I guess im just way to naive to be waiting for all these articles about how Edmonton has been a bottom 5 team for a decade.

older fart
- homiedclown

I guess im just way to naive to be waiting for all these articles about how Edmonton has been a bottom 5 team for a decade.
- hubie

Just proof that they only get mad when it's done right and works ...

Sorry I'm swiping left.
- Der Kaiser

Just proof that they only get mad when it's done right and works ...
- Der Kaiser

exactly, thats what gets me the most. IMO we has just as bad of a team last season. Yes we had a few better players but its not like we iced the best team possible.

As much as I love this talk....

Larsson, here next year or traded?

exactly, thats what gets me the most. IMO we has just as bad of a team last season. Yes we had a few better players but its not like we iced the best team possible.
- hubie

They started off last season with Miller, Vanek, Ott and Ehrhoff though. Hodgson wasn't a complete mess. And that's just what I remember off the top of my head.

At the beginning of the year last year, the team should have been much better than they were. That's the difference. By the end of the season, you're correct. It's not much different than now. But at the start of the year it was much different.

As much as I love this talk....

Larsson, here next year or traded?
- ImThatGuy

I like what he's been doing. I think he deserves an NHL shot. If Murray doesn't see him in the plans going forward though, they should trade him this offseason. His value may never be higher.

I like what he's been doing. I think he deserves an NHL shot. If Murray doesn't see him in the plans going forward though, they should trade him this offseason. His value may never be higher.
- HonkFortheGoose

From my point of view Larsson falls into the same pot as the possibility of bringing back Gringo, or even Stewart: what money will it take and where does he fit?

As much as I love this talk....

Larsson, here next year or traded?
- ImThatGuy

here. foligno, girgensons, and larsson would be a nice third line going forward. yes, he would score more with more talented players, but he would be a good two way player on a potentially very good third line.

They started off last season with Miller, Vanek, Ott and Ehrhoff though. Hodgson wasn't a complete mess. And that's just what I remember off the top of my head.

At the beginning of the year last year, the team should have been much better than they were. That's the difference. By the end of the season, you're correct. It's not much different than now. But at the start of the year it was much different.
- HonkFortheGoose

the team as a whole has been under achieving since July 1st 2007 IMO

aside from 1 great half season from Miller, it's been a wreck waiting to happen

the team as a whole has been under achieving since July 1st 2007 IMO

aside from 1 great half season from Miller, it's been a wreck waiting to happen
- homiedclown

They absolutely have been. That doesn't mean that the team should have been better earlier in the season last year though. For the most part, Miller not being here hasn't really had too much of an effect on us. For whatever reason, the goaltending always seems to be sufficient enough. But the group as a whole should have been at least halfway decent to start the year last year. Instead they looked like they didn't even belong in the AHL.

As much as I love this talk....

Larsson, here next year or traded?
- ImThatGuy

here, so long as Nolan is gone

Carried from last post:

The integrity folks don't recognize that Buffalo's players are playing with all the integrity they have, doing their best to win night in and night out.

And the GM is doing exactly what he should be doing - doing his best to ensure the longterm success of the franchise.

The reason that last night was so uncomfortable for me is because we have finally reached the tipping point of the entire season: we are getting very near to cementing what the franchise has set out to do for the last 20 months, and we always knew it would be "suffering" and we always knew it was unnatural in sports. And it's going to stare us in the face until we've gone ahead and done it.

And then, hopefully, we can get back to what all of us would far prefer to do, root for a winning successful team we really really like.
- Der Kaiser

*clap, clap, clap*

the team as a whole has been under achieving since July 1st 2007 IMO

aside from 1 great half season from Miller, it's been a wreck waiting to happen
- homiedclown

Speaking of Miller . How has he been playing ?

From my point of view Larsson falls into the same pot as the possibility of bringing back Gringo, or even Stewart: what money will it take and where does he fit?
- Der Kaiser

Well, Grigorenko and Larsson are RFAs. I doubt very much that Murray doesn't qualify them, so they'll be in the organization to start training camp at the very least (barring any trades). I don't see either one of them getting huge raises, so the money part isn't an issue for them either, IMO.

Not sure we need a guy like Stewart for next year. I haven't done a "projected lineup" as that's not really my thing. But I don't think they need a guy like him, especially not at the cost that would probably be associated.

From my point of view Larsson falls into the same pot as the possibility of bringing back Gringo, or even Stewart: what money will it take and where does he fit?
- Der Kaiser

so if it ended up looking like:

moulson-eichel-kane
ennis-reinhart-o'reilly
foligno-girgensons-larsson
deslauriers-dont know-dont care

id be pretty happy. ristolainen takes another step, gorges and bogosian take up valuable minutes, and whoever is left from mccabe, pysyk, and zadorov take minutes away from weber- we should be much happier campers.

*clap, clap, clap*
- Michael Pachla

You can get a shot to clear that up...

They absolutely have been. That doesn't mean that the team should have been better earlier in the season last year though. For the most part, Miller not being here hasn't really had too much of an effect on us. For whatever reason, the goaltending always seems to be sufficient enough. But the group as a whole should have been at least halfway decent to start the year last year. Instead they looked like they didn't even belong in the AHL.
- HonkFortheGoose

the team fundamentals has been pathetic aside from a few good individual plays here and there over the last 8 years


started out the gate bad more often then not

not sure if it's pride, coaching, talent

my guess is it was a team that spoiled up catching lightning in a bottle and the lack of leadership at the top bled out slowly


now it's time to purge the have nots this off season and truly turn the page on this mess

Speaking of Miller . How has he been playing ?
- cabin

average

You can get a shot to clear that up...
- jochfr

Why am I not surprised that you'd know?

You can get a shot to clear that up...
- jochfr

Why am I not surprised that you'd know?
- HonkFortheGoose

Surprisingly I've never had to experience that...

so if it ended up looking like:

moulson-eichel-kane
ennis-reinhart-o'reilly
foligno-girgensons-larsson
deslauriers-dont know-dont care

id be pretty happy. ristolainen takes another step, gorges and bogosian take up valuable minutes, and whoever is left from mccabe, pysyk, and zadorov take minutes away from weber- we should be much happier campers.
- rover16

it works if you grab 2 studs this off season in FA's

moulson needs to drop a line
gionta will be on the third line so larsson probably drops to the 4th line, not a bad thing

squeeze in a st louis or jagr and then.........

You can get a shot to clear that up...
- jochfr

well played

(jerk)