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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 30 @ 4:12 PM ET
I was trying to think of a comparison. The McSorely/Simon attacks happened in the heat of the moment, so did the Boulerice incidents (plural). The only comparable thing that I can think of was the Domi sucker punch on Ulfie, but I don't think that even works.
- jmatchett383


Slap Shot is the comparison.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 30 @ 4:12 PM ET
I was trying to think of a comparison. The McSorely/Simon attacks happened in the heat of the moment, so did the Boulerice incidents (plural). The only comparable thing that I can think of was the Domi sucker punch on Ulfie, but I don't think that even works.
- jmatchett383


That was a straight up assault that had nothing to do with game action.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 30 @ 4:13 PM ET
Berube is likely gone.

No way is this franchise winning the lottery and finding a sucker to take Vinny all in the same summer. That sort of luck is for franchises that threaten to move out of town or are close to insolvent.

- johndewar


The Flyers will fire Berube, win the lottery, and trade the 1st overall pick along with Vinny for the second selection.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 30 @ 4:19 PM ET
See.. I honestly think I would have leaned towards Ryan White.
- jak521

Agreed.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 30 @ 4:22 PM ET
The Flyers will fire Berube, win the lottery, and trade the 1st overall pick along with Vinny for the second selection.
- 77rams


The Flyers will fire Berube, hire Stevens, re-trade Carter, and see a Vinny resurgence.

Also, I cannot confirm or deny drinking at work.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 30 @ 4:23 PM ET
That was a straight up assault that had nothing to do with game action.
- johndewar


That's one of the few times where a court of law should be involved from what happens on a hockey rink..
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 30 @ 4:23 PM ET
Slap Shot is the comparison.
- Jsaquella


More or less, yeah.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 30 @ 4:24 PM ET
The Flyers will fire Berube, hire Stevens, re-trade Carter, and see a Vinny resurgence.

Also, I cannot confirm or deny drinking at work.

- johndewar


At what point do they rehire Berube and insert Riley Cote into the lineup?
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Mar 30 @ 4:26 PM ET
That was a straight up assault that had nothing to do with game action.
- johndewar


I just watched the video... that was BRUTAL. god what a maniac.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 30 @ 4:26 PM ET
The Flyers will fire Berube, win the lottery, and trade the 1st overall pick along with Vinny for the second selection.
- 77rams

Make them take Umberger too, or no deal
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Mar 30 @ 4:30 PM ET
Make them take Umberger too, or no deal
- BulliesPhan87


Buffalo might actually consider that with their billionaire owner
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 30 @ 4:33 PM ET
I was gonna say on weed consumption

EDIT:

Looked up original tweet from Mirtle, he says it's sorted by a combination of points and ice time

- Jsaquella


It's crap then because the magical number used for sorting is missing.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 30 @ 4:35 PM ET
Holy poop! That's crazy. That dude's a lunatic.
- jmatchett383

I heard an interview with the guy and he said that the player he attacked hit him from behind earlier in the schedule and that he was still experiencing concussion symptoms. He said he hit him on the shin pads and that he's sure he'll get worse punishment than the other guy got for running him from behind (nothing). The player he attacked wasn't hurt and both players played in the game.

Not that any of that makes it right. Just sharing.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 30 @ 5:11 PM ET
Which column is that list sorted on?

Edit: First person to say "Rk" gets a dope slap.

- Scoob


Yup, numbers be dancin all around there...kinda wondered that myself.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 30 @ 5:23 PM ET
It's crap then because the magical number used for sorting is missing.
- Scoob

Ask Mirtle not me
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 30 @ 5:27 PM ET
I'll give you Lauridsen. Still, unless there is a reason that does not allow them to do it, I'd rather have one of Alt/Hagg playing over Coliacovo. It's not exactly like our defense overall has been good at the NHL level, and I'd rather they let a few guys who may one day be in the lineup get a taste over a guy who, in almost all cases, won't be back next year.
- jmatchett383


Giving young players a taste at the end of a season, is highly overrated. If a player in the AHL is a viable prospect, at some point he's going to get a taste on a call up. Play the players you have, finish out the string, and leave the players in the minors who aren't ready for the NHL, in the minors. Not to mention the cap implications. All in my opinion.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 30 @ 5:31 PM ET
Giving young players a taste at the end of a season, is highly overrated. If a player in the AHL is a viable prospect, at some point he's going to get a taste on a call up. Play the players you have, finish out the string, and leave the players in the minors who aren't ready for the NHL, in the minors. Not to mention the cap implications. All in my opinion.
- MJL


Agreed, the Flyers have everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing guys like Coliacovo for the rest of the year.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 30 @ 5:35 PM ET
Pretty much a spot on blog by Bill.

I have said the same thing about Couturier and B Schenn all year.
Based on play neither one is untouchable.

You can give Couturier Voracek and Simmonds and it won't have anything to do with what Couturier does on a breakaway or a 1 timer. His offensive instincts this season simply aren't there. Probably a good part of that is confidence.

Take the above, replace Couturier with Schenn and repeat.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 30 @ 5:37 PM ET
Agreed, the Flyers have everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing guys like Coliacovo for the rest of the year.
- jmatchett383



It's more about what do they have to gain or lose by playing Haag over Colaiacovo, that's more relevant.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 30 @ 5:44 PM ET
Pretty much a spot on blog by Bill.

I have said the same thing about Couturier and B Schenn all year.
Based on play neither one is untouchable.

You can give Couturier Voracek and Simmonds and it won't have anything to do with what Couturier does on a breakaway or a 1 timer. His offensive instincts this season simply aren't there. Probably a good part of that is confidence.

Take the above, replace Couturier with Schenn and repeat.

- opeth_pa


I'm not concerned about breakaways and 1 timers with Couturier. Not really a big part of his game, regardless of how well he plays. I think Couturier's big issue is he lacks confidence with the puck, and is hesitant. If he played all season with players like Simmonds and Voracek, if the chemistry is there, you can never tell until they play, I would bet he'd be a more confident player with the puck. Better linemates and better situations would lead to more opportunity, and more confidence. Instinct doesn't go away, it just gets masked by a lack of confidence and thinking instead of just reacting and using those instincts.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 30 @ 5:51 PM ET
I'm not concerned about breakaways and 1 timers with Couturier. Not really a big part of his game, regardless of how well he plays. I think Couturier's big issue is he lacks confidence with the puck, and is hesitant. If he played all season with players like Simmonds and Voracek, if the chemistry is there, you can never tell until they play, I would bet he'd be a more confident player with the puck. Better linemates and better situations would lead to more opportunity, and more confidence. Instinct doesn't go away, it just gets masked by a lack of confidence and thinking instead of just reacting and using those instincts.
- MJL



Im concerned with breakaways and 1 timers considering many of the chances he missed this season were just that. Some players just don't translate what they did in juniors or minors to the NHL.

Im all for putting him in the ideal solution next season and stacking the lines to try and gain him some confidence. It makes sense to me that that the lack of output they are both having comes down to lack of confidence probably not helped by the coach moving them around or constantly changing wingers.

I would still move either Couturier or Schenn if I thought it would make the team better.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 30 @ 5:59 PM ET
Im concerned with breakaways and 1 timers considering many of the chances he missed this season were just that. Some players just don't translate what they did in juniors or minors to the NHL.

Im all for putting him in the ideal solution next season and stacking the lines to try and gain him some confidence. It makes sense to me that that the lack of output they are both having comes down to lack of confidence probably not helped by the coach moving them around or constantly changing wingers.

I would still move either Couturier or Schenn if I thought it would make the team better.

- opeth_pa


Over the course of 70+ games, he hasn't had that many breakaways or one timers. Couturier is not ever going to be a player, who is going to score a bunch of goals on one timers, nor is he a particularly fast player who is going to get behind the defense a lot for breakaways. That's not his game.
Couturier was a top scorer in Juniors. I don't think anyone expects him to be a top scorer in the NHL.
I would trade Giroux or Voracek if I thought it would make the team better.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 30 @ 6:09 PM ET
Looks like another UDFA is about to get signed.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 20m20 minutes ago

BOS is believed to be front runner amongst teams interested in Miami (Ohio) UFA Austin Czarnik. Deal not done yet, tho.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 30 @ 6:40 PM ET
I'm not concerned about breakaways and 1 timers with Couturier. Not really a big part of his game, regardless of how well he plays. I think Couturier's big issue is he lacks confidence with the puck, and is hesitant. If he played all season with players like Simmonds and Voracek, if the chemistry is there, you can never tell until they play, I would bet he'd be a more confident player with the puck. Better linemates and better situations would lead to more opportunity, and more confidence. Instinct doesn't go away, it just gets masked by a lack of confidence and thinking instead of just reacting and using those instincts.
- MJL


Voracek just is on another level when they dropped him to coots line. Coots just couldn't keep up
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 30 @ 6:44 PM ET
Voracek just is on another level when they dropped him to coots line. Coots just couldn't keep up
- Just5

There aren't many guys on this team with jets--Jake, White, MDZ, and when he's healthy, Read.
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