What's wrong with you? You want to get banned? Give it to him OB
- Just5

If I was going to do that it'd be for being Pens fan

all valid points.

i just think the ability to have the guy 4 years sooner would be tempting to those who want to strike while the iron is hot with giroux and jake, all while still having the player add in question still be young, retained, and cost controlled.
- stayinthefnnet

The two 1sts they pick in this upcoming draft have a chance at being core players that match up age-wise w/ the d-prospects they've already got... there's no reason to believe that Jake and G will still have to carry this bunch down the road by themselves.

Plus, Jake and G will probably still be productive in 5-8 years anyway (like Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Hossa/Sharp, etc).

They just aren't one player away right now.

The two 1sts they pick in this upcoming draft have a chance at being core players that match up age-wise w/ the d-prospects they've already got... there's no reason to believe that Jake and G will still have to carry this bunch down the road by themselves.

Plus, Jake and G will probably still be productive in 5-8 years anyway (like Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Hossa/Sharp, etc).

They just aren't one player away right now.
- Tomahawk

Ty

The two 1sts they pick in this upcoming draft have a chance at being core players that match up age-wise w/ the d-prospects they've already got... there's no reason to believe that Jake and G will still have to carry this bunch down the road by themselves.

Plus, Jake and G will probably still be productive in 5-8 years anyway (like Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Hossa/Sharp, etc).

They just aren't one player away right now.
- Tomahawk

Well said, they've picked a path to go down and either they follow it or they go back to doing what hasn't worked for a very long time.

They just aren't one player away right now.
- Tomahawk

Yup, they aren't one player or even one position away right now.

I know some fans are frustrated and becoming impatient, but I think the Flyers need to be very careful when evaluating their young players, especially now, during a down year, a transitional year, for the team.

Developing players like Schenn and Couturier are particularly susceptible to developmental stagnation or worse in this kind of environment... the heart of the defense has been ripped out and a coach, who is still learning on the job (how to coach in the NHL), is pushing buttons and turning dials and adding his own special brand of bizzaro bench/player management...this doesn't exactly lend itself to young players making short term strides in their game.

Some are looking to move Schenn for some theoretically better (and presumably more expensive) replacement, but let's face it, a decent upgrade there isn't going to be the answer to turn the team around...the aging dead weight (RJ/VLC) needs to be purged and the D needs to transition to a new core...this isn't going to happen overnight.... meanwhile, here's Schenn, a kid with upside giving you .5 pts per game at reasonable money while you wait.

I can absolutely see Brayden Schenn rounding out his game pushing to 60+ points within a few years as the team gets back on course. Couturier too will look much better in that time and by then there will be other guys coming up in the system that will make an impact as well.

We just need to be patient as fans now...and not exert pressure that might possibly see the team trade away young talent for short term gain. There may come a time for that kind of move, when that one piece could put us over the top, but that time is not now.

I'm not saying there can't be a trade involving Schenn or Coots that makes sense to do, even this year, but the mentality of just wanting to part ways with these kids due frustration stemming from the inconsistencies often seen during a young player's development is shortsighted and having that mentality could be very counterproductive to an organization. Thankfully, it seems like Hexy knows the window isn't now, but a little further down the road and that there's probably more risk than reward in giving up on younger, developing guys now just to try and chase near term performance with some supposed upgrade.

If I was going to do that it'd be for being Pens fan
- ob18

now now

now now
- stayinthefnnet

What you are still here

The two 1sts they pick in this upcoming draft have a chance at being core players that match up age-wise w/ the d-prospects they've already got... there's no reason to believe that Jake and G will still have to carry this bunch down the road by themselves.

Plus, Jake and G will probably still be productive in 5-8 years anyway (like Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Hossa/Sharp, etc).

They just aren't one player away right now.
- Tomahawk

that is true.

What you are still here
- ob18

yes

I know some fans are frustrated and becoming impatient, but I think the Flyers need to be very careful when evaluating their young players, especially now, during a down year, a transitional year, for the team.

Developing players like Schenn and Couturier are particularly susceptible to developmental stagnation or worse in this kind of environment... the heart of the defense has been ripped out and a coach, who is still learning on the job (how to coach in the NHL), is pushing buttons and turning dials and adding his own special brand of bizzaro bench/player management...this doesn't exactly lend itself to young players making short term strides in their game.

Some are looking to move Schenn for some theoretically better (and presumably more expensive) replacement, but let's face it, a decent upgrade there isn't going to be the answer to turn the team around...the aging dead weight (RJ/VLC) needs to be purged and the D needs to transition to a new core...this isn't going to happen overnight.... meanwhile, here's Schenn, a kid with upside giving you .5 pts per game at reasonable money while you wait.

I can absolutely see Brayden Schenn rounding out his game pushing to 60+ points within a few years as the team gets back on course. Couturier too will look much better in that time and by then there will be other guys coming up in the system that will make an impact as well.

We just need to be patient as fans now...and not exert pressure that might possibly see the team trade away young talent for short term gain. There may come a time for that kind of move, when that one piece could put us over the top, but that time is not now.

I'm not saying there can't be a trade involving Schenn or Coots that makes sense to do, even this year, but the mentality of just wanting to part ways with these kids due frustration stemming from the inconsistencies often seen during a young player's development is shortsighted and having that mentality could be very counterproductive to an organization. Thankfully, it seems like Hexy knows the window isn't now, but a little further down the road and that there's probably more risk than reward in giving up on younger, developing guys now just to try and chase near term performance with some supposed upgrade.
- exlund

Well said. I wouldn't trade Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier to plug a hole and most certainly not based on this season.

sean couturier 281 games 111 points
Patrice bergeron 293 games 221 points

couturier isn't even in the same league as bergeron at this point he's more like a bust if he keeps this up

well thats no good when i have criminal procedure to distract myself from
- stayinthefnnet

Warrantless searches? Confessions? Miranda?

C'mon. Fun stuff.

Warrantless searches? Confessions? Miranda?

C'mon. Fun stuff.
- 77rams

He's probably watching marathons of Law & Order mixed with Matlock

Would people feel better if we keep BSchenn and Coots and move Laughton with Tampa's pick for a winger,D man or higher pick? Chances are we are going to get a Center with our pick( there are just so many available where we'll be picking)

If that is the case then Laughton just seems a little superfluous, even if they dump Vinny.

sean couturier 281 games 111 points
Patrice bergeron 293 games 221 points

couturier isn't even in the same league as bergeron at this point he's more like a bust if he keeps this up
- 2Real

Coots is a bust if he doesn't put up Bergeron-like numbers? That's kind of harsh, don't you think?

One of the things mentioned at the Town Hall (I can't remember if by Hextall or Berube, but I think Hextall) was that Couturier had offseason surgery three years in a row, which prevented him from building strength (particularly, I would think, last summer, since it was core-related surgery) and they had hopes that this summer he'd have the opportunity to build the strength that might be expected in a developing young body and that would help with all aspects of his game.

As for B Schenn, Berube or Hextall (see, no notes was a bad idea) said he has to become a power forward. That trying to be a finesse player wasn't going to work for him at this level. I personally wonder how someone of his size becomes a power forward. But that's what they said.
- bodiva88

I can see how that could hold him back. I think he can be a lot better. I hope we see it next year. It would make a huge impact on this team if he does.

Yup. He'll be people at horse
- PhillySportsGuy

one year
- BulliesPhan87

I know some fans are frustrated and becoming impatient, but I think the Flyers need to be very careful when evaluating their young players, especially now, during a down year, a transitional year, for the team.

Developing players like Schenn and Couturier are particularly susceptible to developmental stagnation or worse in this kind of environment... the heart of the defense has been ripped out and a coach, who is still learning on the job (how to coach in the NHL), is pushing buttons and turning dials and adding his own special brand of bizzaro bench/player management...this doesn't exactly lend itself to young players making short term strides in their game.

Some are looking to move Schenn for some theoretically better (and presumably more expensive) replacement, but let's face it, a decent upgrade there isn't going to be the answer to turn the team around...the aging dead weight (RJ/VLC) needs to be purged and the D needs to transition to a new core...this isn't going to happen overnight.... meanwhile, here's Schenn, a kid with upside giving you .5 pts per game at reasonable money while you wait.

I can absolutely see Brayden Schenn rounding out his game pushing to 60+ points within a few years as the team gets back on course. Couturier too will look much better in that time and by then there will be other guys coming up in the system that will make an impact as well.

We just need to be patient as fans now...and not exert pressure that might possibly see the team trade away young talent for short term gain. There may come a time for that kind of move, when that one piece could put us over the top, but that time is not now.

I'm not saying there can't be a trade involving Schenn or Coots that makes sense to do, even this year, but the mentality of just wanting to part ways with these kids due frustration stemming from the inconsistencies often seen during a young player's development is shortsighted and having that mentality could be very counterproductive to an organization. Thankfully, it seems like Hexy knows the window isn't now, but a little further down the road and that there's probably more risk than reward in giving up on younger, developing guys now just to try and chase near term performance with some supposed upgrade.
- exlund

good to hear from you, exlund

Provorov has been playing with Pilon on the Wheat Kings top pairing this year. It might be cool to get Provorov with the 1st pick and Pilon with the 2nd pick, even though a defenseman named Pilon in Philly is asking for media trouble.

Provorov has been playing with Pilon on the Wheat Kings top pairing this year. It might be cool to get Provorov with the 1st pick and Pilon with the 2nd pick, even though a defenseman named Pilon in Philly is asking for media trouble.
- JAKEw1234

well what's plind gonna do when macdonald gets traded huh?!

Warrantless searches? Confessions? Miranda?

C'mon. Fun stuff.
- 77rams

the first of that trio actually was.

miranda isnt, especially when it comes to Richarderson. basically the court and congress having an alexander semin-esque slap match over authority.

You know what? We should definitely trade Brayden Schenn. Let's trade the young 23 year old center who at least tried to play LW after basically giving away Gagne, van Riemsdyk and Hartnell.

You know what? We should definitely trade Brayden Schenn. Let's trade the young 23 year old center who at least tried to play LW after basically giving away Gagne, van Riemsdyk and Hartnell.
- SuperSchennBros

ok