The guys who watch the game through stats and analytics hate the Sbisa deal. The fans that view the game by watching the players are ok with it.

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- VANTEL

Kenins or Sven can replace Matthias

In order to analyze the contract of Sbisa we need to look at the actual contract. Since Sbisa was an RFA in order to qualify without arbitration he would have needed a 10% raise. The raise is based on actual salary on the final year of contract and not cap hit. Sbisa made 2.9 last year that means at min 10% raise it would have been 3.19. His actual salary for next year is 3.2. Lets say JB only signed him to 1 year "show me" deal at 3.2, then for next year Sbisa would be at 3.5 and his current salary is 3.6. By the third year he would have become a UFA coming off a 3.5 cap hit looking for a raise. In 2 years time lets say the cap only goes up by 5 mil. That would mean Sbisa would have garnered well over 4 in the free market in year 2017/18. but is currently signed for 4 mil. This is a gamble from JB who knows the UFA market is bloated and Canucks current cupboard for D is bare. Could he have gotten another D with the same skill set at the age of just 24 for 3.1 next year? The answer to that question is absolutely not.
I am not a fan of this signing but coming from an auditing background I like to analyze and see more then what the numbers show and I feel I should change my initial reaction and see this signing as a good investment.
- Linden_4_Capt

Well put.
I just had a brief look at UFA/RFA Dmen for next year....fairly slim pickings for players under 30, which emphasises the importance of locking up Sbisa now.
As an aside. Who is John Klingberg and how do we convince the Stars to let us take him off of their hands???

In order to analyze the contract of Sbisa we need to look at the actual contract. Since Sbisa was an RFA in order to qualify without arbitration he would have needed a 10% raise. The raise is based on actual salary on the final year of contract and not cap hit. Sbisa made 2.9 last year that means at min 10% raise it would have been 3.19. His actual salary for next year is 3.2. Lets say JB only signed him to 1 year "show me" deal at 3.2, then for next year Sbisa would be at 3.5 and his current salary is 3.6. By the third year he would have become a UFA coming off a 3.5 cap hit looking for a raise. In 2 years time lets say the cap only goes up by 5 mil. That would mean Sbisa would have garnered well over 4 in the free market in year 2017/18. but is currently signed for 4 mil. This is a gamble from JB who knows the UFA market is bloated and Canucks current cupboard for D is bare. Could he have gotten another D with the same skill set at the age of just 24 for 3.1 next year? The answer to that question is absolutely not.
I am not a fan of this signing but coming from an auditing background I like to analyze and see more then what the numbers show and I feel I should change my initial reaction and see this signing as a good investment.
- Linden_4_Capt

We win! we win! our side wins.

Kenins or Sven can replace Matthias
- A_SteamingLombardi

if sven/kennis put in 20 goals next year I would be shocked. No way they replace what Matthias brings to the table.

if sven/kennis put in 20 goals next year I would be shocked. No way they replace what Matthias brings to the table.
- dbot

I'd be shocked if Matthias gets 20 next year, he won't even get it this year.

Rather than try to justify (or trash) the signing, would it not be better to ask "What is the GM seeing that justifies $3.6M to Sbisa" This is not a rhetorical question, the deal actually happened (as we all know). So what is it that the professional GM knows that we can learn from him?
- Lostinarink

Can we also mention that Sbisa played most of his minutes this year with Dmen playing worse than him? When the D was all healthy early on it was Sbisa-Weber, and lately its been Sbisa-Bieksa, not exactly the partners I would be hoping for

EDIT:
This link has a solid breakdown of his usage: http://leftwinglock.com/l...player1=Luca+Sbisa&flag=y
Hard to keep pucks out of your net when 16% of your season is spent with AHL calibre players, and 33% with Bieksa

if sven/kennis put in 20 goals next year I would be shocked. No way they replace what Matthias brings to the table.
- dbot

Mathias reminds me of Damien Brunner. Fluke year and will want to capitalize. I have a feeling Florida or NJ will offer something stupid and then try and trade at TDL.

I'd be shocked if Matthias gets 20 next year, he won't even get it this year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Alright. 18 then.
My point is I don't think Kennis/Sven are ready to replace the 2nd/3rd line hole that Matthias will leave next year. I'd like to re-up Matthias for the right price, but hopefully JB has something else in mind.

Can we also mention that Sbisa played most of his minutes this year with Dmen playing worse than him? When the D was all healthy early on it was Sbisa-Weber, and lately its been Sbisa-Bieksa, not exactly the partners I would be hoping for

EDIT:
This link has a solid breakdown of his usage: http://leftwinglock.com/l...player1=Luca+Sbisa&flag=y
Hard to keep pucks out of your net when 16% of your season is spent with AHL calibre players, and 33% with Bieksa
- WhiteLie

Most of us already knew that. Bieksa is king of the pinch and leaving his partner defending a 2 on 1 because of his untimely pinches.

Alright. 18 then.
My point is I don't think Kennis/Sven are ready to replace the 2nd/3rd line hole that Matthias will leave next year. I'd like to re-up Matthias for the right price, but hopefully JB has something else in mind.
- dbot

How about we see how he performs in the playoffs first.

Tonight would be an awesome pub night with the games going on and the great playoff race...not to mention it's my daughters birthday

Damn I can't wait to retire!!!

The guys who watch the game as well as using the information gathered through stats and analytics hate the Sbisa deal. The fans that view the game by watching the players are ok with it.
- VANTEL

Fixed

In order to analyze the contract of Sbisa we need to look at the actual contract. Since Sbisa was an RFA in order to qualify without arbitration he would have needed a 10% raise. The raise is based on actual salary on the final year of contract and not cap hit. Sbisa made 2.9 last year that means at min 10% raise it would have been 3.19. His actual salary for next year is 3.2. Lets say JB only signed him to 1 year "show me" deal at 3.2, then for next year Sbisa would be at 3.5 and his current salary is 3.6. By the third year he would have become a UFA coming off a 3.5 cap hit looking for a raise. In 2 years time lets say the cap only goes up by 5 mil. That would mean Sbisa would have garnered well over 4 in the free market in year 2017/18. but is currently signed for 4 mil. This is a gamble from JB who knows the UFA market is bloated and Canucks current cupboard for D is bare. Could he have gotten another D with the same skill set at the age of just 24 for 3.1 next year? The answer to that question is absolutely not.
I am not a fan of this signing but coming from an auditing background I like to analyze and see more then what the numbers show and I feel I should change my initial reaction and see this signing as a good investment.
- Linden_4_Capt

Good post, I think that is a very reasonable explanation for the dollar value of the contract.

The guys who watch the game through stats and analytics hate the Sbisa deal. The fans that view the game by watching the players are ok with it.
- VANTEL

You can do both, that's what every GM does.

Fixed
- belcherbd

Yup.

How about we see how he performs in the playoffs first.
- hertzman

ok

Can we also mention that Sbisa played most of his minutes this year with Dmen playing worse than him? When the D was all healthy early on it was Sbisa-Weber, and lately its been Sbisa-Bieksa, not exactly the partners I would be hoping for

EDIT:
This link has a solid breakdown of his usage: http://leftwinglock.com/l...player1=Luca+Sbisa&flag=y
Hard to keep pucks out of your net when 16% of your season is spent with AHL calibre players, and 33% with Bieksa
- WhiteLie

And yet of them allow less goals and shots when they're on the ice...

if sven/kennis put in 20 goals next year I would be shocked. No way they replace what Matthias brings to the table.
- dbot

I'd bet anyone here Matthias doesn't score 20 next year unless he ends up playing with Henrik Sedin or some other elite playmaker.

Tonight would be an awesome pub night with the games going on and the great playoff race...not to mention it's my daughters birthday

Damn I can't wait to retire!!!
- LeftCoaster

Call in sick tomorrow...

How about we see how he performs in the playoffs first.
- hertzman

He's disappeared lately when the team's played some playoff-like games. I don't view that as him being a guy who sucks in big games though, that's just his sh% coming back down to earth just like Bonino early, Kenins when he came up and even for Bo after his hot streak.


Apologize in advance for using math.

And yet of them allow less goals and shots when they're on the ice...
- Nucker101

What does that have to do with hitting... I mean playing defense?

The guys who watch the game through stats and analytics hate the Sbisa deal. The fans that view the game by watching the players are ok with it.
- VANTEL

Yep.

What does that have to do with hitting... I mean playing defense?
- belcherbd

Biega could replace Sbisa.

I'd bet anyone here Matthias doesn't score 20 next year unless he ends up playing with Henrik Sedin or some other elite playmaker.
- Nucker101

I don't want to come off as some huge fan of Matthias, but he did put up nearly 20 (18) playing with who? Richardson and Bonino for most of the year. Not bad is all i'm saying and more difficult to replace than merely expecting a rookie to fill that hole (assuming he moves on).