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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 23 @ 1:42 PM ET
White, hands down.
- Jsaquella


Racist as (frank)
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Mar 23 @ 1:42 PM ET
One could only hope...
- WarriorHockey21



I just thik if they resign white. You also have guys like Straka, Cousins, Leirer, laughton, Bellemare plus maybe possible draft picks. I just don't see a spot for him.

Also you still have Umberger and Vinny still until something with them happens.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 1:44 PM ET
I don't think it makes sense to do a buyout this summer when the Flyers will have no trouble getting under the ~$71m cap.
- Feanor


I'm more of the "get rid of Vinny" club
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:44 PM ET
Exactly... Yes it sucks, but now that its happening, forget winning and losing. Play guys like Manning, Cousins more. Gets Couts into a different role. See what guys can do with "the pressure off" and in different situations.
- jak521


brooby is probably working tirelessly to come up with as many different ideas as he can.

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 1:44 PM ET
Just a question

If you have decide between resigning White of Vandevelde, who would you pick? I think this might be something they do next season.

My pick would be White.

- J35Bacher


That's a tough one.
I'm going to abstain from this one
kellyblaise7
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Haddon Township, NJ
Joined: 07.21.2012

Mar 23 @ 1:44 PM ET
I just hope we can reap the rewards of a terrible season in this draft and that Hexy miraculously turns the team around in one year. Wishful thinking?

When is the draft lottery? Does anyone know? It's the next thing I'm looking forward to.

- funmaster18


I hope so too because playoff hockey is the best and nothing is better than having a horse in the race. I don't know when the lottery is either, but that's what I'm looking forward to as well. Its the only thing we have a remote chance at winning this season.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Mar 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
I just thik if they resign white. You also have guys like Straka, Cousins, Leirer, laughton, Bellemare plus maybe possible draft picks. I just don't see a spot for him.

Also you still have Umberger and Vinny still until something with them happens.

- J35Bacher


My personal feelings - I think White has rendered Rinaldo expendable. He does everything Rinaldo does (hustles, hits, fights) only smarter and with some offense. He knows where the line is, and he hasn't really crossed it yet.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
I'm going to sleep. Someone wake me up at the draft.

I'll be dreaming of Provorov, Marner or Rantanen with our pick and Bittner with Tampa's.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 23 @ 1:46 PM ET
I just thik if they resign white. You also have guys like Straka, Cousins, Leirer, laughton, Bellemare plus maybe possible draft picks. I just don't see a spot for him.

Also you still have Umberger and Vinny still until something with them happens.

- J35Bacher


Straka and Leier need another season in the AHL. The spot on the Flyers White should be taking is Rinaldo's.

Raffl-G-Voracek
BSchenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Bellemare-Laughton-Read
Umberger-Cousins-White
Lecavalier
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 23 @ 1:46 PM ET
I'm going to sleep. Someone wake me up at the draft.

I'll be dreaming of Provorov, Marner or Rantanen with our pick and Bittner with Tampa's.

- hereticpride


If you are going to dream, dream big. As in McDavid!
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:47 PM ET
My personal feelings - I think White has rendered Rinaldo expendable. He does everything Rinaldo does (hustles, hits, fights) only smarter and with some offense. He knows where the line is, and he hasn't really crossed it yet.
- WarriorHockey21


correction, rinaldo has rendered rinaldo expendable
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 1:47 PM ET
brooby is probably working tirelessly to come up with as many different ideas as he can.


- funmaster18


hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
If you are going to dream, dream big. As in McDavid!
- PLindbergh31

Win lotto, trade with Buffalo. Draft Eichel and have them fork over Kane and Bogo. We'll throw in the Schenns if need be.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
From Brooks' article -- an important stipulation left off on previous link's article:

If he sits for a year -- he'd just need the Devils consent to return.



I don't think Uncle Lou will forgive and forget that easily.

- Moose_15


Lou wanted him to leave as well. NJ wanted to save that money due to the financial struggles of the team. Lou has no hard feeling about what happened.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:49 PM ET
I hope so too because playoff hockey is the best and nothing is better than having a horse in the race. I don't know when the lottery is either, but that's what I'm looking forward to as well. Its the only thing we have a remote chance at winning this season.
- kellyblaise7


hard to believe they have missed the playoffs so many times in the last few years and they have been wildly inconsistent. Different teams, coaches, GMs. I just hope Hextall is the guy to finally move the team forward. This offseason will tell us a lot about the possibility of him succeeding.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:49 PM ET

- Jsaquella


I'm surprised he came up with that many ideas, to be honest
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 23 @ 1:50 PM ET
I'm more of the "get rid of Vinny" club
- Jsaquella


I'd much rather trade him while retaining ~$1.4m than buy him out. If that's not possible this summer, it may be in 2016 when his contract will only have two years and $5.5m in salary left.

I think he's pretty much shot as a player but it's not impossible that he rebounds into a half-decent guy with Berube gone. Stranger things have happened.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Mar 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
I just hope we can reap the rewards of a terrible season in this draft and that Hexy miraculously turns the team around in one year. Wishful thinking?

When is the draft lottery? Does anyone know? It's the next thing I'm looking forward to.

- funmaster18


Vancouver did it last year. They played terribly last year, now they're in the playoff hunt. They made 3 big moves. Moving kesler, adding vrbata, and a coaching change. Maybe that's all it takes for us this offseason? Maybe our Kesler move is getting rid of vinny? Maybe we add a solid winger (Beleskey, Stewart, Fehr, etc). I think at this point it's looking like they can berube. Obviously it doesn't have to go exactly by this template but who knows. Like I said, Vancouver did it last year, why can't we be next season's Vancouver?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
I'd much rather trade him while retaining ~$1.4m than buy him out. If that's not possible this summer, it may be in 2016 when his contract will only have two years and $5.5m in salary left.

I think he's pretty much shot as a player but it's not impossible that he rebounds into a half-decent guy with Berube gone. Stranger things have happened.

- Feanor


yeah, and maybe pigs will fly out of my butt
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
Lou wanted him to leave as well. NJ wanted to save that money due to the financial struggles of the team. Lou has no hard feeling about what happened.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Devils are (frank)ing pathetic
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:53 PM ET
Vancouver did it last year. They played terribly last year, now they're in the playoff hunt. They made 3 big moves. Moving kesler, adding vrbata, and a coaching change. Maybe that's all it takes for us this offseason? Maybe our Kesler move is getting rid of vinny? Maybe we add a solid winger (Beleskey, Stewart, Fehr, etc). I think at this point it's looking like they can berube. Obviously it doesn't have to go exactly by this template but who knows. Like I said, Vancouver did it last year, why can't we be next season's Vancouver?
- benjichronic


I honestly wouldn't mind another bad year if there were signs that this team was headed in a particular direction and that Hextall was making the necessary moves. Not ideal, but if there are growing pains, so be it. What I can't do is watch this same roster, coached by the same coach again. I just can't.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 23 @ 1:54 PM ET
yeah, and maybe pigs will fly out of my butt
- funmaster18


Steve Mason raised his SV% from .899 in12-13 to .925 in 14-15. Hands up who predicted that?

But even if Vinny is the same next year as this year I'd still rather keep him.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 2:04 PM ET
Steve Mason raised his SV% from .899 in12-13 to .925 in 14-15. Hands up who predicted that?

But even if Vinny is the same next year as this year I'd still rather keep him.

- Feanor


I disagree. If a new coach doesn't want him, you can't keep him. You buy him out and you deal with the cap ramifications. Buyout umberger too if that's what the new coach wants. It's not the worst thing in the world of the flyers cap ceiling is essentially 66 million. Lots of young players on entry deals coming. They have to ice the best lineup and play the guys that are pieces for the future
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 23 @ 2:06 PM ET
Steve Mason raised his SV% from .899 in12-13 to .925 in 14-15. Hands up who predicted that?

But even if Vinny is the same next year as this year I'd still rather keep him.

- Feanor


Mason was a young goalie on a bad team. I think it takes much more optimistic thinking that VLC, in the twilight of his career, rebounds and has a good season. Won't say never, because you can always be proven wrong, but I think it's a long shot.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 2:12 PM ET
I'd much rather trade him while retaining ~$1.4m than buy him out. If that's not possible this summer, it may be in 2016 when his contract will only have two years and $5.5m in salary left.

I think he's pretty much shot as a player but it's not impossible that he rebounds into a half-decent guy with Berube gone. Stranger things have happened.

- Feanor


Obviously trading him while retaining dollars is better.

Maybe there's a coach who can find a slot for him, make him productive and then increase his value. But I just think he's frustrated and ready to move on and I'm not sure anyone else is interested.
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