a GM, because one day, that GM just might be held accountable for the choices they make in playing players who are injured -- and they should be, just as the NFL was for knowingly concealing the risks of playing with head trauma
- AllInForFlyers

That's why it's an issue to me. Mason says it's not 100%. And while he can clearly play, and probably isn't at any more risk than the average, given the team's circumstances, why not give him a bit more rest?

Also, Mason's had meniscus surgery before. He knows what it feels like in the aftermath. He knows the rehab for it and how it feels when it's fully healed.

Again, most of those being critical or expressing concerns, are more concerned with the potential for slowing the healing process or the possibility of an injury caused by overcompensating for the knee, not with re-injury.

Depends on how old the car is.
- Jsaquella

2009 kia.

last 2 or 3 days, maybe every 3rd or 4th time id try to start it, it wouldnt take. it wasnt just like a dead click to where i would think it was the battery. the engine was trying to turn over but just wouldnt. id try it again and it would take. and i was curious because the check engine light wasnt on.

but now today it was doing it again, and the check engine light finally came on. someone i knew checked it out and suggested the fuel pump of all things? granted, i dont know a lot about cars, but i was hoping it would just be the spark plugs.

sugar in the gas tank solves everything
- 2Real

i'm more than sweet enough.

Mason is going to get plenty of rest in the off season. If he is at no risk of further damage, and can play at a high level, as he obviously has been. Then I see no reason for him not to play. I think Mason's comments are being overblown, in my opinion. Which is why I think players should refrain from talking to the media about their injuries.

I'm not defending just to defend. My position is based mostly on what I'm seeing with Mason with his play. Plus, I completely trust the Flyers medical staff, and I have no reason to believe that they would put Mason at risk.
The example of concussions is a bad example. That's a situation where there was a lack of knowledge and information on concussions, even among the medical community. That is not the case with a meniscus injury and what Mason's issues were. Medicine and medical care evolves.

Players talking to the media about injuries, has zero to do with choices GM's make in playing players with injuries. Players have a say in their medical care, just as we do.
- MJL

I'm not criticizing just to criticize. My position on Brooby is based mostly on what I'm seeing regarding his more than occasional decisions that cause me to scratch my head so hard I bleed.

2009 kia.

last 2 or 3 days, maybe every 3rd or 4th time id try to start it, it wouldnt take. it wasnt just like a dead click to where i would think it was the battery. the engine was trying to turn over but just wouldnt. id try it again and it would take. and i was curious because the check engine light wasnt on.

but now today it was doing it again, and the check engine light finally came on. someone i knew checked it out and suggested the fuel pump of all things? granted, i dont know a lot about cars, but i was hoping it would just be the spark plugs.
- stayinthefnnet

Dead clicking could be the alternator or even battery. If the battery is older than 2-3 years, you might want to replace it or have it checked out. I had a car, when you cranked it, it just clicked away. Replaced the battery and never had an issue.

If it's more of the engine cranking over and over and just not firing up, it could be the fuel pump. If no fuel is injected, the engine can't fire.

I think Joe Russomano is a mechanic, might want to shoot him a DM

I'm not defending just to defend. My position is based mostly on what I'm seeing with Mason with his play. Plus, I completely trust the Flyers medical staff, and I have no reason to believe that they would put Mason at risk.
The example of concussions is a bad example. That's a situation where there was a lack of knowledge and information on concussions, even among the medical community. That is not the case with a meniscus injury and what Mason's issues were. Medicine and medical care evolves.
- MJL

The only person around here who can talk with any expertise is Briere, and even that is secondhand knowledge. None of us knows how much Mason has been affected by HIS surgery

Guys can play hurt, and they can play well. But that doesn't mean they aren't hurt, and it doesn't mean they should be playing

Mason's honesty should be applauded, and more players should speak up and say exactly how they are feeling and what they are dealing with

It didn't help a single person for RJ Umberger to soldier on. The examples of concussions are absolutely valid, because for years, players were told by team medical staff that there were no long-term risks for damage when they had every inkling that there was -- there's a reason why "League of Denial" didn't get the authors sued and why the league paid hundreds of millions of dollars to settle

The last thing anybody should believe is when a team-employed physician or trainer tells a player that he should play. Players should often obtain second opinions -- Eric Lindros wasn't perfect, but the smartest thing he ever did was stop listening to team-employed physicians

That's why it's an issue to me. Mason says it's not 100%. And while he can clearly play, and probably isn't at any more risk than the average, given the team's circumstances, why not give him a bit more rest?

Also, Mason's had meniscus surgery before. He knows what it feels like in the aftermath. He knows the rehab for it and how it feels when it's fully healed.

Again, most of those being critical or expressing concerns, are more concerned with the potential for slowing the healing process or the possibility of an injury caused by overcompensating for the knee, not with re-injury.
- Jsaquella

This is not rocket science.

Even I know this.

And I am not a scientist.

Nor am I a rocket.

2009 kia.

last 2 or 3 days, maybe every 3rd or 4th time id try to start it, it wouldnt take. it wasnt just like a dead click to where i would think it was the battery. the engine was trying to turn over but just wouldnt. id try it again and it would take. and i was curious because the check engine light wasnt on.

but now today it was doing it again, and the check engine light finally came on. someone i knew checked it out and suggested the fuel pump of all things? granted, i dont know a lot about cars, but i was hoping it would just be the spark plugs.
- stayinthefnnet

Have to bite the bullet. I took my truck in for inspection last month. Cost me 700 bills for brakes, and new shocks.

Dead clicking could be the alternator or even battery. If the battery is older than 2-3 years, you might want to replace it or have it checked out. I had a car, when you cranked it, it just clicked away. Replaced the battery and never had an issue.

If it's more of the engine cranking over and over and just not firing up, it could be the fuel pump. If no fuel is injected, the engine can't fire.

I think Joe Russomano is a mechanic, might want to shoot him a DM
- Jsaquella

yeah its definitely the second scenario.

that makes sense. haha i guess i was hoping for something less labor intensive, hence pulling for the sparkplugs.

thanks for the input.

Have to bite the bullet. I took my truck in for inspection last month. Cost me 700 bills for brakes, and new shocks.
- MJL

haha having to bite the bullet on relatively no income can be easier said than done.

This is not rocket science.

Even I know this.

And I am not a scientist.

Nor am I a rocket.
- Giroux_Is_God

Even if Mason is playing great-which he is-at this point that's doing little more than hurting the draft position

I'm actually OK with him playing, I'd just like to see the load lessened. No need to start him every game.

yeah its definitely the second scenario.

that makes sense. haha i guess i was hoping for something less labor intensive, hence pulling for the sparkplugs.

thanks for the input.
- stayinthefnnet

No problem. Hope it was helpful. I bring my own vaseline to the mechanic's now.

Even if Mason is playing great-which he is-at this point that's doing little more than hurting the draft position

I'm actually OK with him playing, I'd just like to see the load lessened. No need to start him every game.
- Jsaquella

Agreed.

As a matter of fact, I think if Broooooob or Hexy goes up to Mase and just goes "yeah so...bring your dress clothes because we're shutting you down...."

Well

They probably wouldn't get to say the word 'because' before Mase decks em. Kid's drive to play is off the charts. At least it seems like that.

Marner would be a nice pick, his size isn't a concern for me as it might be for others. He could be at worst probably a top 6 pick at the moment.

My list of 30 does not include him and a few others because I believe they won't be there when the Flyers pick so no sense is adding them.
- ob18

Ill save you some time, your list should have one name: Connor McDavid. We got the lotto in the bag

Dead clicking could be the alternator or even battery. If the battery is older than 2-3 years, you might want to replace it or have it checked out. I had a car, when you cranked it, it just clicked away. Replaced the battery and never had an issue.

If it's more of the engine cranking over and over and just not firing up, it could be the fuel pump. If no fuel is injected, the engine can't fire.

I think Joe Russomano is a mechanic, might want to shoot him a DM
- Jsaquella

I had clicking once... turned out I just didn't drive the car that much

haha having to bite the bullet on relatively no income can be easier said than done.
- stayinthefnnet

I just got the 100 bucks back that the feds took from my paychecks back.

College.

Agreed.

As a matter of fact, I think if Broooooob or Hexy goes up to Mase and just goes "yeah so...bring your dress clothes because we're shutting you down...."

Well

They probably wouldn't get to say the word 'because' before Mase decks em. Kid's drive to play is off the charts. At least it seems like that.
- Giroux_Is_God

Yep, can't discount Mason's drive. Hell, he was stellar after getting hurt in the Boston game and when it locked up vs Washington. The guy is a warrior, and I get that he wants to fight through the pain.

But at this point, they're cleaning up the bar after the brawl.