Oh he didn't make the team? Do you see that as a flag in any way at all? It seems surprising that he wouldn't.
- JAKEw1234

No, Canada has a process they tend to stick to & went back to it for this recent WJC, it was something they got away from for 5 years and it showed.

Pens trade malkin to buffalo for the first overall. Crosby/McDavid
- funmaster18

He'll arguably be the top defenseman available in free agency. The market will be there for him, and unless he wants to sign cheap again somewhere, he'll likely be overpaid. Defenseman are at a premium.
- MJL

No doubt, but will he get more per year then Mike Green? I really don't have an answer. Does Ehrhoff get more then $6 million/yr?

I would be surprised if Hexy brings back the same cast of characters on the blueline next season. Maybe he goes to the scrap heap to find another MDZ.

Pens trade malkin to buffalo for the first overall. Crosby/McDavid
- funmaster18

They ought to look at Florida, if they go that route

The good thing for the pens is they either keep a star player or bring back what would probably be a sweet return. Win/win
- funmaster18

i really dont buy the notion that they cant build a team around them. the cap argument anyway. if someone sees an asset pool that blows them away enough, then fine. id listen. but the offer it would take for me to bite would be unreasonable and unrealistic.

when jake asks for his money pushing 8, should he be jettisoned? chicago with toews and kane? anaheim are right there with their two headed salary behemoth in getz and perry.

letangs deal does complicate things, but it can be done. you just need to be able to hit on the other guys. spend your money wisely. draft well.

but those things apply to pretty much every team. granted, its magnified when you have two 9 million dollar centers, but nonetheless, it still is important for everyone.

They ought to look at Florida, if they go that route
- AllInForFlyers

not that they would necessarily be inclined, but the team that has the pieces that would be able to tempt me that first comes to mind would be St Louis.

Even if Umberger's contract was 2 years, I could understand the trade. After next season, Jake, BSchenn, Couts and Raffl are all due for raises (Coburn was too before the trade). Umberger is still on the books after next season.
- PhillySportsGuy

The problem with the deal at this point is Umberger fell off a Cliff. Hopefully, he can provide some value next season.

i really dont buy the notion that they cant build a team around them. the cap argument anyway. if someone sees an asset pool that blows them away enough, then fine. id listen. but the offer it would take for me to bite would be unreasonable and unrealistic.

when jake asks for his money pushing 8, should he be jettisoned? chicago with toews and kane? anaheim are right there with their two headed salary behemoth in getz and perry.

letangs deal does complicate things, but it can be done. you just need to be able to hit on the other guys. spend your money wisely. draft well.

but those things apply to pretty much every team. granted, its magnified when you have two 9 million dollar centers, but nonetheless, it still is important for everyone.
- stayinthefnnet

It's not that they can't; you absolutely can, though it's harder

The problem is that you guys don't look like you have nearly enough pieces in place to win at the level you want, and by the time you get there in a league with fewer and fewer trades, then the decline sets in

I understand what you're saying; it's not like you have to do anything. But I'd ask Florida for Bjugstad or Barkov and their first, and see what they say

The problem with the deal at this point is Umberger fell off a Cliff. Hopefully, he can provide some value next season.
- jstross

He might have. How else would he get so injured?

No, Canada has a process they tend to stick to & went back to it for this recent WJC, it was something they got away from for 5 years and it showed.
- ob18

Ya I notice now that Strome didn't make it either. They try to stick to veterans then. Do you see Strome or Marner sticking in the NHL right out of the draft?

not that they would necessarily be inclined, but the team that has the pieces that would be able to tempt me that first comes to mind would be St Louis.
- stayinthefnnet

Woof -- Freakorenko with Malkin

Woof, indeed

The problem with the deal at this point is Umberger fell off a Cliff. Hopefully, he can provide some value next season.
- jstross

He really fell off a cliff last year. He piled up a bunch of PPGs that inflated his numbers. His possession numbers were god awful and without top unit PP time, there was every reason to believe his scoring output would suffer drastically.

Ya I notice now that Strome didn't make it either. They try to stick to veterans then. Do you see Strome or Marner sticking in the NHL right out of the draft?
- JAKEw1234

They will have another solid team for next year.

He really fell off a cliff last year. He piled up a bunch of PPGs that inflated his numbers. His possession numbers were god awful and without top unit PP time, there was every reason to believe his scoring output would suffer drastically.
- PhillySportsGuy

I feel like it's weird when people say a players point totals are inflated from power play points. Like, don't those count too? And aren't they just as important?

Woof -- Freakorenko with Malkin

Woof, indeed
- AllInForFlyers

oh no.

tarasenko is what i would want.

a piece like that is what it would take. like i said, i cant see another team doing it.

but thats the price im talking. in this (frank)ed up, offensive drought this league is incurring right now, he is one of maybe 5 guys that you can take to the bank that will be over a PPG.

They will have another solid team for next year.
- ob18

Hopefully with Sanheim and NAK

He really fell off a cliff last year. He piled up a bunch of PPGs that inflated his numbers. His possession numbers were god awful and without top unit PP time, there was every reason to believe his scoring output would suffer drastically.
- PhillySportsGuy

Don't remind me. I hope he's not on Coots' wing next season.

He really fell off a cliff last year. He piled up a bunch of PPGs that inflated his numbers. His possession numbers were god awful and without top unit PP time, there was every reason to believe his scoring output would suffer drastically.
- PhillySportsGuy

yeah. he really was tailing off. they were practically looking to give him away at times. he got a bunch of PPGs in close that really inflated the cursory numbers.

like you said earlier, im not a slave to the advanced stats, but digging a little deeper would have showed a lot of red flags.

Hopefully with Sanheim and NAK
- aflyerpower8

Not sure about NAK but Marner, Strome, probably Crouse again....

Not sure about NAK but Marner, Strome, probably Crouse again....
- ob18

You don't think Crouse is in the NHL next year?

I feel like it's weird when people say a players point totals are inflated from power play points. Like, don't those count too? And aren't they just as important?
- funmaster18

they do, but it needs to be viewed at in context in my opinion.

its a poor reflection of his even ice contributions, which considering he wasnt going to get that role on the PP with the flyers (simmonds is usually that in close guy with the top PP), which would then cause his even ice struggles to be magnified.

You don't think Crouse is in the NHL next year?
- aflyerpower8

He could, but nothing is guaranteed.

they do, but it needs to be viewed at in context in my opinion.

its a poor reflection of his even ice contributions, which considering he wasnt going to get that role on the PP with the flyers (simmonds is usually that in close guy with the top PP), which would then cause his even ice struggles to be magnified.
- stayinthefnnet

What if a player is a good bottom 6 sound defensive player that can produce on the power play? I don't think that's a bad thing. If he's not falling apart next year, I can see him being useful.

Wow, Derek Dorsett got a four year 10.6 million dollar contract

I feel like it's weird when people say a players point totals are inflated from power play points. Like, don't those count too? And aren't they just as important?
- funmaster18

The Flyers reasoning for acquiring Umberger was to improve two-way play at ES.

It's not a bad thing, but the game is won at ES and Umberger was never going to get top line PP time.